YouTube vlogger accident.
Discussion
andrewparker said:
Ah, the old "PCP = s
t driver" argument. Doesn't it get a bit embarrassing spouting that crap all the time?
The method of purchasing/owning/using/whatever your car certainly doesn’t affect your driving skill, but PCPing an M4, modifying it (in breach of contract), publicising said mods while making no attempt to hide your or the cars identities, and then being confused when BMW do you for breaching your contract does reflect rather poorly on one’s intellect. And intellect often does correspond to driving skill, or at least the likelihood of vastly exceeding the limits of your skill...t driver" argument. Doesn't it get a bit embarrassing spouting that crap all the time?Zarco said:
NickGRhodes said:
I wonder if perhaps all the modifications, power/torque, stiff suspension, brakes, low profile tyres etc prevent the driver aids working correctly/effectively (if enabled), I wonder if its something people who modify cars test ?
Nah, I think you're just going faster when the laws of physics cannot be overcome by the driver aids. Years ago I read (I think CCC magazine) about some testing John Cleland was doing in the BTCC Cavalier and they found that they were getting quicker laptimes with the smaller wheels because they were riding the bumps better in/out of corners, the bigger wheels, lower profile tyres were actually bouncing a little and not gripping at much. The only reason they opted for the bigger wheels was for the bigger brake required to last a race.
Wills2 said:
Mastodon2 said:
The car lost control? What a mug.
Indeed. As has been said already, he wasn't driving, and I suspect he's very tactfully trying to avoid placing blame on someone publicly, which I think is a very gentlemanly (and legally correct) thing to do.
Zarco said:
NickGRhodes said:
I wonder if perhaps all the modifications, power/torque, stiff suspension, brakes, low profile tyres etc prevent the driver aids working correctly/effectively (if enabled), I wonder if its something people who modify cars test ?
Nah, I think you're just going faster when the laws of physics cannot be overcome by the driver aids. As I said, I'm not commenting on this accident itself, just a general point that Nick is correct in what he says above.
Its almost like fighter planes are these days, in that they are designed to the point where they are unflyable without several computers monitoring, interpreting and translating pilot inputs into validated commands to the flight surfaces that fit in with the flight envelope, just to unstable and the workload to high for a human.
Its not quite the same but there do seem to be parallels, of course in the past we all generally managed without cars having ESP and all the other plethora of systems, realistically a 1980 Cortina 1.6L didnt need massive computing power to keep on the road if you had half a brain and the idea that if you went too fast you will probably leave the road. With 70 or so bhp and 165, 70 13 tyres things didnt happen quite so fast.
Stuff like the Cortina was what most people drove, the nearest to a powerful SUV was a classic Range Rover, equipped with a mighty 150 bhp ish (on a good day once fuel injected, early ones were like 130) Rover V8 and they werent really much faster than the Cortina. There were fast cars of course but they were few and far between and generally people had gone through the ranks and got some experience before they got say a Jag XJ12. Do well as a young lad in the eighties and you could get your mitts on all manner of fast hatches, all of which had between 150 and about 140 bhp
Fast forward to now, if you can raise 6 grand as a deposit and can spare £600 odd a month, a fair chunk but a possibility for a lot more people, based on maybe having a high income or just low outgoings on a lower salary. not making a comment, just an observation.
these cars have all the tech, four times the power of an original Range Rover, massive grip and performance to humble a supercar from back in the eighties.
I suspect in normal use, an X4M is safer than older cars, but always have to remember the faster you go, the further you are on your own with physics, turn off the driver aids and you are at the mercy of the vehicle dynamics which will have very high limits but when it does let go, it does it in a big way.
100 mph takes 9 seconds or so, and requires you to just press the pedal on the right and hold it there, 100 mph back in the eighties, for most drivers was a rare event that involved a hill and a following wind, in the modern stuff like this its a flex of the right foot away.
Its not quite the same but there do seem to be parallels, of course in the past we all generally managed without cars having ESP and all the other plethora of systems, realistically a 1980 Cortina 1.6L didnt need massive computing power to keep on the road if you had half a brain and the idea that if you went too fast you will probably leave the road. With 70 or so bhp and 165, 70 13 tyres things didnt happen quite so fast.
Stuff like the Cortina was what most people drove, the nearest to a powerful SUV was a classic Range Rover, equipped with a mighty 150 bhp ish (on a good day once fuel injected, early ones were like 130) Rover V8 and they werent really much faster than the Cortina. There were fast cars of course but they were few and far between and generally people had gone through the ranks and got some experience before they got say a Jag XJ12. Do well as a young lad in the eighties and you could get your mitts on all manner of fast hatches, all of which had between 150 and about 140 bhp
Fast forward to now, if you can raise 6 grand as a deposit and can spare £600 odd a month, a fair chunk but a possibility for a lot more people, based on maybe having a high income or just low outgoings on a lower salary. not making a comment, just an observation.
these cars have all the tech, four times the power of an original Range Rover, massive grip and performance to humble a supercar from back in the eighties.
I suspect in normal use, an X4M is safer than older cars, but always have to remember the faster you go, the further you are on your own with physics, turn off the driver aids and you are at the mercy of the vehicle dynamics which will have very high limits but when it does let go, it does it in a big way.
100 mph takes 9 seconds or so, and requires you to just press the pedal on the right and hold it there, 100 mph back in the eighties, for most drivers was a rare event that involved a hill and a following wind, in the modern stuff like this its a flex of the right foot away.
RobM77 said:
Wills2 said:
Mastodon2 said:
The car lost control? What a mug.
Indeed. As has been said already, he wasn't driving, and I suspect he's very tactfully trying to avoid placing blame on someone publicly, which I think is a very gentlemanly (and legally correct) thing to do.
Lets just be thankful it was them pair that were injured and not any one innocently in the same vicinity, minding there own business when the pilot oh sorry the "car" lost control of its self. (in his words)
cossy400 said:
RobM77 said:
Wills2 said:
Mastodon2 said:
The car lost control? What a mug.
Indeed. As has been said already, he wasn't driving, and I suspect he's very tactfully trying to avoid placing blame on someone publicly, which I think is a very gentlemanly (and legally correct) thing to do.
All I was commenting on was people trolling the poor guy when he's in hospital after an enormous car accident; that's the lowest of the low and subverts any standards of decency. The quote "the car lost control" could be taken in any number of ways - the trolls/bullies above have deliberately taken it to mean a certain thing (removal of blame on the driver) so they can put the boot in. Many people might say such a phrase as a generic description of any car sliding out of control, regardless of who/what/why. Can we expect his wording to be pixel perfect when he's injured and in a state of shock? The truth is that we don't know what happened, and it's completely inappropriate to be talking like that about someone who's just suffered serious injuries.
Yes, it is very fortunate that an innocent person or people weren't caught up in this, but that is not an excuse to make posts like the above (and others); that's just childish and inappropriate.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 24th December 13:58
RobM77 said:
cossy400 said:
RobM77 said:
Wills2 said:
Mastodon2 said:
The car lost control? What a mug.
Indeed. As has been said already, he wasn't driving, and I suspect he's very tactfully trying to avoid placing blame on someone publicly, which I think is a very gentlemanly (and legally correct) thing to do.
All I was commenting on was people trolling the poor guy when he's in hospital after an enormous car accident; that's the lowest of the low and subverts any standards of decency. The quote "the car lost control" could be taken in any number of ways - the trolls/bullies above have deliberately taken it to mean a certain thing (removal of blame on the driver) so they can put the boot in. Many people might say such a phrase as a generic description of any car sliding out of control, regardless of who/what/why. Can we expect his wording to be pixel perfect when he's injured and in a state of shock? The truth is that we don't know what happened, and it's completely inappropriate to be talking like that about someone who's just suffered serious injuries.
Yes, it is very fortunate that an innocent person or people weren't caught up in this, but that is not an excuse to make posts like the above (and others); that's just childish and inappropriate.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 24th December 13:58
Lets not detract from the fact that this is what his videos are about like LLF Gass Gang etc to name a few.
If you ve watched the video i posted earlier then you ll be able to see how they provoked the car on track, they were not out for a sunday stroll.
People will and can defend him all they like, it was going to happen eventually and LLF commenting on his hospital video saying we should slow down abit of what ever he said just goes to show they know its pushing your luck etc.
The 5 series video on super linglongs and 600 brake in damp conditions but we ll still drive like a cock....
Sorry but im not a fan of sharing the roads with these chancers.
TR Hamza's driving himself is not even that bad though, half his videos are trundling around gently while he talks about the car, its not even close to as dangerous as what goes on over at LLF channel or other owners who bring their cars on for 'testing'.
However, I dont doubt that the driver who crashed in this instance was likely wanting to show off with a car they barely know.
However, I dont doubt that the driver who crashed in this instance was likely wanting to show off with a car they barely know.
cossy400 said:
RobM77 said:
cossy400 said:
RobM77 said:
Wills2 said:
Mastodon2 said:
The car lost control? What a mug.
Indeed. As has been said already, he wasn't driving, and I suspect he's very tactfully trying to avoid placing blame on someone publicly, which I think is a very gentlemanly (and legally correct) thing to do.
All I was commenting on was people trolling the poor guy when he's in hospital after an enormous car accident; that's the lowest of the low and subverts any standards of decency. The quote "the car lost control" could be taken in any number of ways - the trolls/bullies above have deliberately taken it to mean a certain thing (removal of blame on the driver) so they can put the boot in. Many people might say such a phrase as a generic description of any car sliding out of control, regardless of who/what/why. Can we expect his wording to be pixel perfect when he's injured and in a state of shock? The truth is that we don't know what happened, and it's completely inappropriate to be talking like that about someone who's just suffered serious injuries.
Yes, it is very fortunate that an innocent person or people weren't caught up in this, but that is not an excuse to make posts like the above (and others); that's just childish and inappropriate.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 24th December 13:58
Lets not detract from the fact that this is what his videos are about like LLF Gass Gang etc to name a few.
If you ve watched the video i posted earlier then you ll be able to see how they provoked the car on track, they were not out for a sunday stroll.
People will and can defend him all they like, it was going to happen eventually and LLF commenting on his hospital video saying we should slow down abit of what ever he said just goes to show they know its pushing your luck etc.
The 5 series video on super linglongs and 600 brake in damp conditions but we ll still drive like a cock....
Sorry but im not a fan of sharing the roads with these chancers.
RobM77 said:
cossy400 said:
RobM77 said:
cossy400 said:
RobM77 said:
Wills2 said:
Mastodon2 said:
The car lost control? What a mug.
Indeed. As has been said already, he wasn't driving, and I suspect he's very tactfully trying to avoid placing blame on someone publicly, which I think is a very gentlemanly (and legally correct) thing to do.
All I was commenting on was people trolling the poor guy when he's in hospital after an enormous car accident; that's the lowest of the low and subverts any standards of decency. The quote "the car lost control" could be taken in any number of ways - the trolls/bullies above have deliberately taken it to mean a certain thing (removal of blame on the driver) so they can put the boot in. Many people might say such a phrase as a generic description of any car sliding out of control, regardless of who/what/why. Can we expect his wording to be pixel perfect when he's injured and in a state of shock? The truth is that we don't know what happened, and it's completely inappropriate to be talking like that about someone who's just suffered serious injuries.
Yes, it is very fortunate that an innocent person or people weren't caught up in this, but that is not an excuse to make posts like the above (and others); that's just childish and inappropriate.
Edited by RobM77 on Tuesday 24th December 13:58
Lets not detract from the fact that this is what his videos are about like LLF Gass Gang etc to name a few.
If you ve watched the video i posted earlier then you ll be able to see how they provoked the car on track, they were not out for a sunday stroll.
People will and can defend him all they like, it was going to happen eventually and LLF commenting on his hospital video saying we should slow down abit of what ever he said just goes to show they know its pushing your luck etc.
The 5 series video on super linglongs and 600 brake in damp conditions but we ll still drive like a cock....
Sorry but im not a fan of sharing the roads with these chancers.
Just be glad they didn't hurt anyone else.
Do you honestly think the passenger told the driver to be careful or threatened to get out of the vehicle?
I have absolutely no sorrow for people like this. Just look at the idiot mentioned a few pages back who crashed his x weapon too. Filmed himself driving the Peugeot while holding the steering wheel with his finger tips.
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