Subaru vs bike head on collision.
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Paul_M3 said:
Having watched the video several times, I think the sharpness of the corner surprised him and he jumped on the brakes too hard in reaction to it.
Driver clearly "caught out" by the severity of the turn, and hence travelling too fast to make it round when they suddenly realise they are going to have to load up the car 100% to try to do so. All the errors are poor observation and road positioning imo. With a proper road position and pre corner routine, not only would the driver likely have braked to loose some speed, their line into the corner would have been much better. In this case, the driver has done the classic "turn in too early cause i think i'm going to fast" thing, and hence, they have apexed very early, which has then forced the car onto the wrong side of the road later on the exit of the corner. Had they realised, they should have immediately threshold (full ABS) braked whilst travelling in a straight line for a second (loosing them about 20 mph), then turned in late and very hard, using some of the dynamic weight transfer to get the car turned in.Turing in too soon is a rooky error i have seen a lot of, because you brain goes "Sh*t Sh*t turn, turn NOW!!" when you are suprised by a turn suddenly!
You end up turned, but facing the inside kerb, and you then get thrown out to the otherside as you exit (which for a LH bend is the opposing carriageway.....)
Dont like rolls said:
jsf said:
Stop digging, the car was not the factor in this event.
Digging ? Not me for sure. I just asked about the systems on the car to help me understand. The thread I found informed me as I did not recognise the "DCCD" nomenclature.
Muchly defensive or what.
PS> I do not hear the tyres when viewing the rear camera file ....
Edited by Dont like rolls on Sunday 12th January 16:03
On loads of track days I saw scoobies understeering off the track, I think a lot of people think they defy the laws of physics and they soon find out that they do not. There is a misconception that 4wd aids cornering. That Impreza just understeered and ended up in trouble.
I feel sorry for the driver as he just over did it a bit and that added to a quick bike ended in trouble. I got a bit out of shape on a wet roundabout today in the wife’s cooper, all sorted and under control but milliseconds of difference could have been very different.
I feel sorry for the driver as he just over did it a bit and that added to a quick bike ended in trouble. I got a bit out of shape on a wet roundabout today in the wife’s cooper, all sorted and under control but milliseconds of difference could have been very different.
Pica-Pica said:
Dont like rolls said:
Pica-Pica said:
darren f said:
From the footage and Google Maps I am a bit surprised the corner is not signed, or has ‘slow’ road paint or chevrons. Or is it comparatively not that severe for the Peaks (otherwise it’d be wall-to-wall signage up there I’d have thought)?
Plenty of clues. The route of the wall is visible through the fields.
It would be a lot of signs and paint to cover all the country roads with these....it is hardly a dangerous corner is it.
Can I ask again, what stability kit/systems (obviously ABS) is fitted to this car ?
t box would make that turn. No ‘special’ stability systems needed, just turn the wheel a bit more. Very sad situation!!
popeyewhite said:
Paul_M3 said:
You can hear a squeal as he enters the corner,
No you can't. The 'noise' is after the driver misses it.(It's much more obvious when listening through the speakers on my PC than it was on my phone)
He's locked up and activated the ABS literally just before he tries to turn the sharpest part of the corner.
MDMA . said:
Keeps this off the road for 3 years. I'd ban him just for those rear lights.
Hope the rider makes a full recovery.
How his car looks has nothing to do with the way he was driving infact it'd be the opposite as this crash was caused by him not reading the road, the woman that almost killed me was driving a standard 520d it didn't stop her from ending up on my side of the road all because she was adjusting her iDrive..Hope the rider makes a full recovery.
This guy made a mistake he could've been driving a Fiesta the result would've been the same he's lost his liberty & the biker is going to be spend years rehabilitating (if at all) due to his back injuries.
No one comes out well but his car & how he decided to modify HIS car has f all to do with what happened.
The poor motorcyclist has my sympathy and I wish him a speedy recovery. I’m a little surprised the car driver pleaded guilty to ‘dangerous driving’, I thought that was quite a high bar and misjudging one corner (even badly wrong with terrible consequences) feels like ‘due care’ to me (albeit I’m far from expert). I suppose there could be much more on the dash cam that makes it more serious than a due care offence. I have to admit I find the idea that you can be locked up for 16 months for getting one corner wrong slightly worrying.
djohnson said:
The poor motorcyclist has my sympathy and I wish him a speedy recovery. I’m a little surprised the car driver pleaded guilty to ‘dangerous driving’, I thought that was quite a high bar and misjudging one corner (even badly wrong with terrible consequences) feels like ‘due care’ to me (albeit I’m far from expert). I suppose there could be much more on the dash cam that makes it more serious than a due care offence. I have to admit I find the idea that you can be locked up for 16 months for getting one corner wrong slightly worrying.
It’s not for “getting one corner wrong”. It’s for poor driving that resulted in the serious injury of another road user. It was clearly and easily avoidable, but the driver was going too fast for the conditions that put someone in hospital for a long time.djohnson said:
The poor motorcyclist has my sympathy and I wish him a speedy recovery. I’m a little surprised the car driver pleaded guilty to ‘dangerous driving’, I thought that was quite a high bar and misjudging one corner (even badly wrong with terrible consequences) feels like ‘due care’ to me (albeit I’m far from expert). I suppose there could be much more on the dash cam that makes it more serious than a due care offence. I have to admit I find the idea that you can be locked up for 16 months for getting one corner wrong slightly worrying.
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