Subaru vs bike head on collision.

Subaru vs bike head on collision.

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gazza285

6,704 posts

166 months

Saturday 11th January
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Dont like rolls said:
Freeze Frame it at o:13

Look at the verge..............comments
It's a verge?

What are you looking at, the damage on the inside?

V8RX7

20,662 posts

221 months

Saturday 11th January
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Dont like rolls said:
6 months working as a ward assistant (sluice room duties) at his local specialist Orthopaedic/Spinal unit would make more impact on the Driver than a few months in jail, it would change him forever.
^^^ good point

Shame such things aren't possible

zarjaz1991

3,154 posts

81 months

Saturday 11th January
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There are never any positives in these scenarios. frown

I feel for the biker who through no fault of his own has had his life completely destroyed for a long time, perhaps permanently, by this needless crash.

I also feel for the driver who seems to be a decent sort with no history of issues, and through a simple mistake has ended up in his prison, his life also now destroyed.

I suppose one "positive" might be that nobody was killed, but it's not much comfort. Indeed if I were the driver I'd have preferred it if I had been. Certainly I could never drive again knowing I'd been solely responsible for that.

YouTalkinToMe

4,592 posts

56 months

Saturday 11th January
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I never understand these threads that have the luxury of sitting for hours on end to analyse everything the driver 'should have done' considering the whole thing happened in a few seconds.

Not that I'm defending the driver.

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

12 months

Saturday 11th January
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gazza285 said:
It's a verge?

What are you looking at, the damage on the inside?
Yes, it narrows the road for the driver


Max_Torque

15,595 posts

175 months

Saturday 11th January
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GC8 said:
I think that we can be divided into two groups when watching the video: those who immediately think ‘steer right!’, and those who think ‘what? what?’

Hopefully everyone here (and on the roads) is in the former group. Sadly, it appears, most are not.

If you think that I am wrong, then know that I think that you should take the bus.
In reality, in sudden unexpected situations such as in this incident, very, very few people will be able to take definitive objective action. 99.99% of people will just drive straight into the thing in their way, no matter what anyone might think before or after the event!

Pooh

3,344 posts

211 months

Saturday 11th January
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Baldchap said:
As a biker, I find it astonishing (and occasionally terrifying) just how often cars end up on the wrong side of the road on blind crests and bends.

It does make me consider whether to hang up my leathers, sometimes.
It's not just car drivers, I once met a biker coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of a solid white line whilst he was overtaking a tractor, I pulled as far to the left as I could and he passed between me and the tractor, he was lucky that the road was just wide enough and I was paying attention.
He was the last bike in a group and was presumably trying to follow the rest of the group past the tractor and not get left behind as they had some fun on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkAT82-R0S8&fe... , I was also having fun in my Maserati.
This was a tragic accident and I have huge sympathy for the innocent victim whose life will never be the same again but some people on here would do well to remember that we are human and all make mistakes, sending the driver to prison for years for an accident achieves absolutely nothing. He was not driving particularly fast or recklessly, he misjudged one corner and if there had been nobody coming the other way there would have been no consequences.

ZX10R NIN

18,975 posts

83 months

Saturday 11th January
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V8RX7 said:
Which isn't much conciliation to the biker with live changing injuries.

I'm not sure what the point of an 8 month sentence is, it was a mistake that many have made and got away with, but the consequences were horrific.

Personally I'd see a lifetime ban as more appropriate.

My brother was killed by an idiot in an Impreza - he got 4 yrs (out in 2) not much for depriving my / his family of a son / brother / father
I'm not making light of the situation & I'm sorry for your loss, I met the driver who almost killed me & she was so shaken up she hadn't driven since, she told me she was navigating her iDrive & hadn't realised she'd crossed into my lane until she hit me.

I wouldn't want her banned for life despite how close I came to not being here & that I now have injuries that prevent me from walking to far etc that doesn't constitute a lifetime ban for me people are human & sometimes make mistakes which could sometimes cost someones life but I don't see a lifetime ban as an answer.

EDLT

15,269 posts

164 months

Saturday 11th January
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I've had to take to the grass to avoid a convoy of Subarus all attempting to pass one car at the same time. I'm not surprised to see this tt had another following him. 8 months isn't long enough.

rxe

3,914 posts

61 months

Saturday 11th January
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GC8 said:
I think that we can be divided into two groups when watching the video: those who immediately think ‘steer right!’, and those who think ‘what? what?’

Hopefully everyone here (and on the roads) is in the former group. Sadly, it appears, most are not.

If you think that I am wrong, then know that I think that you should take the bus.
Honestly, I think most of us would do precisely what he did - mash the brakes and freeze.

What I don’t understand is how he ended up on the wrong side of the road - it doesn’t look fast, he didn’t lose the car, there’s no howling tyres, he just drove onto the wrong side of the road and stayed there.

FrenchCarFan

5,856 posts

163 months

Saturday 11th January
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Pooh said:
It's not just car drivers, I once met a biker coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of a solid white line whilst he was overtaking a tractor, I pulled as far to the left as I could and he passed between me and the tractor, he was lucky that the road was just wide enough and I was paying attention.
He was the last bike in a group and was presumably trying to follow the rest of the group past the tractor and not get left behind as they had some fun on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkAT82-R0S8&fe... , I was also having fun in my Maserati.
This was a tragic accident and I have huge sympathy for the innocent victim whose life will never be the same again but some people on here would do well to remember that we are human and all make mistakes, sending the driver to prison for years for an accident achieves absolutely nothing. He was not driving particularly fast or recklessly, he misjudged one corner and if there had been nobody coming the other way there would have been no consequences.
You make it sound like he was commuting to work, he was on a hoon.

gazza285

6,704 posts

166 months

Saturday 11th January
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Dont like rolls said:
gazza285 said:
It's a verge?

What are you looking at, the damage on the inside?
Yes, it narrows the road for the driver
No excuse whatsoever, and completely irrelevant.

Gojira

899 posts

81 months

Saturday 11th January
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FrenchCarFan said:
You make it sound like he was commuting to work, he was on a hoon. fk the driver.
Did you notice the speed on the dashcam footage - within the old ACPO limits for an NSL single carriageway....

The problem wasn't his speed, it was his lack of attention.

I wonder how many folks on here would be driving along there at over 70, and yet not have a problem staying on their own side of the road?

Pooh

3,344 posts

211 months

Saturday 11th January
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FrenchCarFan said:
Pooh said:
It's not just car drivers, I once met a biker coming round a blind bend on the wrong side of a solid white line whilst he was overtaking a tractor, I pulled as far to the left as I could and he passed between me and the tractor, he was lucky that the road was just wide enough and I was paying attention.
He was the last bike in a group and was presumably trying to follow the rest of the group past the tractor and not get left behind as they had some fun on this road: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkAT82-R0S8&fe... , I was also having fun in my Maserati.
This was a tragic accident and I have huge sympathy for the innocent victim whose life will never be the same again but some people on here would do well to remember that we are human and all make mistakes, sending the driver to prison for years for an accident achieves absolutely nothing. He was not driving particularly fast or recklessly, he misjudged one corner and if there had been nobody coming the other way there would have been no consequences.
You make it sound like he was commuting to work, he was on a hoon.
Editing out the swearing doesn't make your comment any more sensible.
As an owner of three French vans and a French car, you have my sympathy.

Jasey_

2,715 posts

136 months

Saturday 11th January
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Gojira said:
Did you notice the speed on the dashcam footage - within the old ACPO limits for an NSL single carriageway....

The problem wasn't his speed, it was his lack of attention.

I wonder how many folks on here would be driving along there at over 70, and yet not have a problem staying on their own side of the road?
That looks like you could take it at 90 without drifting across. Maybe not if you are updating you status on your phone.

LeoSayer

6,078 posts

202 months

Saturday 11th January
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Looks to me like the driver assumed the road continued straight even though he had no way to see it.

He only reacted to the bend when it became visible to him, which was too late even though his speed beforehand didn't seem excessive.

Either that or he simply wasn't paying attention, admiring the view or looking at the car following him.

A small driving mistake with devastating consequences.

It reminds me how important it is to drive with appreciation of what you can't see, as much as what you can.

Maybe they'll put some chevrons up to avoid similar happening again.

Wills2

17,418 posts

133 months

Saturday 11th January
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On the subject of cars and bikes crossing/driving on/close to the white line on bends, I always make sure I'm to the far left on a right hand corner and tucked in to the inside on a left, it ensures I leave room for the increasing number of people that do not stay on their side of the road as it happens all the time on the rural b roads near me.

The Subaru wasn't driving quickly from what I can judge on that video but it was a tight corner and he turned in far too late and ran it out wide, not sure what his vision would have been of the bikers as he approached the corner if he'd been looking across the corner and up road (as he should have been) although from the camera it doesn't look like there was much of a view.

To me it looks like a terrible accident caused by a mistake rather than a wanton disregard for others, if the road was unfamiliar to him he should have been looking miles ahead and giving himself a greater margin on the cornering speeds.





Edited by Wills2 on Saturday 11th January 12:23

Olivera

4,082 posts

197 months

Saturday 11th January
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Dont like rolls said:
Is 60-65 too fast on that corner ?....it seems so but I still wonder how a "sporty car" can wash out that badly.

Can the Subaru owners please tell ?
+1, absolutely laughable amount of understeer exhibited in that video.

Renowned understeery chassis combined with stty tyres with limited mechanical grip?

I'm convinced that most modern FWD hot hatches on decent rubber would have made it round that corner.

Jasey_

2,715 posts

136 months

Saturday 11th January
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Olivera said:
Dont like rolls said:
Is 60-65 too fast on that corner ?....it seems so but I still wonder how a "sporty car" can wash out that badly.

Can the Subaru owners please tell ?
+1, abaolutely laughable amount of understeer exhibited in thay video.

Renowned understeery chassis combined with stty tyres with limited mechanical grip?

I'm convinced that most modern FWD hot hatches on decent rubber would have made it round that corner.
Used to run a Impreza STi and there is no way it would struggle with that corner..

The driver was either st or concentrating on something else.

Or both.

or just over reacted to the verge condition.

Gojira

899 posts

81 months

Saturday 11th January
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Olivera said:
+1, absolutely laughable amount of understeer exhibited in that video.

Renowned understeery chassis combined with stty tyres with limited mechanical grip?

I'm convinced that most modern FWD hot hatches on decent rubber would have made it round that corner.
If your definition of modern hot hatches includes a 1972 Maxi on Michelin Xs, I can say with confidence that you are right...

100% lack of observation/attention from the Subaru pilot.

Here's the approach to the bend on street view:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3940124,-1.66537...