Re : The Alpine A110 (finally) cometh | PH Fleet
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Miserablegit said:
Yes a few of us had considered them at the time and I, for one, always regretted not buying one.
It was still a tad difficult getting in and out of.
The Alpine is very easy to get in and out (at 6’3). A Lotus Elise, Exige and I assume Europa, are not. Makes a huge difference for a daily driver.It was still a tad difficult getting in and out of.
Onehp said:
Well Porsche is listening (partly), new 718 GTS is a 6 cilinder 4.0 NA Manual (only?!) 400PS. Priced accordingly probably so no direct competition.
And in the process they’ve addressed the anomaly that the 4 pot GTS had been quicker than the GT4 by making the GTS slower than the GT4 ( which is to be expected )and I can see the owners very happy with an option for a 6 pot againrockin said:
I was contemplating earlier today the short-lived Lotus Europa S. In many ways very similar to the 110 concept, albeit with a manual transmission. Fewer than 500 were ever built/sold,
I wrote about it earlier in the tread with the same point. There are numbers of reasons why they didnt sell new, but after they went out of production they have been quite sought after and prices have never really dropped low. I looked into importing one during the times when it was cheaper for us to buy cars in the uk (and lower prices in general). I wanted the raw elise feeling, but with a bit more comfort for road use, like a more complete interior, they also have AC etc and can get seriously quick with some upgrades. As close to the Alpine as they have been i guess - 4-pot turbo
- Aluminium chassis
- More refined than an Elise
- A bit pricey
Lexington59 said:
In other news: Porsche just announced a 400 bhp naturally aspirated 4.0 six cylinder manual only mainstream Cayman.... surely the antithesis of the light, auto only turbo only four cylinder only Renault Alpine?
Yes and it is slower and heavier than the model it replaces...Glad people have the choice but I wouldn’t swap an Alpine for one.
Miserablegit said:
Lexington59 said:
In other news: Porsche just announced a 400 bhp naturally aspirated 4.0 six cylinder manual only mainstream Cayman.... surely the antithesis of the light, auto only turbo only four cylinder only Renault Alpine?
Yes and it is slower and heavier than the model it replaces...Glad people have the choice but I wouldn’t swap an Alpine for one.
springfan62 said:
The most disappointing aspects of the new Cayman GTS are its weight and its shockingly poor level of efficiency with a WLTP of 246g/km.
Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
It’s a massive displacement nasp, what did you expect ? Either way a surprising move by Porsche. Where is Greta?Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
yonex said:
Expensive that Alpine eh?
Indeed So it sounds better but performance is equal or lesser. I suppose that’s not a massive trade-off but the last thing the Caysters needed was more weight .
Weight of the GT4 means even an R version would be over 1400kg perhaps?? Would they make a lighter version than the gt4? Can’t see why as it is the halo model.
Some might say it’s an acknowledgement that they brought the wrong dog to the fight. Not sure it will affect the Alpine sales as it’s still a lightweight.
Other observation is that it will be cheaper to get out of an alpine into a gts than from a 718 to gts as a result of the “depreciation” certain Porsche boys always cried in any alpine thread. Not for me but if a six pot is vital to buyers then BMW/Toyota have now lost their USP.
springfan62 said:
The most disappointing aspects of the new Cayman GTS are its weight and its shockingly poor level of efficiency with a WLTP of 246g/km.
Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
Seems like a massive forward step to recover lost sales to me. I don't think the emissions level will be a massive concern for the target audience. Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
nickfrog said:
Seems like a massive forward step to recover lost sales to me. I don't think the emissions level will be a massive concern for the target audience.
Perhaps not such a big deal in the UK, but in some countries the levy for high emissions is crippling. In France, for example, I expect the "malus" will be well over £10000 maybe double that it's already 10000Euro for a base 718!nickfrog said:
springfan62 said:
The most disappointing aspects of the new Cayman GTS are its weight and its shockingly poor level of efficiency with a WLTP of 246g/km.
Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
Seems like a massive forward step to recover lost sales to me. I don't think the emissions level will be a massive concern for the target audience. Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
DoubleD said:
nickfrog said:
springfan62 said:
The most disappointing aspects of the new Cayman GTS are its weight and its shockingly poor level of efficiency with a WLTP of 246g/km.
Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
Seems like a massive forward step to recover lost sales to me. I don't think the emissions level will be a massive concern for the target audience. Seems a massive backwards step to recover lost sales at any price.
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