Re : £35k Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio | Spotted
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Value wise they are roughly inline with M3’s and the like - problems with these are relatively non existent - only thing is the patchy dealer network
Oddly I was looking just the other day at how cheap c63’s are (non-s models), pre reg cars @£50k makes this look expensive
This having lost £25k is not bad for an almost 3 year higher miles standard spec car. Yes it will depreciate a bit more but it will soften - plenty are now wanting these as they go into hot hatch territory and despite what some might say about the odd car, the forums and dealer network all basically say these have been rock solid
Oddly I was looking just the other day at how cheap c63’s are (non-s models), pre reg cars @£50k makes this look expensive
This having lost £25k is not bad for an almost 3 year higher miles standard spec car. Yes it will depreciate a bit more but it will soften - plenty are now wanting these as they go into hot hatch territory and despite what some might say about the odd car, the forums and dealer network all basically say these have been rock solid
I have one of these and I love it. Like any car it’s a trade off as it rare that any single car is perfect in every respect. I’m happy to trade the slightly cheaper feeling interior (and scary fuel use!) for all of the other good things. I’ve driven this back to back with M3 Comp and they are completely different in terms of philosophy and character - horses for courses.
Having seen the current plans for the Alfa model line up, I seriously fear that these will be the “last great” Alfa as opposed to the start of a new age of greatness :-(
Having seen the current plans for the Alfa model line up, I seriously fear that these will be the “last great” Alfa as opposed to the start of a new age of greatness :-(
thegreenhell said:
I was pleasantly surprised to learn that there are more than 850 of these registered in this country. I somehow imagined they'd only sold about 12, considering Alfa's reputation in this country, and most people's obsession with Teutonic blandness.
Don't worry, I suspect 825 of them are grey. Edited by Leftfootwonder on Monday 6th January 19:41
I'd love a QF...but I've experienced the full cost of Alfa ownership and part availability first hand....I'm not convinced I'd want to put my wallet on the line for a car like this. I'd probably get too scared and go with a Veloce.
There's no way I'd run a car like this (inc M3/4 or AMG) without a backed dealer warranty, some of the potential bills must be eye watering. Which is where the issue is - as per the AlfaOwner forum, only certain dealers will extend the official MOPAR warranty, and even then there seems to be questions about how official it is, with members being given different information depending on who they talk to. Seems like a proper mess.
Also worth bearing in mind that the 2017 cars only have 3 year warranties (so will be dropping out now) and 2018+ cars have 5 year warranties, which is far more appealing.
The new 2020 QF will be available this year too, so I'm expecting to see another price shift.
bilo999 said:
Value wise they are roughly inline with M3’s and the like - problems with these are relatively non existent - only thing is the patchy dealer network
And patchy warranty extensions.There's no way I'd run a car like this (inc M3/4 or AMG) without a backed dealer warranty, some of the potential bills must be eye watering. Which is where the issue is - as per the AlfaOwner forum, only certain dealers will extend the official MOPAR warranty, and even then there seems to be questions about how official it is, with members being given different information depending on who they talk to. Seems like a proper mess.
Also worth bearing in mind that the 2017 cars only have 3 year warranties (so will be dropping out now) and 2018+ cars have 5 year warranties, which is far more appealing.
The new 2020 QF will be available this year too, so I'm expecting to see another price shift.
Helicopter123 said:
Typical Alfa.
Lovely car, financial suicide.
Really?Lovely car, financial suicide.
I presume you never owned one. I’ve had 4, still got 2 now.
First bought £2100, 3 years 45k miles more sold 1500
Next bought 10k, sold 8 months later, 10k
Next bought for 4K in 2012, still got it added 30k now worth 11k
Next bought 18 months ago for 5k, worth 4.5k now.
Bought a BMW330i once for 23k, had it 6 years and got 7.5k back.
Think I’ll stick with Alfa’s.
Love these and the fact that they’re actually pretty an good is ace. A nice option instead of the usually M3 / C63 which are fab in their own right too.
I think these look fab in the flesh and ones I’ve seen had lovely paint that really popped in the sunlight.
My biggest concern would not be the car itself but the dealers which do sound a bit pants.
I think these look fab in the flesh and ones I’ve seen had lovely paint that really popped in the sunlight.
My biggest concern would not be the car itself but the dealers which do sound a bit pants.
Murph7355 said:
Jim on the hill said:
fluffekins said:
I wish they'd make an estate version of this.
This Then maybe an estate. But with 4WD I'd buy now to replace my RS4.
parabolica said:
Murph7355 said:
Jim on the hill said:
fluffekins said:
I wish they'd make an estate version of this.
This Then maybe an estate. But with 4WD I'd buy now to replace my RS4.
I had one as a hire car for 3 days. It’s the only car I’ve ever driven that I didn’t want in “sport” mode. I must be getting old because the combination of rock solid suspension and overly sensitive accelerator made me feel travel-sick driving it.
In “comfort” mode it was lovely (if a noticeable step behind the German equivalent interior).
I also had Stelvio QF for a few days and surprised myself how much I liked it, as I’m not an SUV fan on the whole.
In “comfort” mode it was lovely (if a noticeable step behind the German equivalent interior).
I also had Stelvio QF for a few days and surprised myself how much I liked it, as I’m not an SUV fan on the whole.
MattyB_ said:
Also worth bearing in mind that the 2017 cars only have 3 year warranties (so will be dropping out now) and 2018+ cars have 5 year warranties, which is far more appealing.
The new 2020 QF will be available this year too, so I'm expecting to see another price shift.
I wasn't aware of the warranty thing. That's a pretty big factor. The new 2020 QF will be available this year too, so I'm expecting to see another price shift.
I'd be interested to see what potential weak spots there are and how much they cost.
I posted on the FB page, but will post similar here.
I currently own a 2017 Monte Carlo blue Giulia Quad with *cough* 56k on the clock. I've owned the car since August. I came to Alfa from a Volvo V60 Polestar, and prior to that, a B7 RS4.
I'll start off by saying that I wasn't actually looking to buy one - I was invited along to a dealership opening with the promise of free food and a passenger ride in one (they had me at free food to be honest!). After the passenger ride, I was coerced in to a test drive a few days later.....
Before buying the car, I did a lot of research in to the reliability of them, because like a lot of posters on this threat, the old Alfa reliability tag was in my mind. I was also fully expecting the dealership experience to be woeful, as that appears to be the thing that lets the marque down. On my test drive the sales girl spent the 2 hours I was with her telling me that the horror stories were all old hat, and that they didn't suffer issues. Then as I pulled back in to the dealership it flashed up a fault (after some research: common issue with the front adaptive aero and an easy fix). My car has been back to my local dealer twice since I bought it - the first time for the rear screen demist / auto stop/start not working (a known fault). The first visit did not sort the issue, so it went back in a few weeks later (I anticipated it though, as the fix that was initially carried out seems to be the standard 'try thing A, if that doesn't work move on to thing B that is more expensive to fix'). On the morning of the second trip to the dealer, I noticed another issue and flagged it up - both the demist issue and the other issue (slightly warped fuel filler cap - again a known issue) were fixed within a day without any quibble.
So far, I can honestly say, the Alfa is the best car I've ever owned. The running costs are slightly cheaper than a 15 year old B7 RS4 (to be expected), and the Polestar - compared to the Polestar, tyres are cheaper, tax is cheaper, insurance is slightly cheaper, MPG is better. Servicing costs are roughly comparative, or maybe a little more on the Alfa (Alfa needs servicing every 9000 miles compared to every 12k, but have a 'cheap, 'medium' and 'expensive' service), brakes are cheaper (front disks and pads on the Volvo are nearly as expensive as disks / pads all round on the Alfa). Yes, the B pillars are a little wider than normal, but like any car and its individual foibles / design flaws, you get used to it and work around it - I'm 6'3" and 15 stone, so not quite as large as Clarkson, but certainly not a midget!). The performance of the car is fantastic, it sounds great and handles well (especially when not on the Corsa tyres fitted as standard). Talking of tyres, because they're a slightly odd size on the Alfa, tyre choice is limited, but not insurmountable. I can't really fault the interior plastics / trim either - more than acceptable for my needs (maybe I have low standards, who knows?) and after 56k no rattles or squeaks from inside the cabin. The Volvo was on a '64' plate and had done 52K when I sold it - the cabin was starting to rattle annoyingly from somewhere and had various squeaks etc
In comparison - the Polestar was a good, understated car. However, my dealership experience with 2 main dealers was woeful (probably because they're so rare that they don't see them very often) - from one dealership telling me in no uncertain terms that the dampers were electronically adjustable (they're not, they're manually adjustable) and then telling me the wrong amount of brake fluid to provide for a fluid change (uprated fluid for some track work), to the selling dealership replacing front disks 3 times in a 9 week period under warranty due to excessive warping but refusing to change the pads (the first time they said pads with 500 miles on were fine to put on to new disks), and then expecting me to stump up £460 each subsequent time for new pads (I didn't pay for the pads - after lots of arguing, they covered the cost of those too). By comparison, my Alfa dealer experience so far has been really good. My Alfa connect app has also stopped working (Volvo owners had a similar issue) - Alfa Customer Services in Italy have also been really good with it, and it's in on Friday for them to sort it (turn it off and back on again no doubt) so all in all, I can't at this stage complain.
My only real complaint (which I can't even complain about, because I knew about it before I bought it) is the rear seats not folding flat (this was changed on, I think, 2018 cars onwards, so the rear seats fold down), so I've lost a fair bit of practicality. I didn't think it would be an issue, but a couple of times I've wished I could have got more in the back of the car!
To anyone considering buying one - don't let the old Alfa stories put you off - go and have a look at one. Go and test drive one, but make sure you find a good dealer!
I currently own a 2017 Monte Carlo blue Giulia Quad with *cough* 56k on the clock. I've owned the car since August. I came to Alfa from a Volvo V60 Polestar, and prior to that, a B7 RS4.
I'll start off by saying that I wasn't actually looking to buy one - I was invited along to a dealership opening with the promise of free food and a passenger ride in one (they had me at free food to be honest!). After the passenger ride, I was coerced in to a test drive a few days later.....
Before buying the car, I did a lot of research in to the reliability of them, because like a lot of posters on this threat, the old Alfa reliability tag was in my mind. I was also fully expecting the dealership experience to be woeful, as that appears to be the thing that lets the marque down. On my test drive the sales girl spent the 2 hours I was with her telling me that the horror stories were all old hat, and that they didn't suffer issues. Then as I pulled back in to the dealership it flashed up a fault (after some research: common issue with the front adaptive aero and an easy fix). My car has been back to my local dealer twice since I bought it - the first time for the rear screen demist / auto stop/start not working (a known fault). The first visit did not sort the issue, so it went back in a few weeks later (I anticipated it though, as the fix that was initially carried out seems to be the standard 'try thing A, if that doesn't work move on to thing B that is more expensive to fix'). On the morning of the second trip to the dealer, I noticed another issue and flagged it up - both the demist issue and the other issue (slightly warped fuel filler cap - again a known issue) were fixed within a day without any quibble.
So far, I can honestly say, the Alfa is the best car I've ever owned. The running costs are slightly cheaper than a 15 year old B7 RS4 (to be expected), and the Polestar - compared to the Polestar, tyres are cheaper, tax is cheaper, insurance is slightly cheaper, MPG is better. Servicing costs are roughly comparative, or maybe a little more on the Alfa (Alfa needs servicing every 9000 miles compared to every 12k, but have a 'cheap, 'medium' and 'expensive' service), brakes are cheaper (front disks and pads on the Volvo are nearly as expensive as disks / pads all round on the Alfa). Yes, the B pillars are a little wider than normal, but like any car and its individual foibles / design flaws, you get used to it and work around it - I'm 6'3" and 15 stone, so not quite as large as Clarkson, but certainly not a midget!). The performance of the car is fantastic, it sounds great and handles well (especially when not on the Corsa tyres fitted as standard). Talking of tyres, because they're a slightly odd size on the Alfa, tyre choice is limited, but not insurmountable. I can't really fault the interior plastics / trim either - more than acceptable for my needs (maybe I have low standards, who knows?) and after 56k no rattles or squeaks from inside the cabin. The Volvo was on a '64' plate and had done 52K when I sold it - the cabin was starting to rattle annoyingly from somewhere and had various squeaks etc
In comparison - the Polestar was a good, understated car. However, my dealership experience with 2 main dealers was woeful (probably because they're so rare that they don't see them very often) - from one dealership telling me in no uncertain terms that the dampers were electronically adjustable (they're not, they're manually adjustable) and then telling me the wrong amount of brake fluid to provide for a fluid change (uprated fluid for some track work), to the selling dealership replacing front disks 3 times in a 9 week period under warranty due to excessive warping but refusing to change the pads (the first time they said pads with 500 miles on were fine to put on to new disks), and then expecting me to stump up £460 each subsequent time for new pads (I didn't pay for the pads - after lots of arguing, they covered the cost of those too). By comparison, my Alfa dealer experience so far has been really good. My Alfa connect app has also stopped working (Volvo owners had a similar issue) - Alfa Customer Services in Italy have also been really good with it, and it's in on Friday for them to sort it (turn it off and back on again no doubt) so all in all, I can't at this stage complain.
My only real complaint (which I can't even complain about, because I knew about it before I bought it) is the rear seats not folding flat (this was changed on, I think, 2018 cars onwards, so the rear seats fold down), so I've lost a fair bit of practicality. I didn't think it would be an issue, but a couple of times I've wished I could have got more in the back of the car!
To anyone considering buying one - don't let the old Alfa stories put you off - go and have a look at one. Go and test drive one, but make sure you find a good dealer!
mustdash said:
I posted on the FB page, but will post similar here.
I currently own a 2017 Monte Carlo blue Giulia Quad with *cough* 56k on the clock. I've owned the car since August. I came to Alfa from a Volvo V60 Polestar, and prior to that, a B7 RS4.
I'll start off by saying that I wasn't actually looking to buy one - I was invited along to a dealership opening with the promise of free food and a passenger ride in one (they had me at free food to be honest!). After the passenger ride, I was coerced in to a test drive a few days later.....
Before buying the car, I did a lot of research in to the reliability of them, because like a lot of posters on this threat, the old Alfa reliability tag was in my mind. I was also fully expecting the dealership experience to be woeful, as that appears to be the thing that lets the marque down. On my test drive the sales girl spent the 2 hours I was with her telling me that the horror stories were all old hat, and that they didn't suffer issues. Then as I pulled back in to the dealership it flashed up a fault (after some research: common issue with the front adaptive aero and an easy fix). My car has been back to my local dealer twice since I bought it - the first time for the rear screen demist / auto stop/start not working (a known fault). The first visit did not sort the issue, so it went back in a few weeks later (I anticipated it though, as the fix that was initially carried out seems to be the standard 'try thing A, if that doesn't work move on to thing B that is more expensive to fix'). On the morning of the second trip to the dealer, I noticed another issue and flagged it up - both the demist issue and the other issue (slightly warped fuel filler cap - again a known issue) were fixed within a day without any quibble.
So far, I can honestly say, the Alfa is the best car I've ever owned. The running costs are slightly cheaper than a 15 year old B7 RS4 (to be expected), and the Polestar - compared to the Polestar, tyres are cheaper, tax is cheaper, insurance is slightly cheaper, MPG is better. Servicing costs are roughly comparative, or maybe a little more on the Alfa (Alfa needs servicing every 9000 miles compared to every 12k, but have a 'cheap, 'medium' and 'expensive' service), brakes are cheaper (front disks and pads on the Volvo are nearly as expensive as disks / pads all round on the Alfa). Yes, the B pillars are a little wider than normal, but like any car and its individual foibles / design flaws, you get used to it and work around it - I'm 6'3" and 15 stone, so not quite as large as Clarkson, but certainly not a midget!). The performance of the car is fantastic, it sounds great and handles well (especially when not on the Corsa tyres fitted as standard). Talking of tyres, because they're a slightly odd size on the Alfa, tyre choice is limited, but not insurmountable. I can't really fault the interior plastics / trim either - more than acceptable for my needs (maybe I have low standards, who knows?) and after 56k no rattles or squeaks from inside the cabin. The Volvo was on a '64' plate and had done 52K when I sold it - the cabin was starting to rattle annoyingly from somewhere and had various squeaks etc
In comparison - the Polestar was a good, understated car. However, my dealership experience with 2 main dealers was woeful (probably because they're so rare that they don't see them very often) - from one dealership telling me in no uncertain terms that the dampers were electronically adjustable (they're not, they're manually adjustable) and then telling me the wrong amount of brake fluid to provide for a fluid change (uprated fluid for some track work), to the selling dealership replacing front disks 3 times in a 9 week period under warranty due to excessive warping but refusing to change the pads (the first time they said pads with 500 miles on were fine to put on to new disks), and then expecting me to stump up £460 each subsequent time for new pads (I didn't pay for the pads - after lots of arguing, they covered the cost of those too). By comparison, my Alfa dealer experience so far has been really good. My Alfa connect app has also stopped working (Volvo owners had a similar issue) - Alfa Customer Services in Italy have also been really good with it, and it's in on Friday for them to sort it (turn it off and back on again no doubt) so all in all, I can't at this stage complain.
My only real complaint (which I can't even complain about, because I knew about it before I bought it) is the rear seats not folding flat (this was changed on, I think, 2018 cars onwards, so the rear seats fold down), so I've lost a fair bit of practicality. I didn't think it would be an issue, but a couple of times I've wished I could have got more in the back of the car!
To anyone considering buying one - don't let the old Alfa stories put you off - go and have a look at one. Go and test drive one, but make sure you find a good dealer!
First of all, I have to apologise to you!I currently own a 2017 Monte Carlo blue Giulia Quad with *cough* 56k on the clock. I've owned the car since August. I came to Alfa from a Volvo V60 Polestar, and prior to that, a B7 RS4.
I'll start off by saying that I wasn't actually looking to buy one - I was invited along to a dealership opening with the promise of free food and a passenger ride in one (they had me at free food to be honest!). After the passenger ride, I was coerced in to a test drive a few days later.....
Before buying the car, I did a lot of research in to the reliability of them, because like a lot of posters on this threat, the old Alfa reliability tag was in my mind. I was also fully expecting the dealership experience to be woeful, as that appears to be the thing that lets the marque down. On my test drive the sales girl spent the 2 hours I was with her telling me that the horror stories were all old hat, and that they didn't suffer issues. Then as I pulled back in to the dealership it flashed up a fault (after some research: common issue with the front adaptive aero and an easy fix). My car has been back to my local dealer twice since I bought it - the first time for the rear screen demist / auto stop/start not working (a known fault). The first visit did not sort the issue, so it went back in a few weeks later (I anticipated it though, as the fix that was initially carried out seems to be the standard 'try thing A, if that doesn't work move on to thing B that is more expensive to fix'). On the morning of the second trip to the dealer, I noticed another issue and flagged it up - both the demist issue and the other issue (slightly warped fuel filler cap - again a known issue) were fixed within a day without any quibble.
So far, I can honestly say, the Alfa is the best car I've ever owned. The running costs are slightly cheaper than a 15 year old B7 RS4 (to be expected), and the Polestar - compared to the Polestar, tyres are cheaper, tax is cheaper, insurance is slightly cheaper, MPG is better. Servicing costs are roughly comparative, or maybe a little more on the Alfa (Alfa needs servicing every 9000 miles compared to every 12k, but have a 'cheap, 'medium' and 'expensive' service), brakes are cheaper (front disks and pads on the Volvo are nearly as expensive as disks / pads all round on the Alfa). Yes, the B pillars are a little wider than normal, but like any car and its individual foibles / design flaws, you get used to it and work around it - I'm 6'3" and 15 stone, so not quite as large as Clarkson, but certainly not a midget!). The performance of the car is fantastic, it sounds great and handles well (especially when not on the Corsa tyres fitted as standard). Talking of tyres, because they're a slightly odd size on the Alfa, tyre choice is limited, but not insurmountable. I can't really fault the interior plastics / trim either - more than acceptable for my needs (maybe I have low standards, who knows?) and after 56k no rattles or squeaks from inside the cabin. The Volvo was on a '64' plate and had done 52K when I sold it - the cabin was starting to rattle annoyingly from somewhere and had various squeaks etc
In comparison - the Polestar was a good, understated car. However, my dealership experience with 2 main dealers was woeful (probably because they're so rare that they don't see them very often) - from one dealership telling me in no uncertain terms that the dampers were electronically adjustable (they're not, they're manually adjustable) and then telling me the wrong amount of brake fluid to provide for a fluid change (uprated fluid for some track work), to the selling dealership replacing front disks 3 times in a 9 week period under warranty due to excessive warping but refusing to change the pads (the first time they said pads with 500 miles on were fine to put on to new disks), and then expecting me to stump up £460 each subsequent time for new pads (I didn't pay for the pads - after lots of arguing, they covered the cost of those too). By comparison, my Alfa dealer experience so far has been really good. My Alfa connect app has also stopped working (Volvo owners had a similar issue) - Alfa Customer Services in Italy have also been really good with it, and it's in on Friday for them to sort it (turn it off and back on again no doubt) so all in all, I can't at this stage complain.
My only real complaint (which I can't even complain about, because I knew about it before I bought it) is the rear seats not folding flat (this was changed on, I think, 2018 cars onwards, so the rear seats fold down), so I've lost a fair bit of practicality. I didn't think it would be an issue, but a couple of times I've wished I could have got more in the back of the car!
To anyone considering buying one - don't let the old Alfa stories put you off - go and have a look at one. Go and test drive one, but make sure you find a good dealer!
The moment I scrolled down and saw the length of your post, my immediate thought was: 'oh god, it's one of 'them' people again, spouting dribble like they are an authority and that anyone cares'.
And then I started reading, and was transfixed till the end! Excellent real life report there my man, very refreshing to read such a detailed and honest 'review', and heartening to hear too, being a fan of Alfas myself (even if none of them fit my needs: my daily workhorse is a 3 litre diesel A6 Avant, and it REALLY is a workhorse - 208,000 miles and counting, so you can see I don't really have a choice!
). So I apologise once again for my immediate reaction to seeing the length of it...... it's still very early in the morning, but yes, I do feel like a bit of a tit now!!!
As others have said before, Ooohhhh, this in an Estate version!! I'm just looking at the pictures again, and imagining in my head what it could potentially look like with an extended roof - fuggin' gorgeous!
Of course it will never happen as the market is just far, far too small for it, but my word - how fantastic would that be? Any good graphic artists out there fancy rendering up a few images for us...... just for pure torture?
Of course it will never happen as the market is just far, far too small for it, but my word - how fantastic would that be? Any good graphic artists out there fancy rendering up a few images for us...... just for pure torture?
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