Parking in a disabled space when a car park is full
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Narcisus said:
Jaguar steve said:
Get real. It's a serious attitude problem. 
My Old Chap had his right leg amputated above his knee and reconstructive surgery on his left foot after the aircraft he was flying was hit hard by AA fire and he crash landed on fire it near the Rhine in '45. That left him crippled for life. My MiL is in constant pain and riddled with arthritis and needs a frame to hobble any distance. Two of my nephews have level 3 autism (the highest) and are difficult to manage and highly unpredictable.
These are the people disabled parking spaces are for and not some healthy able bodied lazy selfish arse who can't be bothered to walk a few more metres.
<whoooosh>My Old Chap had his right leg amputated above his knee and reconstructive surgery on his left foot after the aircraft he was flying was hit hard by AA fire and he crash landed on fire it near the Rhine in '45. That left him crippled for life. My MiL is in constant pain and riddled with arthritis and needs a frame to hobble any distance. Two of my nephews have level 3 autism (the highest) and are difficult to manage and highly unpredictable.
These are the people disabled parking spaces are for and not some healthy able bodied lazy selfish arse who can't be bothered to walk a few more metres.
I wouldn't park in a disabled bay as I figured I'm not disabled nor an arse and I won't use a Parent & Child space if I don't have the wee man with me. Even if I do have him, I tend to park elsewhere more so if there's only a couple of bays left as I figure I'm probably more capable of getting a toddler out the car and across the car park than say an 8 month pregnant lady who's also wrestling a couple of toddlers.
What does rile me slightly are those who park in disabled bays and yet "appear" perfectly capable... and so we await the "not all disabilities are visible" argument which I get, but I always felt that bigger bay, nearer the store were intended for those with motability issues. Much in the same way that most shops offer wheelchairs or electric buggies for those who struggle to get around. I don't think you should help yourself to one of those to scoot round the beer isle just because wee k8-lyn has ADHD or something. But, it happens a lot and my local council spec store with it's numerous disable bays always seem to be used by those who appear in fine fettle.
It's a touchy subject, more so in the snowflake / lets all be offended easily world in which we live but it really just comes down to being a decent, considerate human and a disability, lack of or your desire to reproduce shouldn't change that frankly. It really comes down to physical ability and thus, there are provisions made for those who aren't as able and need a little bit more space / a shorter walk. If you and I are fortunate enough not to need such provisions, we should be decent humans and leave them for those who do.
What does rile me slightly are those who park in disabled bays and yet "appear" perfectly capable... and so we await the "not all disabilities are visible" argument which I get, but I always felt that bigger bay, nearer the store were intended for those with motability issues. Much in the same way that most shops offer wheelchairs or electric buggies for those who struggle to get around. I don't think you should help yourself to one of those to scoot round the beer isle just because wee k8-lyn has ADHD or something. But, it happens a lot and my local council spec store with it's numerous disable bays always seem to be used by those who appear in fine fettle.
It's a touchy subject, more so in the snowflake / lets all be offended easily world in which we live but it really just comes down to being a decent, considerate human and a disability, lack of or your desire to reproduce shouldn't change that frankly. It really comes down to physical ability and thus, there are provisions made for those who aren't as able and need a little bit more space / a shorter walk. If you and I are fortunate enough not to need such provisions, we should be decent humans and leave them for those who do.
JimSuperSix said:
Disabilities are not a life choice, children are. I have no issue with people "misusing" the parent and child spaces, especially if the rest are full, but improperly parking in a disabled space is a total no-no in my book.
I've never really understood this attitude (and it usually appears at some point when the topic of supermarket parking spaces comes up!). It's OK to show one group of people a lack of courtesy, so long as you take the moral high ground with another?
g3org3y said:
Pica-Pica said:
Sheepshanks said:
Hol said:
meatballs said:
Best entertainment is when some doddery old gentleman, who probably can't even make out the markings, parks in the busy parent and child bays when the disabled bays are all free. Queue wrath of the mums.
Can’t say I have ever seen that occur in reality.Tesco refer to them as 'Parent and Child' spaces.
A 1st world/modern problem,
They didn't have these spaces when many grew up. And with 99% of supermarkets, if you go out of peak hours, you can park towards the end with space around you.
And as a parent, I can tell you that often the parent & child spaces are full (probably 7 in 10 visits to my local Tesco all would taken) and you get on with it just fine.
Should make them just for kids under 4.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 14th December 16:42
mike80 said:
I've never really understood this attitude (and it usually appears at some point when the topic of supermarket parking spaces comes up!). It's OK to show one group of people a lack of courtesy, so long as you take the moral high ground with another?
Arrogance. Sadly a trait many possess.
Probably the same ones who'd be livid if some poor soul knocked their car whilst trying their hardest to get a baby carrier or excitable toddler out in a confined space or the same types who'd be chastising anybody who dared venture in to a parent and child space if their wife / partner / husband was trying to find a suitable space for them and their offspring.
meatballs said:
You goto a tourist attraction, there's limited parking and the only bays free are disabled - people won't be returning for a number of hours. There's no alternative parking in a reasonable distance (couple of miles).
Does a blue bade holder, that may or may not visit, have more of a right to be able to visit the attraction for leisure than someone else? It's different from the supermarket/doctors surgery as it's purely a visit for pleasure rather than necessity.
Sod's Law - Just as you park up in that last disabled space, the car behind you that wanted to park there too has a dying cancer kid in it. Does a blue bade holder, that may or may not visit, have more of a right to be able to visit the attraction for leisure than someone else? It's different from the supermarket/doctors surgery as it's purely a visit for pleasure rather than necessity.
hyphen said:
Should make them just for kids under 4.
The argument would be that little people who can't get out without help from an adult in turn usually need a little space and those who can clamber out unaided may do with a bit over-enthusiasm and inadvertently ding the car next door... however, said children should be educated to be careful or wait until Mum or Dad (or Mum and Mum / Dad and Dad / etc etc) are outside to supervise. Edited by hyphen on Saturday 14th December 16:42
In my experience, it's not the kids that need educated nor taught to be respectful and careful... it's the parents. I found this to my cost as one delightful couple exited their i30 with her smacking the door in to the flawless panel on mine. "It's just an old car" she sneered as she walked away. They weren't council or any other stereotype... just a pair of ignorant b
ds. But I digress and yes, I agree that once children get a bit more able they don't really need as much space... but there we are back to the same word word. Able. If you're able, you probably don't need more space to get in and out a car but if you're less able you do. It's fairly simple but some just don't or won't accept that which is the bigger issue I fear.
Despite parking away from said spaces, even with my little boy with me... twice I've had to move the car before I could get him in after somebody turned up after me and parked reasonably close. Not that easy to lift an infant carrier or indeed, a toddler up and into the car / car seats without opening the door a bit more than you would for an older child or indeed an adult. I once had had to open the boot, put him in there in his baby seat (it's an estate!) then reverse back so the back door was clear of the space, then put him in the back seat simply because there wasn't space to get him in... so add that to a parent who perhaps isn't as careful or considerate and there's a dent in your door for your troubles.
But it's cool, because your man earlier who doesn't have an issue parking in the Parent and Child spaces has potentially created that issue... but he doesn't care, his car is dent free. But he's also selfish, but he doesn't care about that either.
Edited by Davie on Saturday 14th December 17:12
hyphen said:
g3org3y said:
Pica-Pica said:
Sheepshanks said:
Hol said:
meatballs said:
Best entertainment is when some doddery old gentleman, who probably can't even make out the markings, parks in the busy parent and child bays when the disabled bays are all free. Queue wrath of the mums.
Can’t say I have ever seen that occur in reality.Tesco refer to them as 'Parent and Child' spaces.
A 1st world/modern problem,
They didn't have these spaces when many grew up. And with 99% of supermarkets, if you go out of peak hours, you can park towards the end with space around you.
And as a parent, I can tell you that often the parent & child spaces are full (probably 7 in 10 visits to my local Tesco all would taken) and you get on with it just fine.
Should make them just for kids under 4.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 14th December 16:42
I totally understand why supermarkets have them. Need to cater for your target market.
mike80 said:
JimSuperSix said:
Disabilities are not a life choice, children are. I have no issue with people "misusing" the parent and child spaces, especially if the rest are full, but improperly parking in a disabled space is a total no-no in my book.
I've never really understood this attitude (and it usually appears at some point when the topic of supermarket parking spaces comes up!). It's OK to show one group of people a lack of courtesy, so long as you take the moral high ground with another?g3org3y said:
hyphen said:
g3org3y said:
Pica-Pica said:
Sheepshanks said:
Hol said:
meatballs said:
Best entertainment is when some doddery old gentleman, who probably can't even make out the markings, parks in the busy parent and child bays when the disabled bays are all free. Queue wrath of the mums.
Can’t say I have ever seen that occur in reality.Tesco refer to them as 'Parent and Child' spaces.
A 1st world/modern problem,
They didn't have these spaces when many grew up. And with 99% of supermarkets, if you go out of peak hours, you can park towards the end with space around you.
And as a parent, I can tell you that often the parent & child spaces are full (probably 7 in 10 visits to my local Tesco all would taken) and you get on with it just fine.
Should make them just for kids under 4.
Edited by hyphen on Saturday 14th December 16:42
I totally understand why supermarkets have them. Need to cater for your target market.
Second Best said:
Today, after work, I visited my local express. It's got a small car park with about 12 spaces, plus 2 disabled. When I visited, the car park was full and the only spaces available were the 2 disabled ones. I did a lap of the car park to see if anybody was leaving, but no luck. I noticed an employee chatting to a security guard not far from the disabled spaces, so I parked in one, got out of my car and asked if I could actually park in one seeing as there weren't any other spaces available. I was told no, it's "illegal" and to find somewhere else to park or I'd get a ticket.
I did another lap of the car park, no joy, so went to the local Waitrose which had a more reasonably sized car park. No big deal, and in fairness Waitrose were doing a surprisingly cheap deal on what I wanted (12 Heinekens for £8.80!) so it was a blessing in disguise. However it got me thinking as I was driving home - are disabled spaces only usable by disabled folks, even if the other spaces are full?
Just to explain, I have no problem with disabled spaces and would never park in one out of sheer laziness, but is the expectation that if no generic spaces are available, then the car park is only for disabled people?
Just read this, easy I think, put yourself in a disabled drivers position, you have no qualms for those spaces being taken by other blue badge holders, but you find them taken by able bodied drivers, you are screwed.I did another lap of the car park, no joy, so went to the local Waitrose which had a more reasonably sized car park. No big deal, and in fairness Waitrose were doing a surprisingly cheap deal on what I wanted (12 Heinekens for £8.80!) so it was a blessing in disguise. However it got me thinking as I was driving home - are disabled spaces only usable by disabled folks, even if the other spaces are full?
Just to explain, I have no problem with disabled spaces and would never park in one out of sheer laziness, but is the expectation that if no generic spaces are available, then the car park is only for disabled people?
trackdemon said:
Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?
Not everybody has the option to drop kick the kids to Granny / next doors drunk uncle / the expensive au pair whilst they wander off down to Tesco... it's a chore that I'm sure many would rather avoid but sometimes it's unavoidable and so when you get there it's definitely beneficial to be able to open the door far enough to get them out the car. Seemingly people get rather upset if you leave a baby in the car whilst you nip in for a few crates of red. People also get rather upset if you put a dent in their car door, even if it was unintentional. I think the only thing OP did wrong was to ask if he could park there, I wouldn't have, even if you were told you could sod's law would dictate that when you came out other places would be free and you would get an earful from someone for parking in the disabled spot.
About a year ago I had a row with a young lady who decided to park in the disabled spot at our local supermarket despite the fact that there were other spaces which would have meant an extra walk of about 10 yards. I knew she wasn't disabled as she was my step daughter!
About a year ago I had a row with a young lady who decided to park in the disabled spot at our local supermarket despite the fact that there were other spaces which would have meant an extra walk of about 10 yards. I knew she wasn't disabled as she was my step daughter!
Generally the spaces are too small, particularly if you have a 3 door car or something like a Boxster.
I just park miles away if I can. I also, to dissuade the people that always want to park next to you in the far away corner of a quiet car park, park the car at an angle in the space. I'm not over the lines, but it adds a bit of parking difficulty to the numpty that wants to be your new car park buddy and hopefully makes them find a different target.
On the other hand, I still get parked next to, but at exactly the same angle as I have parked. They clearly use my car as their aiming reference, parking the standard 18 inches away, but parallel to my skewed car.
I dislike spending money on fixing door dents as a result of other peoples incompetence.
I just park miles away if I can. I also, to dissuade the people that always want to park next to you in the far away corner of a quiet car park, park the car at an angle in the space. I'm not over the lines, but it adds a bit of parking difficulty to the numpty that wants to be your new car park buddy and hopefully makes them find a different target.
On the other hand, I still get parked next to, but at exactly the same angle as I have parked. They clearly use my car as their aiming reference, parking the standard 18 inches away, but parallel to my skewed car.
I dislike spending money on fixing door dents as a result of other peoples incompetence.
trackdemon said:
Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?
Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.
DoubleD said:
trackdemon said:
Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?
Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.
Neither of my parents drove.
Full of assumptions, aren't you
trackdemon said:
DoubleD said:
trackdemon said:
Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?
Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.
Neither of my parents drove.
Full of assumptions, aren't you
Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.
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