Subaru vs bike head on collision.
Discussion
Pooh said:
Baldchap said:
As a biker, I find it astonishing (and occasionally terrifying) just how often cars end up on the wrong side of the road on blind crests and bends.
It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
It's not just car drivers, I once met a biker coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of a solid white line whilst he was overtaking a tractor, I pulled as far to the left as I could and he passed between me and the tractor, he was lucky that the road was just wide enough and I was paying attention. It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
He was the last bike in a group and was presumably trying to follow the rest of the group past the tractor and not get left behind as they had some fun on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkAT82-R0S8&fe... , I was also having fun in my Maserati.
This was a tragic accident and I have huge sympathy for the innocent victim whose life will never be the same again but some people on here would do well to remember that we are human and all make mistakes, sending the driver to prison for years for an accident achieves absolutely nothing. He was not driving particularly fast or recklessly, he misjudged one corner and if there had been nobody coming the other way there would have been no consequences.
SlimJim16v said:
I don’t agree, he panicked and just hit the brakes. I'm sure a lot more than 0.01% of people would've somehow tried to steer either left or right to avoid hitting him.
Recently I had a stationary learner biker completely on my side as I came around a blind uphill corner and I managed to steer away, but I saw the whites of his eyes 
Edited by Captain Smerc on Saturday 11th January 19:27
ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
What a thopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
t. And what do those links have to do with anything related to this thread?
Turbo cab said:
Pooh said:
Baldchap said:
As a biker, I find it astonishing (and occasionally terrifying) just how often cars end up on the wrong side of the road on blind crests and bends.
It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
It's not just car drivers, I once met a biker coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of a solid white line whilst he was overtaking a tractor, I pulled as far to the left as I could and he passed between me and the tractor, he was lucky that the road was just wide enough and I was paying attention. It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
He was the last bike in a group and was presumably trying to follow the rest of the group past the tractor and not get left behind as they had some fun on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkAT82-R0S8&fe... , I was also having fun in my Maserati.
This was a tragic accident and I have huge sympathy for the innocent victim whose life will never be the same again but some people on here would do well to remember that we are human and all make mistakes, sending the driver to prison for years for an accident achieves absolutely nothing. He was not driving particularly fast or recklessly, he misjudged one corner and if there had been nobody coming the other way there would have been no consequences.
Dont like rolls said:
Wills2 said:
I agree, seems very harsh from the footage shown seemed like a tragic accident caused by a mistake not by reckless/dangerous driving.
How about he swaps places with the biker then, broken back etc etc etc....is that fair then ?JulianHJ said:
rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
This incident seems very similar to 10PenceShort's experience by the look of it.Add in youtube idiots like LLF and it is inevitable this will happen again
SidewaysSi said:
ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
What a thopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
t. And what do those links have to do with anything related to this thread?
You make me think about selling it.
What an absolute
ish thing to say.Baldchap said:
As a biker, I find it astonishing (and occasionally terrifying) just how often cars end up on the wrong side of the road on blind crests and bends.
It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
Yet the majority of bike accidents are single vehicle , again with the majority of those bikers unable to take a bend properly.It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
I’ve ridden bikes myself for 40 years off and on but we are own own worst enemies sometimes.
Joey Deacon said:
JulianHJ said:
rallycross said:
For all those who go out in convoy for a blast just keep this accident in the back of your mind one slip up where you push too hard and run wide could kill someone, save it for the track.
This incident seems very similar to 10PenceShort's experience by the look of it.Add in youtube idiots like LLF and it is inevitable this will happen again
Speed wasn't the problem, not paying attention was...
Sorry if it's already been covered (I haven't read the whole thread) but this road is known as Strines in the Peak District. I enjoy it regularly on my way to Hope to go mountain biking. That particular corner comes after a long fast section and its misleadingly tight .... very easy to get caught out as has happened here. No excuses though when you hit a biker head on!! Poor guy.
rxe said:
GC8 said:
I think that we can be divided into two groups when watching the video: those who immediately think ‘steer right!’, and those who think ‘what? what?’
Hopefully everyone here (and on the roads) is in the former group. Sadly, it appears, most are not.
If you think that I am wrong, then know that I think that you should take the bus.
Honestly, I think most of us would do precisely what he did - mash the brakes and freeze.Hopefully everyone here (and on the roads) is in the former group. Sadly, it appears, most are not.
If you think that I am wrong, then know that I think that you should take the bus.
Theres also the dilemma if they both pull to the same side they can still both come together, but not have the benefit of speed reduction of heavy braking in a straight line.
The logical action for UK roads would be for the bike to go left and the car to try and go left or brake in a straight line if they can't turn left. The biker at a guess has more reaction time, their vehicle is stable and is slowing or anticipating to slow for the corner so could try and go to the left. They don't want to go right as that's likely to get them hitting anyone else coming around the corner.
But target fixation and both brake in a straight line. There's no time to make a sound decision so it comes down to reflexes and instinct. Road driving doesn't train your reflexes for this no matter how good you are.
The Subaru driver doesn’t know it’s a corner. He thinks it’s a blind crest.
He doesn’t slow at all as he approaches the corner. He doesn’t position to take a sharp corner in the approach.
There’s no road markings indicating a corner, no signs, no turn in arrows, no change in the centre line approaching the corner showing no overtaking nearing a corner. There’s no chevron signs showing a sharp corner. There appears to be no signage or paint markings at all indicating a pretty sharp, blind off camber bend.
Additional to that , the corner tightens and them falls away off camber so the car would have gone light on the front end. As he brakes and turns, the Subaru’s tail wags slightly showing he’s correcting over steer under braking.
It would be interesting to know if he’s driven this road previously.
I think he thinks it’s a straight road, there are few clues that it isn’t, and I think that because he thinks it’s straight he may have taken his eye off the road ahead, perhaps checking rear view or instruments or something. No way he’s checking his phone or similar, that would have shown in a worst approach to the corner. I think if he was hooning he’d have been more switched on.
It is a sobering reminder at just how quick that things can go wrong. Subaru drivers attention slips for a couple of seconds at exactly the wrong time.
He doesn’t slow at all as he approaches the corner. He doesn’t position to take a sharp corner in the approach.
There’s no road markings indicating a corner, no signs, no turn in arrows, no change in the centre line approaching the corner showing no overtaking nearing a corner. There’s no chevron signs showing a sharp corner. There appears to be no signage or paint markings at all indicating a pretty sharp, blind off camber bend.
Additional to that , the corner tightens and them falls away off camber so the car would have gone light on the front end. As he brakes and turns, the Subaru’s tail wags slightly showing he’s correcting over steer under braking.
It would be interesting to know if he’s driven this road previously.
I think he thinks it’s a straight road, there are few clues that it isn’t, and I think that because he thinks it’s straight he may have taken his eye off the road ahead, perhaps checking rear view or instruments or something. No way he’s checking his phone or similar, that would have shown in a worst approach to the corner. I think if he was hooning he’d have been more switched on.
It is a sobering reminder at just how quick that things can go wrong. Subaru drivers attention slips for a couple of seconds at exactly the wrong time.
Looking at the video and the street view, an experienced driver would have seen clues to a possible left hand bend. You certainly can't be sure it's a straight road, so should be driving accordingly.
Oh, the other thing, is using Sat-Nav, especially on unfamiliar roads. Not only is it a must for speed cameras, it also gives you advance notice if the road is straight or bends.
Oh, the other thing, is using Sat-Nav, especially on unfamiliar roads. Not only is it a must for speed cameras, it also gives you advance notice if the road is straight or bends.
Edited by SlimJim16v on Saturday 11th January 23:35
SidewaysSi said:
ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
What a thopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
t. And what do those links have to do with anything related to this thread?
of himself. 1430 said:
What actually caused him to run wide, maybe the dashcam footage is deceptive but it looks like any car could take that corner with ease?
Agree. Plus a panic reaction. If he had been slow in -fast out, and keeping an eye on the vanishing point, the balance of the car would have been fine. I am afraid I don’t buy this ‘no signs, no chevrons, no arrows’ lark, adequate visual clues.I hope the biker recovers adequately.
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