Subaru vs bike head on collision.
Discussion
A1VDY said:
The problem here with talk of vanishing point, heel and toe, racing line, cornering at 0.8g ect ect is that we're talking of the public roads here.
All this b
ks needs to be kept for the track..
Woah, steady! You'll trigger the "skilled road drivers", who always use trail braking, flat shifting, and a dab of oppo on their way to their local Tesco. All this b
ks needs to be kept for the track.. popeyewhite said:
GC8 said:
People should calm down about Eric.
This. Give it a rest please it just looks like bullying disguised as faux outrage now and it's no worse than many other comments dotted around the forum.A lot of posters feel that many/most drivers would do nothing more than just stand on the brakes and hope for the best, a depressing thought and one borne out by what we saw. I think that a lot of drivers would've also impulsively yanked/swerved to the left to try to get back over, and would've spun off the road to the left. The more considered action would've been to simply run off the road on the right, and there does seem to be an absolute age, at least a full second if not longer, to have processed these options, and yet he does nothing? How he ended up in a head on with so much time and space available with his speed rapidly decreasing is beyond me in my armchair (see first line above) 
Jim on the hill said:
popeyewhite said:
GC8 said:
People should calm down about Eric.
This. Give it a rest please it just looks like bullying disguised as faux outrage now and it's no worse than many other comments dotted around the forum.t in general.0ddball said:
A1VDY said:
The problem here with talk of vanishing point, heel and toe, racing line, cornering at 0.8g ect ect is that we're talking of the public roads here.
All this bks needs to be kept for the track..
Woah, steady! You'll trigger the "skilled road drivers", who always use trail braking, flat shifting, and a dab of oppo on their way to their local All this b
ks needs to be kept for the track.. fausTVR said:
I haven't read all posts but that corner was off camber, that's why the car washed out wide like that. 100% driver error of course, way too fast there for that reason. Only local knowledge and skilled driving could have avoided that. Shame he didn't stuff it in the verge but we are kind of conditioned to keep on the road no matter what.
If it's off camber it's marginal. This is the street view into the corner from the opposite direction.
I don't think the speed, camber or the car were an issue with why it didn't make it round the corner.
fausTVR said:
I hope the poor sod on the bike makes a good recovery.
Agreed.21st Century Man said:
A lot of posters feel that many/most drivers would do nothing more than just stand on the brakes and hope for the best, a depressing thought and one borne out by what we saw. I think that a lot of drivers would've also impulsively yanked/swerved to the left to try to get back over, and would've spun off the road to the left. The more considered action would've been to simply run off the road on the right, and there does seem to be an absolute age, at least a full second if not longer, to have processed these options, and yet he does nothing? How he ended up in a head on with so much time and space available with his speed rapidly decreasing is beyond me in my armchair (see first line above)
A second is not an absolute age. Reaction time alone is between 0.3-3 seconds and the marker is 1.5 seconds, so the accident has happened before hes even had chance to react. Everyone here has the benefit of watching the video multiple times knowing what happens, but I would bet that on the incident done 99/100 of us would have done the same. At the time he wasnt going excessively fast, and there must be more to it to get that charge from previous driving. That or he will appeal and have it quashed.I somehow survived a head on smash, caused by two lying scum, smashing into my R1, head on @ speed on my side of the road, in their Merc. The pain both physical and mental, with be with me for the rest of my life. She moved their car back to the correct side of the road before plod arrived and lied her head off in court ( “As I stand before de Lord, he hit our car “ ......
All the lying bh received, was a £975 fine and 5 points. I got regally shafted by the “ Specialist biker solicitor - “ We Are On Your Side “ whom I was stupidly duped into using and also incompetant Essex plod.
My thoughts go out to the biker. I wish him a speedy recovery. I don’t personally think that the Suburu driver deserved the sentence he received.
Whether his tires were old or some other fault / faults were present with his car, we don’t know.
All the lying b
h received, was a £975 fine and 5 points. I got regally shafted by the “ Specialist biker solicitor - “ We Are On Your Side “ whom I was stupidly duped into using and also incompetant Essex plod. My thoughts go out to the biker. I wish him a speedy recovery. I don’t personally think that the Suburu driver deserved the sentence he received.
Whether his tires were old or some other fault / faults were present with his car, we don’t know.
Edited by neutral 3 on Sunday 12th January 12:43
Edited by neutral 3 on Sunday 12th January 12:49
Weezywee said:
21st Century Man said:
A lot of posters feel that many/most drivers would do nothing more than just stand on the brakes and hope for the best, a depressing thought and one borne out by what we saw. I think that a lot of drivers would've also impulsively yanked/swerved to the left to try to get back over, and would've spun off the road to the left. The more considered action would've been to simply run off the road on the right, and there does seem to be an absolute age, at least a full second if not longer, to have processed these options, and yet he does nothing? How he ended up in a head on with so much time and space available with his speed rapidly decreasing is beyond me in my armchair (see first line above)
A second is not an absolute age. Reaction time alone is between 0.3-3 seconds and the marker is 1.5 seconds, so the accident has happened before hes even had chance to react. Everyone here has the benefit of watching the video multiple times knowing what happens, but I would bet that on the incident done 99/100 of us would have done the same. At the time he wasnt going excessively fast, and there must be more to it to get that charge from previous driving. That or he will appeal and have it quashed.He did slow before the corner, from indicated almost 70 down to 60, and the time from going wide to hitting the bike was so small that I highly doubt most people would have done anything other than brake as hard as possible. It's not a natural reaction to turn away from the road and most people won't do it, they will brake and hope they stop in time, only in exceptional circumstances would they actively choose to crash their car in preference to braking as hard as possible.
The car following used the same line and looked like it was either braking very hard or got very twitchy at around the 0:25 mark, almost ending up crossing the centre line also.
As said in the other thread, the lead car just didn't appear to steer around the corner tightly so I wonder if they knew the road and typically exit that corner wide as its quite bumpy and has a long straight after it, and on this occasion it ended up with a very bad outcome.
Weezywee said:
A second is not an absolute age. Reaction time alone is between 0.3-3 seconds and the marker is 1.5 seconds
0.3 is about right, average reaction time is 0.25Up to 3 seconds doesn't sound right as within a normal range to me, you'd be running into the back of people in ordinary traffic and would certainly fail a driving test.
‘There but for the grace of God go I’. I’m sure many of us (PH driving Gods excepted) know the feeling of a tightening-on-exit corner and how it can put you in a less than ideal road position. But IME this only normally comes into play when driving let’s say ‘enthusiastically’, this incident is different as the speeds are not mental. As others have said It does look like a case of lack of attention or distraction. I seriously think you can discount understeer, assuming the road is dry and in good condition and the tyres are A1, the amount of mechanical grip an Impreza has is significant, they simply do not slide across the road at 50mph.
From the footage and Google Maps I am a bit surprised the corner is not signed, or has ‘slow’ road paint or chevrons. Or is it comparatively not that severe for the Peaks (otherwise it’d be wall-to-wall signage up there I’d have thought)?
The ‘air’ the poor biker gets is
though. Here’s hoping he can make the best recovery possible.
From the footage and Google Maps I am a bit surprised the corner is not signed, or has ‘slow’ road paint or chevrons. Or is it comparatively not that severe for the Peaks (otherwise it’d be wall-to-wall signage up there I’d have thought)?
The ‘air’ the poor biker gets is
though. Here’s hoping he can make the best recovery possible.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff