Parking in a disabled space when a car park is full

[anonymous-user]

hyphen said:

kambites said:

hyphen said:

Disabled spaces are for those that need to be nearer to the shop entrance, not for people taking a bit longer to exit their car!!

Well it's sort of both. They're larger than normal spaces to make vehicle access easier for people who have impaired movement; there are disabled people who can walk fine but have serious problems getting in and out of a car.

He could have gone at anytime outside peak hours and parked with lots of spaces around him, or next to a pillar etc. And walked his lazy ass to the shop

He says his hands were damaged, yet good enough to drive, fill-up a full trolley of heavy items and move it around.Man Flue version of a disability

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 14th December 11:43

Both my hands were in the modern version of casts. Velcro adjustable braces.
I had an Auto Disco. Piss easy to drive with hands in braces.
I'd been at home for days and days and the shopping wasn't coming to me (Internet supermarket shopping hadn't been invented).
The only way I could open the door easily, and close it, was to kick it or use my elbow. I didn't want to damage cars next to me (Parent and child spaces were also not a thing at that time).
So I parked in a disabled bay. I felt bloody disabled, I can tell you. And it was a PH disability - high sided my super moto on London Bridge :-)

Wasnt' anything to do with distance to the shop - was about not messing up other people's cars.

[Europa1]

Sheepshanks said:

In a situation where there's no other parking, why shouldn't equality kick in here and the disabled person find somewhere else to shop?

Please tell me you are joking.

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

But they didnt' exist, and guess what, they managed just fine.

P&C spaces are a sales tactic by supermarkets to encourage the key spenders (Mothers) to come to them.

I leave them be, but if the car park is full, they are fair game. I'm spending the same money there as everyone else. And no, I don't have kids.

[Gad-Westy]

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Privilege? An unfair advantage In the great fight to be closest to the door?!

Their use is that they allow for easy opening of car doors and generally have far safer routes to and from the shop's entrance. It's hardly a lottery win, just a little extra help for those that can benefit from it more than you. It's courtesy, nothing more.

[Gad-Westy]

Davie said:

The argument would be that little people who can't get out without help from an adult in turn usually need a little space and those who can clamber out unaided may do with a bit over-enthusiasm and inadvertently ding the car next door... however, said children should be educated to be careful or wait until Mum or Dad (or Mum and Mum / Dad and Dad / etc etc) are outside to supervise.
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I get what you're saying and that is always the objective but education of kids is a long process not an instant one. They are daft and remain daft for a very long time.

[Europa1]

Pica-Pica said:

Trespass has to cause some damage or loss to the land owner.

You may want to check that.

[DoubleD]

RogerDodger said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

But they didnt' exist, and guess what, they managed just fine.

P&C spaces are a sales tactic by supermarkets to encourage the key spenders (Mothers) to come to them.

I leave them be, but if the car park is full, they are fair game. I'm spending the same money there as everyone else. And no, I don't have kids.

They did manage as cars years ago were smaller.

What is wrong with a supermarket helping its customers?

Whats wrong with helping to make others lives that little bit easier?

[Gad-Westy]

DoubleD said:

RogerDodger said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

But they didnt' exist, and guess what, they managed just fine.

P&C spaces are a sales tactic by supermarkets to encourage the key spenders (Mothers) to come to them.

I leave them be, but if the car park is full, they are fair game. I'm spending the same money there as everyone else. And no, I don't have kids.

They did manage as cars years ago were smaller.

What is wrong with a supermarket helping its customers?

Whats wrong with helping to make others lives that little bit easier?

Also worth mentioning that child set regulations have changed an awful lot over the years. Rear facing seats in particular make narrow spaces a real challenge.

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

Where did I say on their own?

Neither of my parents drove.

Full of assumptions, aren't you

A bit like you assuming that its easy for people to leave kids behind.

Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.

Shop online and have it delivered then, much less hassle than dragging the children to the supermarket.

[DoubleD]

JimSuperSix said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

Where did I say on their own?

Neither of my parents drove.

Full of assumptions, aren't you

A bit like you assuming that its easy for people to leave kids behind.

Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.

Shop online and have it delivered then, much less hassle than dragging the children to the supermarket.

Maybe they don't want to shop online.

[stuartmmcfc]

DoubleD said:

Maybe they don't want to shop online.

Yes!
I usually shop on line for my grocery’s and the delivery driver, who is only there for a couple of minutes, can be the only person I see all day.
Today I went to Tescos with the wife and even though it was heaving, and we struggled to find a disabled spot, it was great. So nice to actually see and talk to other people.
If I was at home with the kids all day (I used to be) I’d take them (and did) to the Supermarket!

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

JimSuperSix said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

Where did I say on their own?

Neither of my parents drove.

Full of assumptions, aren't you

A bit like you assuming that its easy for people to leave kids behind.

Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.

Shop online and have it delivered then, much less hassle than dragging the children to the supermarket.

Maybe they don't want to shop online.

Oh well in that case of course they should get a special space near the door.

[Gad-Westy]

JimSuperSix said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

Where did I say on their own?

Neither of my parents drove.

Full of assumptions, aren't you

A bit like you assuming that its easy for people to leave kids behind.

Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.

Shop online and have it delivered then, much less hassle than dragging the children to the supermarket.

Does that apply to disabled too? Much less hassle after all.

[DoubleD]

JimSuperSix said:

DoubleD said:

JimSuperSix said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

Where did I say on their own?

Neither of my parents drove.

Full of assumptions, aren't you

A bit like you assuming that its easy for people to leave kids behind.

Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.

Shop online and have it delivered then, much less hassle than dragging the children to the supermarket.

Maybe they don't want to shop online.

Oh well in that case of course they should get a special space near the door.

Yep

[anonymous-user]

DoubleD said:

RogerDodger said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

But they didnt' exist, and guess what, they managed just fine.

P&C spaces are a sales tactic by supermarkets to encourage the key spenders (Mothers) to come to them.

I leave them be, but if the car park is full, they are fair game. I'm spending the same money there as everyone else. And no, I don't have kids.

They did manage as cars years ago were smaller.

What is wrong with a supermarket helping its customers?

Whats wrong with helping to make others lives that little bit easier?

Nothing wrong with it. It's business. And I will, as said, leave them unless forced. But, if the car park is full, as happened to me at Waitrose two days ago, then I'll use a parent & child space. Why on earth should I turn around and go to another supermarket so someone who decided to have kids doesn't have to?

I'll repeat - they are there for a very specific reason. Supermarkets make more money by having them, and on that basis, no one has the right to wave the shame bell at me. I use them when I have to. And I'm a very helpful person generally.

Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 14th December 20:05

[trackdemon]

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

DoubleD said:

trackdemon said:

Isn't it quite easy? If kids are a problem at the supermarket, don't take them. If you do, why should you get extra privilege because you procreated?

Yeah, just leave them at home on there own. Like you say, easy.

I bet your parents would have used a parent and child space if they had existed.

Where did I say on their own?

Neither of my parents drove.

Full of assumptions, aren't you

A bit like you assuming that its easy for people to leave kids behind.

Well I assume that if your parents were able to drive then I assume that they would of used a parent and child space if they existed.

It isn't? Unless you're a single parent with no family/friends, it's pretty easy. Or you can get it delivered. If you *must* take them, shops are open late, car parks are much quieter after 9pm. I still don't see a reason for the privilege of special parking just because you've shat out a mini me

[stuartmmcfc]

RogerDodger said:

no one has the right to wave the shame bell at me. I use them when I have to. And I'm a very helpful person generally.

Edited by RogerDodger on Saturday 14th December 20:05

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Saturday 14th December 20:16

[Vipers]

I wonder if those who park in disabled spaces, are the same ones around my way who when visiting the Co-Op park across dropped kerbs for mobility scooters etc, and also DYL's because its the shortest walk to the shop door.

One guy couldnt access the dropped kerb because of it so I enquired in the shop who had parked outside on the dropped kerb as a guy in his mobility scooter couldnt cross the road.

A rather FB said as he stood in the queu "Its me, wont be long".............................selfish centered ignorant barstewards for want of another word.

[g3org3y]

trackdemon said:

It isn't? Unless you're a single parent with no family/friends, it's pretty easy. Or you can get it delivered. If you *must* take them, shops are open late, car parks are much quieter after 9pm. I still don't see a reason for the privilege of special parking just because you've shat out a mini me

Why do you begrudge it so much?

Supermarkets aren't stupid. They know who is spending the big bucks. The spaces do make install/removal of baby seats a lot easier. It helps parents and I don't think this is a bad thing at all.

Anyway, you want parents to be parking there away from your pride and joy which they are (or their kids are) more likely to open a door into.

[meatballs]

stuartmmcfc said:

Edited by stuartmmcfc on Saturday 14th December 20:16

Additionally it's good to take kids shopping to expose them to the social environment and educational opportunities.

But I do like the earlier argument someone said about "my money being as good as anyone elses" because if you apply that logic to the disabled spots, rather than just p&c, you would come across as a massive prick.