Peugeot 407 2.7 V6 | Shed of the Week
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QuadrifoglioVerde said:
Numeric said:
Many car designers seem to think we should be 'challenged' and 'shocked' by their genius creation - all i can say is look at the sales numbers of the cars we all seem to agree are just absolutely lovely!
Yes, the Alfa Giulia and Jaguar XE out-sell the 3-Series, C-Class and A4 by quite some margin don't they?Oh, hang on...
I ran a 4 door saloon version of this car for 5 long months. Worst car I’ve owned.
Heater broke, electrics failed, engine playing up.
Distant steering, wooden brakes, prodigious understeer.
The 2.7 diesel wasn’t fast and was a real mess of spaghetti pipes, wires and cables under the bonnet. Complicated doesn’t come close.
It was a huge relief to move it on.
It was cheap to buy and I sold it cheap but overall an utterly unpleasant experience.
I knew a bloke at Peugeot that said the coupes were much better built but not sure I could risk it.
Heater broke, electrics failed, engine playing up.
Distant steering, wooden brakes, prodigious understeer.
The 2.7 diesel wasn’t fast and was a real mess of spaghetti pipes, wires and cables under the bonnet. Complicated doesn’t come close.
It was a huge relief to move it on.
It was cheap to buy and I sold it cheap but overall an utterly unpleasant experience.
I knew a bloke at Peugeot that said the coupes were much better built but not sure I could risk it.
NGK210 said:
Ghastly diesel munter.
Whatever next? SOTW singing the praises of a carcinogenic turbodiesel Golf repmobile? Oh, hang on...
In fairness the Golf TDI you refer to at least has a good reputation for durability and offers decent (very decent, for the performance) MPG. It ticks two major boxes on the Shed checklist. The Peugeot however offers neither... 33 MPG combined, for a diesel car that does 0-60 in 8.7 seconds?! - add to that the very poor reliability record of mid 2000 era Peugeots and you can only think that Shed is suffering from a major new year hangover picking this one... Whatever next? SOTW singing the praises of a carcinogenic turbodiesel Golf repmobile? Oh, hang on...
"albeit in Boring Silver"
Is it only me that still likes a silver car? Silver is an honest colour, elegant on a good car design and hides nothing on a bad design. Desingners can't hide behind daytime running lights to sharpen up the looks. Probably why so many new car PR photo's are in black or grey, in darkened rooms. It's a great colour and easier to keep clean IMO.
Is it only me that still likes a silver car? Silver is an honest colour, elegant on a good car design and hides nothing on a bad design. Desingners can't hide behind daytime running lights to sharpen up the looks. Probably why so many new car PR photo's are in black or grey, in darkened rooms. It's a great colour and easier to keep clean IMO.
Numeric said:
QuadrifoglioVerde said:
Numeric said:
Many car designers seem to think we should be 'challenged' and 'shocked' by their genius creation - all i can say is look at the sales numbers of the cars we all seem to agree are just absolutely lovely!
Yes, the Alfa Giulia and Jaguar XE out-sell the 3-Series, C-Class and A4 by quite some margin don't they?Oh, hang on...
t load of cabin space to a nose designed to make the car safer if it hit pedestrians (iirc?)Funny that other contemporary manufacturers managed to get great results in tests without resorting to the Jimmy Hill look.
Picking up on designers and their wish to challenge / shock, I really cant get my grey matter around the current Civic.
As the Type R it’s a Frankenstein’s Monster of miss-matched shapes
As the standard car it’s just totally unresolved and bland.
As others opined, the 406 coupe was a looker, but this is, to paraphrase James May, like having the recipe to make a great steak pie, and then use dog food.
Personally I’d prefer the recent Golf diseasel featured in SOTW...
I sadly own one exactly the same. Hands down my worst ever purchase.
Bought for 1700 with a 1400 bill for a service/cam belt/ water pump and pads in the previous 18 months.
I think this should make a comfy winter hack.
Yes it is comfy.
However since Sept.
Service. 200, fair enough.
I think that’s acceptable for a winter hack- 2k all in.
However it then decided to allow me the enjoyment of:
Battery gave up the ghost. 105.
Needed new pads at the front and replacement brake lines 125
Wheel bearing 300
Coolant hose (the infamous one with the thermostat built in) 325
A 2nd hose then went. 105.
Abs sensor. 140 as the petrol tank needed to come out.
Puncture and repair the wheel after hitting a pothole 150 (fair enough- but has left the tyre pressure monitoring system warning on- standard garage code reader won’t reset it)
EML came on. Faulty sensor on the exhaust-80.
Has needed a few “diesel tuneups” as drive it for a few weeks without a decent run on the motorway and the DPF fault mesage comes on
Parking sensors gave up the ghost. No idea why.
As I type the ABS fault light has come back on.
The nearest thing to Christine I have ever owned. The longest it has gone without a trip to the garage is 3 weeks. Sad thing is when it works it’s really good on the motorway. Get 32 mpg in mixed driving but when added to the 570 road tax and the surprisingly high insurance group it’s proven to be a disaster. Ho hum, it’s only money.
Bought for 1700 with a 1400 bill for a service/cam belt/ water pump and pads in the previous 18 months.
I think this should make a comfy winter hack.
Yes it is comfy.
However since Sept.
Service. 200, fair enough.
I think that’s acceptable for a winter hack- 2k all in.
However it then decided to allow me the enjoyment of:
Battery gave up the ghost. 105.
Needed new pads at the front and replacement brake lines 125
Wheel bearing 300
Coolant hose (the infamous one with the thermostat built in) 325
A 2nd hose then went. 105.
Abs sensor. 140 as the petrol tank needed to come out.
Puncture and repair the wheel after hitting a pothole 150 (fair enough- but has left the tyre pressure monitoring system warning on- standard garage code reader won’t reset it)
EML came on. Faulty sensor on the exhaust-80.
Has needed a few “diesel tuneups” as drive it for a few weeks without a decent run on the motorway and the DPF fault mesage comes on
Parking sensors gave up the ghost. No idea why.
As I type the ABS fault light has come back on.
The nearest thing to Christine I have ever owned. The longest it has gone without a trip to the garage is 3 weeks. Sad thing is when it works it’s really good on the motorway. Get 32 mpg in mixed driving but when added to the 570 road tax and the surprisingly high insurance group it’s proven to be a disaster. Ho hum, it’s only money.
I have owned a couple of these 2.7 v6 diesels, build quality and reliability has been excellent, however I now have a 3.0 hdi 407 coupe, only 45 of these made for the uk, and its an awesome car, using the later 3.0 v6 diesel engine as found in the XF/ Range Rover applications. So much standard equipment, double glazed windows, cornering lights, elec dampers etc.
Very rare, huge amounts of torque (more than my rs4/svr!) and now it is remapped to 310 bhp. I have owned and driven some great cars over the years and this is right up there with them (see my garage).
Very rare, huge amounts of torque (more than my rs4/svr!) and now it is remapped to 310 bhp. I have owned and driven some great cars over the years and this is right up there with them (see my garage).
Quality shed.
Had one of these years ago as a hire car. Almost bought one when I got home but the depreciation was too scary. Bought a 9-3 instead. Regret not keeping that but have always had a soft spot for these. Not the best thing around the Nordschleife but that's isn't everything in life.
If that's how Shed starts the New Year we've got some treats to come...
Had one of these years ago as a hire car. Almost bought one when I got home but the depreciation was too scary. Bought a 9-3 instead. Regret not keeping that but have always had a soft spot for these. Not the best thing around the Nordschleife but that's isn't everything in life.
If that's how Shed starts the New Year we've got some treats to come...
Feels like I might be in a significant minority here, but I don't mind the looks of it that much. The rear is a bit bulbous and the side view of the front overhang makes me wonder if the PSA designers had been glancing at too many pictures of a cartoon shark before they sat down at the sketchpad?
Meanwhile from inside, those seats in the red leather look like they'd be good for a bit of wafting along and the fact that it's not a come out of Wolfsburg / Stuttgart / Munich gives it an odd appeal. I am probably also the only one that the overall package of the 407 Coupe gives it echoes of being the younger, Gallic cousin of the 1980s 635CSi. Or maybe I need my eyes checking again.
Would I have one - based on the price and looks, yes, based on the running costs and stories about reliability, probably not.
Shame really, because I prophesy that in 20 years good ones will be very sought after.
Meanwhile from inside, those seats in the red leather look like they'd be good for a bit of wafting along and the fact that it's not a come out of Wolfsburg / Stuttgart / Munich gives it an odd appeal. I am probably also the only one that the overall package of the 407 Coupe gives it echoes of being the younger, Gallic cousin of the 1980s 635CSi. Or maybe I need my eyes checking again.
Would I have one - based on the price and looks, yes, based on the running costs and stories about reliability, probably not.
Shame really, because I prophesy that in 20 years good ones will be very sought after.
Gmlgml said:
I sadly own one exactly the same. Hands down my worst ever purchase.
Bought for 1700 with a 1400 bill for a service/cam belt/ water pump and pads in the previous 18 months.
I think this should make a comfy winter hack.
Yes it is comfy.
However since Sept.
Service. 200, fair enough.
I think that’s acceptable for a winter hack- 2k all in.
However it then decided to allow me the enjoyment of:
Battery gave up the ghost. 105.
Needed new pads at the front and replacement brake lines 125
Wheel bearing 300
Coolant hose (the infamous one with the thermostat built in) 325
A 2nd hose then went. 105.
Abs sensor. 140 as the petrol tank needed to come out.
Puncture and repair the wheel after hitting a pothole 150 (fair enough- but has left the tyre pressure monitoring system warning on- standard garage code reader won’t reset it)
EML came on. Faulty sensor on the exhaust-80.
Has needed a few “diesel tuneups” as drive it for a few weeks without a decent run on the motorway and the DPF fault mesage comes on
Parking sensors gave up the ghost. No idea why.
As I type the ABS fault light has come back on.
The nearest thing to Christine I have ever owned. The longest it has gone without a trip to the garage is 3 weeks. Sad thing is when it works it’s really good on the motorway. Get 32 mpg in mixed driving but when added to the 570 road tax and the surprisingly high insurance group it’s proven to be a disaster. Ho hum, it’s only money.
Oooft! That's quite a big kick in the gonads!Bought for 1700 with a 1400 bill for a service/cam belt/ water pump and pads in the previous 18 months.
I think this should make a comfy winter hack.
Yes it is comfy.
However since Sept.
Service. 200, fair enough.
I think that’s acceptable for a winter hack- 2k all in.
However it then decided to allow me the enjoyment of:
Battery gave up the ghost. 105.
Needed new pads at the front and replacement brake lines 125
Wheel bearing 300
Coolant hose (the infamous one with the thermostat built in) 325
A 2nd hose then went. 105.
Abs sensor. 140 as the petrol tank needed to come out.
Puncture and repair the wheel after hitting a pothole 150 (fair enough- but has left the tyre pressure monitoring system warning on- standard garage code reader won’t reset it)
EML came on. Faulty sensor on the exhaust-80.
Has needed a few “diesel tuneups” as drive it for a few weeks without a decent run on the motorway and the DPF fault mesage comes on
Parking sensors gave up the ghost. No idea why.
As I type the ABS fault light has come back on.
The nearest thing to Christine I have ever owned. The longest it has gone without a trip to the garage is 3 weeks. Sad thing is when it works it’s really good on the motorway. Get 32 mpg in mixed driving but when added to the 570 road tax and the surprisingly high insurance group it’s proven to be a disaster. Ho hum, it’s only money.
Leftfootwonder said:
"albeit in Boring Silver"
Is it only me that still likes a silver car? Silver is an honest colour, elegant on a good car design and hides nothing on a bad design. Desingners can't hide behind daytime running lights to sharpen up the looks. Probably why so many new car PR photo's are in black or grey, in darkened rooms. It's a great colour and easier to keep clean IMO.
I've never liked Silver and haven't had a car in that colour for that reason. I'd took a gamble once and had a Grey car but that isn't a colour I'd usually go for. Is it only me that still likes a silver car? Silver is an honest colour, elegant on a good car design and hides nothing on a bad design. Desingners can't hide behind daytime running lights to sharpen up the looks. Probably why so many new car PR photo's are in black or grey, in darkened rooms. It's a great colour and easier to keep clean IMO.
Agree that some cars do look great in Silver though.
legless said:
Barchettaman said:
Some post-sale research revealed that the gearbox struggles with the higher torque of the V6 Diesel unit. I seem to remember that it’s a Toyota-sourced transmission.
It uses the Aisin Warner AWF21 transmission - probably the most ubiquitous transverse 6-speed auto from the mid 2000s. Unfortunately, the 2.7 V6 diesel's maximum torque of 440Nm is right at the limit of what the gearbox was designed for, and this shows. To my knowledge, nobody else pushed it quite this high - the Volvo D5s that also used it were around 400Nm.
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