Volkswagen Golf R vs. Golf GTI TCR
Discussion
Elatino1 said:
You seem not to realise that your constant condescending comments towards posters (not just myself but many on several threads) actually are due to deep seated psychological instabilities and your comments make this known. Perhaps something you should look into.
In regards to what do I drive (I didn't even see you had asked this question as I was not responding to it) this is of no consequence.
Your anology regarding cricket does not stand up. Are you a chef or do you never criticise food? A builder or do you never criticise architecture? A highways engineer or do you never criticise the states of road layouts. A lawyer or do you never criticise the law, an actor or do you never criticise films.....the list is endless.
I will however answer your question despite it being totally irrelevant as I know you will hang onto that forever otherwise. I have an Impreza STI Spec C RA, Megane R26 and a soon to be replaced BMW 330ci.
Also Kia &Hyundai make some decent cars these days, not sure what you have against them.
There you go, I knew you could do it. Well done!In regards to what do I drive (I didn't even see you had asked this question as I was not responding to it) this is of no consequence.
Your anology regarding cricket does not stand up. Are you a chef or do you never criticise food? A builder or do you never criticise architecture? A highways engineer or do you never criticise the states of road layouts. A lawyer or do you never criticise the law, an actor or do you never criticise films.....the list is endless.
I will however answer your question despite it being totally irrelevant as I know you will hang onto that forever otherwise. I have an Impreza STI Spec C RA, Megane R26 and a soon to be replaced BMW 330ci.
Also Kia &Hyundai make some decent cars these days, not sure what you have against them.
Perhaps have a read: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/envy/20121...
Helicopter123 said:
Lease a Golf R for c. £200 a month a rag the nuts off it for two years? No wonder these are everywhere. The even better news is that there will be plenty second hand cars around for years to come?
Maybe a few years ago, you cant get close to that these days.Best Ive seen is £260 per month over 3 years with £2500 deposit and 5k mileage PA.
cerb4.5lee said:
selym said:
Everyone can be a driving god with an auto!
Yes and you can just plant your foot down and hold on! 
They are good at the traffic light grand prix too...because you don't have to worry about missing or messing your gearchange up. For out and out speed an auto definitely works, I just really miss using the gearstick and using the clutch when I'm driving an auto though.
The bigger issue is that most quick cars are now so bloody fast / capable that the ability to actually extend them constantly shrinks and that definitely includes my car; without much effort regardless of the gear box it gets passed 70 with little or no effort. It must be even more frustrating in a properly fast car unless you track it.
Elatino1 said:
Perhaps have a read: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/envy/20121...
Wow, free medical analysis.To return the favour, I can do the same - please have a read:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318694.p...
You're welcome.
Oddly, the R is clearly the most capable and yet I still want the GTI more.
The original R32 was a bit special as it seemed absurd to have a 3.2 litre engine in a Golf, it may have not been the fastest out there but it had character. Sadly the R model just never really did much for me and yet they are subtle (something I appreciate being in my mid 30s) and clearly very quick cars. Sadly I don't think they have a great image probably due to cheap finance deals and as a result I've often seem them being driven somewhat eratically. Example being the other day on the motorway one goes flying past at 80mph+ with a space saver on the front! I know it's not all R drivers but I'm sure you know what I mean, this applies to a few other good cars too!
The GTI to me and I appreciate this may just be me, looks that bit better, still subtle but a bit more going on. Front wheel drive doesn't phase me really, I have owned quite a few hot hatches and they've been good fun. I admit the mapped RS Megane 225 I had could be a little manic but that was a 2005 model so I'd assume a car more designed to have 250bhp+ puts it on the ground better.
The original R32 was a bit special as it seemed absurd to have a 3.2 litre engine in a Golf, it may have not been the fastest out there but it had character. Sadly the R model just never really did much for me and yet they are subtle (something I appreciate being in my mid 30s) and clearly very quick cars. Sadly I don't think they have a great image probably due to cheap finance deals and as a result I've often seem them being driven somewhat eratically. Example being the other day on the motorway one goes flying past at 80mph+ with a space saver on the front! I know it's not all R drivers but I'm sure you know what I mean, this applies to a few other good cars too!
The GTI to me and I appreciate this may just be me, looks that bit better, still subtle but a bit more going on. Front wheel drive doesn't phase me really, I have owned quite a few hot hatches and they've been good fun. I admit the mapped RS Megane 225 I had could be a little manic but that was a 2005 model so I'd assume a car more designed to have 250bhp+ puts it on the ground better.
I always tend to gravitate towards golfs as daily drivers (i blame my grandad always having them as i grew up!). I've had Mk4 r32, Mk5 r32, Mk5 ED30 and now a mk7 Golf R (In estate form). My mum has just bought a 7.5 performance pack manual golf gti and in its own right its awesome and for how my mum drives and uses the car its better for her than the R, she doesnt like the 4 exhausts or the overall look (for her) or dsg and i doubt she will ever loose traction in the GTI but if you like to drive your cars at higher levels and year round in all conditions, then the haldex based Equivalents are a no brainer.
When i had my ed30 it was mapped etc and unless it was dry it did my head in, it would spin up to 80 if you let it! I got rid of it to get the mk5 r32 and i liked it more than the ed30 only after the drive home. Now being an r32 fan, i shouldnt be allowed to like the new R's now they arent 6 cylinder but the engines are really impressive and the newest generation haldex walks all over previous generations! I was also a die hard manual fan once upon a time but being lucky enough to have 2 cars (the 'fun' car being old and manual) the dsg wins every time for a daily driven car. My commute is only 10 miles and quite busy, radar cruise and dsg means i press a button and only have to steer my way to work really and if i go out for a blast ill stick it in manual mode!
If you are to believe internet forum comments on the R, i was expecting it to be boring and numb but on my first drive of one i was really shocked that that just wasnt the case, the turn in i found awesome and i actually found the car quite playful, much more than my mk5 r32. It really felt like a mix of my modified ed30 gti and the mk5 r32 but brought forward into the future. When i got it home i took it straight to my favourite road (a686) and had a pleasant blast in it which confirmed my first thoughts about how it drove. There were some aspects of the DSG i wasnt keen on (as with any dsg car i've had) but these are sorted with a dsg map. (In manual, no auto up shifting at limiter, no auto kickdown etc.)
The stolen comments also get a little tedious, you can bet as soon as someone mentions an R then someone will mention theft! It is what it is, leave your keys by the door and make sure you're insured on the off chance it might get stolen, as with any car. Better to have had the car you want and it get stolen than buy the car you dont want and have to live with it.
If you break the cars down for all given scenarios then the R is just better, much like the article and If you had to buy a mk7 as a none daily scenario car then you'd not pick either, you'd go for the clubsport S!
When i had my ed30 it was mapped etc and unless it was dry it did my head in, it would spin up to 80 if you let it! I got rid of it to get the mk5 r32 and i liked it more than the ed30 only after the drive home. Now being an r32 fan, i shouldnt be allowed to like the new R's now they arent 6 cylinder but the engines are really impressive and the newest generation haldex walks all over previous generations! I was also a die hard manual fan once upon a time but being lucky enough to have 2 cars (the 'fun' car being old and manual) the dsg wins every time for a daily driven car. My commute is only 10 miles and quite busy, radar cruise and dsg means i press a button and only have to steer my way to work really and if i go out for a blast ill stick it in manual mode!
If you are to believe internet forum comments on the R, i was expecting it to be boring and numb but on my first drive of one i was really shocked that that just wasnt the case, the turn in i found awesome and i actually found the car quite playful, much more than my mk5 r32. It really felt like a mix of my modified ed30 gti and the mk5 r32 but brought forward into the future. When i got it home i took it straight to my favourite road (a686) and had a pleasant blast in it which confirmed my first thoughts about how it drove. There were some aspects of the DSG i wasnt keen on (as with any dsg car i've had) but these are sorted with a dsg map. (In manual, no auto up shifting at limiter, no auto kickdown etc.)
The stolen comments also get a little tedious, you can bet as soon as someone mentions an R then someone will mention theft! It is what it is, leave your keys by the door and make sure you're insured on the off chance it might get stolen, as with any car. Better to have had the car you want and it get stolen than buy the car you dont want and have to live with it.
If you break the cars down for all given scenarios then the R is just better, much like the article and If you had to buy a mk7 as a none daily scenario car then you'd not pick either, you'd go for the clubsport S!
Edited by scottos on Friday 3rd January 10:07
scottos said:
The stolen comments also get a little tedious, you can bet as soon as someone mentions an R then someone will mention theft! It is what it is, leave your keys by the door and make sure you're insured on the off chance it might get stolen, as with any car. Better to have had the car you want and it get stolen than buy the car you dont want and have to live with it.
I think there are in excess of 70000 Mk7/7.5 Golf Rs on UK roads. They may be more of a target than other cars, but I'd guess the actual percentage that have been stolen is very small.Edited by scottos on Friday 3rd January 10:07
selym said:
832ark said:
stongle said:
If I had to pick my top 5 owned hatches (owned), in order:
1. EP3 Type R
2. William's Clio
3. Mk 7.5 GTI PP
=4th. MK V GTI / RS1800
Any yet can’t even spell Williams 1. EP3 Type R
2. William's Clio
3. Mk 7.5 GTI PP
=4th. MK V GTI / RS1800
British Beef said:
Helicopter123 said:
Lease a Golf R for c. £200 a month a rag the nuts off it for two years? No wonder these are everywhere. The even better news is that there will be plenty second hand cars around for years to come?
Maybe a few years ago, you cant get close to that these days.Best Ive seen is £260 per month over 3 years with £2500 deposit and 5k mileage PA.
Not the same car but a few months ago i ordered a Cupra 290 on a 1+23 8k miles PA for £243 PM with a £99 processing fee.
832ark said:
stongle said:
If I had to pick my top 5 owned hatches (owned), in order:
1. EP3 Type R
2. William's Clio
3. Mk 7.5 GTI PP
=4th. MK V GTI / RS1800
Any yet can’t even spell Williams 1. EP3 Type R
2. William's Clio
3. Mk 7.5 GTI PP
=4th. MK V GTI / RS1800
Edited by stongle on Friday 3rd January 13:55
Edited by stongle on Friday 3rd January 13:57
J4CKO said:
Is this partly about the R being so numerous due to being available on affordable lease deals for a few years ?
At least the TCR has back seats, I would feel such a tit saying I cant offer someone a lift because my otherwise normal looking Golf doesn't have any back seats to keep the weight down to save a few seconds on a German racetrack.
Why would you feel a tit? Do you run a taxi service? As a single car to do it all, practicality is compromised but you don't buy a CSS as a single car to do it all. I suspect, much like myself, other owners have other cars too. At least the TCR has back seats, I would feel such a tit saying I cant offer someone a lift because my otherwise normal looking Golf doesn't have any back seats to keep the weight down to save a few seconds on a German racetrack.
You're legally allowed to carry passengers in the back of the CSS but it's not going to be comfortable or as safe.
nickfrog said:
culpz said:
Not the same car but a few months ago i ordered a Cupra 290 on a 1+23 8k miles PA for £243 PM with a £99 processing fee.
Amazing VFM. Sometimes it does pay to not own a car. 
culpz said:
nickfrog said:
culpz said:
Not the same car but a few months ago i ordered a Cupra 290 on a 1+23 8k miles PA for £243 PM with a £99 processing fee.
Amazing VFM. Sometimes it does pay to not own a car. Excuse my stupidity but as someone who’s considering buying a 3 year old Golf R for around £20k, probably most of it on a loan.(Don’t like to use savings).
At what point do you say sod it and go for something like the Cupra on a lease deal?
I’m not really the type that wants to change cars every 3 years so maybe it’s not for me.
andrewparker said:
scottos said:
The stolen comments also get a little tedious, you can bet as soon as someone mentions an R then someone will mention theft! It is what it is, leave your keys by the door and make sure you're insured on the off chance it might get stolen, as with any car. Better to have had the car you want and it get stolen than buy the car you dont want and have to live with it.
I think there are in excess of 70000 Mk7/7.5 Golf Rs on UK roads. They may be more of a target than other cars, but I'd guess the actual percentage that have been stolen is very small.Edited by scottos on Friday 3rd January 10:07
Court_S said:
andrewparker said:
scottos said:
The stolen comments also get a little tedious, you can bet as soon as someone mentions an R then someone will mention theft! It is what it is, leave your keys by the door and make sure you're insured on the off chance it might get stolen, as with any car. Better to have had the car you want and it get stolen than buy the car you dont want and have to live with it.
I think there are in excess of 70000 Mk7/7.5 Golf Rs on UK roads. They may be more of a target than other cars, but I'd guess the actual percentage that have been stolen is very small.Edited by scottos on Friday 3rd January 10:07
We are not talking about super rare classics but an everyday car that is the equivalent of or perhaps not as good as its rivals. Therefore one should question the risk.
Of course other factors depends on whether you have a family, live in a house/flat etc. And of course if you know how to use the stairs, sausages and are a Kind Fu master.
With 2 small kids and living within the M25, I personally don't see the point for having a quick Golf. For others who love it/is a dream car etc., they may take a different point of view.
Court_S said:
andrewparker said:
scottos said:
The stolen comments also get a little tedious, you can bet as soon as someone mentions an R then someone will mention theft! It is what it is, leave your keys by the door and make sure you're insured on the off chance it might get stolen, as with any car. Better to have had the car you want and it get stolen than buy the car you dont want and have to live with it.
I think there are in excess of 70000 Mk7/7.5 Golf Rs on UK roads. They may be more of a target than other cars, but I'd guess the actual percentage that have been stolen is very small.Edited by scottos on Friday 3rd January 10:07
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