Subaru vs bike head on collision.
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Shocking driving from someone who is purportedly a car/driving enthusiast. Looking at the speed in the video he only brakes once he’s turned in and then just freezes as he’s become target fixated on the poor biker.
Staggered that the Subaru driver didn’t dive to the right on to the verge.
I have had to do that once in the past, and caused considerable damage to my car, but crucially avoided a head-on with the car coming towards me.
ETA: it’s not understeer just s
t/dangerous driving.
Staggered that the Subaru driver didn’t dive to the right on to the verge.
I have had to do that once in the past, and caused considerable damage to my car, but crucially avoided a head-on with the car coming towards me.
ETA: it’s not understeer just s
t/dangerous driving. Edited by BaronVonVaderham on Saturday 11th January 13:04
Olivera said:
Gojira said:
100% lack of observation/attention from the Subaru pilot.
Not buying that at all. The bend was what, 45 degrees at best? It's not particularly severe looking at google maps.The video shows the vehicle starting to turn slightly, indicating the driver has wound on lock, then washes out into terminal understeer.
Olivera said:
Not buying that at all. The bend was what, 45 degrees at best? It's not particularly severe looking at google maps.
The video shows the vehicle starting to turn slightly, indicating the driver has wound on lock, then washes out into terminal understeer.
The car would have to be defective or contaminated road surface to get that level of understeer from almost any recent car. Lacking any evidence of that it must be driver error. The video shows the vehicle starting to turn slightly, indicating the driver has wound on lock, then washes out into terminal understeer.
From 35 years of driving on 2 and 4 wheels the conundrum of having fun whilst making mistakes will always happen.
On a bike the downsides from your own or other mistakes are a lot worse. But in the meantime you have more enjoyment.
I think PH forum needs to be less critical of mistakes, at least whilst peddling the pushing the envelope, type driving / riding.
PH is more risks than say What Car. This is why we come to this place.
On a bike the downsides from your own or other mistakes are a lot worse. But in the meantime you have more enjoyment.
I think PH forum needs to be less critical of mistakes, at least whilst peddling the pushing the envelope, type driving / riding.
PH is more risks than say What Car. This is why we come to this place.
Edited by Chester35 on Saturday 11th January 14:01
All the comments about the "terrible understeery" impreza, clearly haven't driven one.
I had one for a few months - I sold it as it had to be driven way over the limit, before things started getting interesting as it was so competent.
The car had NOTHING to do with the accident, 100% driver not concentrating
I had one for a few months - I sold it as it had to be driven way over the limit, before things started getting interesting as it was so competent.
The car had NOTHING to do with the accident, 100% driver not concentrating
This thread is 10PenceShort all over again. What ever happened to him?
That story sticks in my mind and used to think that that could happen to any of us. Then I realised that I don't drive like a total bellend.
As a rider this is exactly the thing that scares the life out of me. Fair enough if my own stupidity gets me hurt but someone else's decision. No ta.
8 months doesn't seem enough.
That story sticks in my mind and used to think that that could happen to any of us. Then I realised that I don't drive like a total bellend.
As a rider this is exactly the thing that scares the life out of me. Fair enough if my own stupidity gets me hurt but someone else's decision. No ta.
8 months doesn't seem enough.
Rightly or wrongly, driving a part of a group (particularly 'sports' type cars) can be interpreted in a way that marks you down as 'aggressive'.
As does driving 'in convoy' with friends.
In some way so does a dash cam, especially if fitted to an 'enthusiast's' car - like a Subaru.
And, dare I say it, the fact that it was on a road (or a least locale) known as a boy racer's proving ground would have been of some bearing in sentencing.
The driver in this instance - returning from a Subaru 'meet', with a dash cam, in convoy- found this out.
Question, had he not filmed the crash, not been returning from a 'meet', with another driver and filming it...... might the court just have interpreted it as due care and attention?
Ahh, yes 10 pence short. If you haven't read it DO SO NOW http://dansprisondiary.blogspot.com/
Hope the rider makes a full recovery.
As does driving 'in convoy' with friends.
In some way so does a dash cam, especially if fitted to an 'enthusiast's' car - like a Subaru.
And, dare I say it, the fact that it was on a road (or a least locale) known as a boy racer's proving ground would have been of some bearing in sentencing.
The driver in this instance - returning from a Subaru 'meet', with a dash cam, in convoy- found this out.
Question, had he not filmed the crash, not been returning from a 'meet', with another driver and filming it...... might the court just have interpreted it as due care and attention?
Ahh, yes 10 pence short. If you haven't read it DO SO NOW http://dansprisondiary.blogspot.com/
Hope the rider makes a full recovery.
Mr Tidy said:
And/or some terminal understeer from the Subaru muppet (where is ericmcn)?
I'm just glad the biker survived and I hope he makes a good recovery - but it does put me off getting a bike.
Im here BMW loser - It was a blind bend and terrible driving. I like driving fast and overtaking slow idiots but I dont cross over to the other side of the road, its just piss poor driving and the road marking could be improved around that bendI'm just glad the biker survived and I hope he makes a good recovery - but it does put me off getting a bike.
Not defending the driver at all but if you listen it does seem to indicate catching some of the damage on the inside, which may have pushed the front end out and the collision occurred.
It's easy to comment in hindsight and comment on how we would have avoided the whole thing but in that moment in time it's just impossible to know what happened without comment from the driver.
Wishing the biker a speedy recovery, the Subaru (WR1?) driver will be beside himself for a long time, both in custody and for the rest of his life I'm sure.
I headed over to SIDC and there are threads popping up but i'm not sure if they are getting deleted as they are created.
https://forums.sidc.co.uk/topic/166336-sky-news/
Mods - not sure if it's cool to cross post to the other forum or not, delete if not.
It's easy to comment in hindsight and comment on how we would have avoided the whole thing but in that moment in time it's just impossible to know what happened without comment from the driver.
Wishing the biker a speedy recovery, the Subaru (WR1?) driver will be beside himself for a long time, both in custody and for the rest of his life I'm sure.
I headed over to SIDC and there are threads popping up but i'm not sure if they are getting deleted as they are created.
https://forums.sidc.co.uk/topic/166336-sky-news/
Mods - not sure if it's cool to cross post to the other forum or not, delete if not.
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
You really are an arse, aren't you - I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if any BMW fanboy on here "would love to see" an idiot in a Subaru almost kill a biker !hopefully that biker will recover
ericmcn said:
Enjoyed that.ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly
hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
Factory standard Subarus have great traction and lots of grip, but they can in no way be described as having great handling, never mind 'awesome'.hopefully that biker will recover
Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
gazza285 said:
Dont like rolls said:
gazza285 said:
It's a verge?
What are you looking at, the damage on the inside?
Yes, it narrows the road for the driverWhat are you looking at, the damage on the inside?
t, a dangerous one as well), but road surface condition is not irrelevant is it ?The thing is this guy was a car enthusiast, he did track days, some organised from here, yet he lacks talent etc.
It was probably just a simple mistake which happens to even the most competent driver, and I would say being a car enthusiast can mean more likely to crash due to pushing the limits of the car and ablity.
It was probably just a simple mistake which happens to even the most competent driver, and I would say being a car enthusiast can mean more likely to crash due to pushing the limits of the car and ablity.
Davie_GLA said:
Not defending the driver at all but if you listen it does seem to indicate catching some of the damage on the inside, which may have pushed the front end out and the collision occurred.
It's easy to comment in hindsight and comment on how we would have avoided the whole thing but in that moment in time it's just impossible to know what happened without comment from the driver.
The guy behind him managed to get around just fine.It's easy to comment in hindsight and comment on how we would have avoided the whole thing but in that moment in time it's just impossible to know what happened without comment from the driver.
Look at the speeds - IIRC max 66mph
He wasn't concentrating / playing with his phone etc
V8RX7 said:
The guy behind him managed to get around just fine.
Look at the speeds - IIRC max 66mph
He wasn't concentrating / playing with his phone etc
Have to agree the driver made a mistake I think he underestimated the corner & then got target fixation which meant he hit the biker.Look at the speeds - IIRC max 66mph
He wasn't concentrating / playing with his phone etc
Having looked at it again he defiantly underestimated the corner speed wasn't the issue just a lack of reading the road ahead.
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