Re : Porsche Cayman S (987) vs. 718 Cayman T

[Leftfootwonder]

cayman-black said:

I can't stand these Porsches and i have owned one , boring and ugly and certainly no 911 and even worse is the 718 !

You might want to change your username.

[jimbo761]

Niffty951 said:

As the 6-cylinder was forced into retirement for emissions I'd be very interested to know the real world mpg difference on a 30min commute. My gen 1 Cayman S was very disappointing in this respect (high 20's at best), which was worse than my 996 turbo and far less potent but I had Hope's the DFI would average into the 30's without having to drive like miss daisy.

Best I managed in the base 2.0:



Thrash it and it will be mid 20s though. But nice to have the option.

[nickfrog]

jimbo761 said:

Best I managed in the base 2.0:



Thrash it and it will be mid 20s though. But nice to have the option.

That's brilliant. They make for a very versatile daily indeed. I really like them and while I prefer the flat 6, the 718 chassis is a massive improvement IME so on balance that would be my choice too.

[anonymous-user]

jimbo761 said:

Best I managed in the base 2.0:



Thrash it and it will be mid 20s though. But nice to have the option.

Can’t argue with that. Impressive for what it is.

[Helicopter123]

So, the 10 year old Cayman has retained 50% of it's value, that's pretty amazing and makes for very cheap motoring.

There is a reason why so many trust the Porsche brand.

[anonymous-user]

Helicopter123 said:

So, the 10 year old Cayman has retained 50% of it's value, that's pretty amazing and makes for very cheap motoring.

There is a reason why so many trust the Porsche brand.

I’d have one tomorrow, but I don’t trust the engines at all (6 cylinder). Shame, as a 6 cylinder Cayman S with a few tweaks would make a lovey car. But sod £10k engine rebuilds because Porsche don’t know how to make an engine.

[contraband]

The 987 has much nicer lines than the 718.
I was going to write more, but then remembered I’m so bored of these comparisons.

[Helicopter123]

contraband said:

The 987 has much nicer lines than the 718.
I was going to write more, but then remembered I’m so bored of these comparisons.

987 has the more charismatic engine, more steering feel.

[Niffty951]

anonymous said:

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What he said. There have been very rare bearing & scoring failures seen on the 9A1 engine but nothing like the frequency of M96 engine failures. With all the specialists actively looking to see how the 9A1 engine fairs, I suspect the failures are as uncommon as any other car you'd care to mention. My grandmothers brand new polo 1.4 scored a cylinder at 12 months old and had the engine replaced under warranty, but you don't see people worrying about it and nor would I.

I'd just keep an eye out for injector faults on the 9A1. Injectors now are such fine tuned and temperamental components. That would be my top suspect in the cause for failures I've seen. Either leaking and washing contact surfaces or lean running in one cylinder.

[Niffty951]

yonex said:

jimbo761 said:

Best I managed in the base 2.0:



Thrash it and it will be mid 20s though. But nice to have the option.

Can’t argue with that. Impressive for what it is.

Very impressive. Sounds like my S3. Disappointed by the quoted 25 on the Gen2. I spend £150 a week at 30-35mpg and do too many miles to be filling up every 250 (3/4tanks a week). I wouldn't be buying a Cayman as a second car, that's firmly TVR territory for me. It has to do both jobs to be of value.

[davidc1]

I really like the t. But its a crime that you have to pay exfra for the t interior pack. Much like having to pay extra for the gts interior!

[cayman-black]

Leftfootwonder said:

You might want to change your username.

lol, i had a Cayman when i joined PH,s. I like my name though.

[Prestonese]

yonex said:

Can’t argue with that. Impressive for what it is.

Don't you think it could be so much better though? Most 718 owners I've spoken to get low 30s MPG and low 20s when hooning a bit. That's similar to the flat 6 981s which throws in decent sound for good measure.

An Alpine for comparison struggles to get below 35mpg and you can throw that around all day long. Easily 45mpg on longer runs.

[A1VDY]

HighwayStar said:

TimoMak said:

SidewaysSi said:

A 987 with £5k ish of kit thrown at it would destroy the new car to drive.

Think you’ve been overdoing the Christmas Baileys there Sideways... but it is very clear from your posts that you don’t have much automotive knowledge.

Personally I’d love either of these, and a remap in the case of the turbo, however just because I can’t afford the new one I don’t feel obligated to criticise (unlike some jealous owners of older models..) ...

So much snobbery in the UK. V entertaining tho...

Oooh this could be fun on a slow day over the festive season... which jealous owners of older models?

I'd like to know too lol..
My gen1 S has 23k miles, never been on a wet road and is concours condition. Its likely worth way over book to an enthusiast but I'd have to be offered stupid money to sell it.
I couldn't afford outright the purchase of a new 718 but then again wouldn't want one.

[PhantomPH]

nickfrog said:

They make for a very versatile daily indeed.

Not if you don't want to cry at trade-in time. The dealer still has my eyes after removing them at trade-in of my 718S...

[Sport220]

"Lightweight" 2.0 4 cylinder car is as heavy as 3.4 6 cylinder one. Yawn

[nickfrog]

PhantomPH said:

nickfrog said:

They make for a very versatile daily indeed.

Not if you don't want to cry at trade-in time. The dealer still has my eyes after removing them at trade-in of my 718S...

Sorry to hear that. It sounds very much like what people have been saying for 15 years about Boxsters and Caymans though. 5 years +ownership followed by private sale seems to be a far better depreciation mitigation policy.

[Court_S]

I really like the way the 718 looks and the interior is much nicer but I personally can’t see past the four cylinder engine. I don’t like the noise it makes one bit.

The older cars sound fantastic to my ears and for me I’d have a GTS in a heartbeat. Love them.

[johnbear]

Had a 987 Boxster for a few years, its Porsche's best car. Even got it down to 9.8 mpg in the Gorge Du Tarn. Got a 991 Turbo S but still prefer the sound of the F6. The 987 is a real experience. Regret selling it, plus they don't drop in value like 991's

[323ti]

The 4 cil Cayman does absolutely nothing for me, I'd have an Alpine over that any day of the week.
The old dfi flat six though is magical. Better even than the straight six in my old E46 M3.
And the handling is just in another league, but that goes for any Cayman.
I usually got a nice round 30mpg in mixed driving from my 2012 987.2 manual.