Subaru vs bike head on collision.

Subaru vs bike head on collision.

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Olivera

3,884 posts

192 months

Saturday 11th January
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Gojira said:
100% lack of observation/attention from the Subaru pilot.
Not buying that at all. The bend was what, 45 degrees at best? It's not particularly severe looking at google maps.

The video shows the vehicle starting to turn slightly, indicating the driver has wound on lock, then washes out into terminal understeer.

BaronVonVaderham

2,029 posts

100 months

Saturday 11th January
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Shocking driving from someone who is purportedly a car/driving enthusiast. Looking at the speed in the video he only brakes once he’s turned in and then just freezes as he’s become target fixated on the poor biker.

Staggered that the Subaru driver didn’t dive to the right on to the verge.

I have had to do that once in the past, and caused considerable damage to my car, but crucially avoided a head-on with the car coming towards me.

ETA: it’s not understeer just st/dangerous driving.

Edited by BaronVonVaderham on Saturday 11th January 13:04

Gojira

899 posts

76 months

Saturday 11th January
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Olivera said:
Gojira said:
100% lack of observation/attention from the Subaru pilot.
Not buying that at all. The bend was what, 45 degrees at best? It's not particularly severe looking at google maps.

The video shows the vehicle starting to turn slightly, indicating the driver has wound on lock, then washes out into terminal understeer.
So a modern Subaru corners much worse than a shed Maxi that was more rust than metal?

eldar

14,165 posts

149 months

Saturday 11th January
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Olivera said:
Not buying that at all. The bend was what, 45 degrees at best? It's not particularly severe looking at google maps.

The video shows the vehicle starting to turn slightly, indicating the driver has wound on lock, then washes out into terminal understeer.
The car would have to be defective or contaminated road surface to get that level of understeer from almost any recent car. Lacking any evidence of that it must be driver error.

Mastodon2

13,022 posts

118 months

Saturday 11th January
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The number of people still trying to blame the car is embarrassing, perhaps even worrying.

Chester35

295 posts

8 months

Saturday 11th January
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From 35 years of driving on 2 and 4 wheels the conundrum of having fun whilst making mistakes will always happen.

On a bike the downsides from your own or other mistakes are a lot worse. But in the meantime you have more enjoyment.

I think PH forum needs to be less critical of mistakes, at least whilst peddling the pushing the envelope, type driving / riding.

PH is more risks than say What Car. This is why we come to this place.



Edited by Chester35 on Saturday 11th January 14:01

V8RX7

19,733 posts

216 months

Saturday 11th January
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All the comments about the "terrible understeery" impreza, clearly haven't driven one.

I had one for a few months - I sold it as it had to be driven way over the limit, before things started getting interesting as it was so competent.

The car had NOTHING to do with the accident, 100% driver not concentrating

HairyMaclary

3,052 posts

148 months

Saturday 11th January
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This thread is 10PenceShort all over again. What ever happened to him?

That story sticks in my mind and used to think that that could happen to any of us. Then I realised that I don't drive like a total bellend.

As a rider this is exactly the thing that scares the life out of me. Fair enough if my own stupidity gets me hurt but someone else's decision. No ta.

8 months doesn't seem enough.

alfaspecial

724 posts

93 months

Saturday 11th January
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Rightly or wrongly, driving a part of a group (particularly 'sports' type cars) can be interpreted in a way that marks you down as 'aggressive'.
As does driving 'in convoy' with friends.
In some way so does a dash cam, especially if fitted to an 'enthusiast's' car - like a Subaru.
And, dare I say it, the fact that it was on a road (or a least locale) known as a boy racer's proving ground would have been of some bearing in sentencing.

The driver in this instance - returning from a Subaru 'meet', with a dash cam, in convoy- found this out.

Question, had he not filmed the crash, not been returning from a 'meet', with another driver and filming it...... might the court just have interpreted it as due care and attention?


Ahh, yes 10 pence short. If you haven't read it DO SO NOW http://dansprisondiary.blogspot.com/






Hope the rider makes a full recovery.

ericmcn

1,999 posts

50 months

Saturday 11th January
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Mr Tidy said:
And/or some terminal understeer from the Subaru muppet (where is ericmcn)?

I'm just glad the biker survived and I hope he makes a good recovery - but it does put me off getting a bike. frown
Im here BMW loser - It was a blind bend and terrible driving. I like driving fast and overtaking slow idiots but I dont cross over to the other side of the road, its just piss poor driving and the road marking could be improved around that bend

Davie_GLA

5,495 posts

152 months

Saturday 11th January
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Not defending the driver at all but if you listen it does seem to indicate catching some of the damage on the inside, which may have pushed the front end out and the collision occurred.

It's easy to comment in hindsight and comment on how we would have avoided the whole thing but in that moment in time it's just impossible to know what happened without comment from the driver.

Wishing the biker a speedy recovery, the Subaru (WR1?) driver will be beside himself for a long time, both in custody and for the rest of his life I'm sure.

I headed over to SIDC and there are threads popping up but i'm not sure if they are getting deleted as they are created.

https://forums.sidc.co.uk/topic/166336-sky-news/

Mods - not sure if it's cool to cross post to the other forum or not, delete if not.

popeyewhite

12,002 posts

73 months

Saturday 11th January
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I don't see any understeer? The driver simply turns late. I've owned a couple of Imprezzas and they won't understeer you across a dry road at 49 mph. Bad driving, pure and simple.

ericmcn

1,999 posts

50 months

Saturday 11th January
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BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly

hopefully that biker will recover

Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...

Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...

Gojira

899 posts

76 months

Saturday 11th January
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ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly

hopefully that biker will recover
You really are an arse, aren't you - I'd be absolutely gobsmacked if any BMW fanboy on here "would love to see" an idiot in a Subaru almost kill a biker !

popeyewhite

12,002 posts

73 months

Saturday 11th January
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ericmcn said:
Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
Enjoyed that.

DocJock

6,444 posts

193 months

Saturday 11th January
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ericmcn said:
BMW fanboys must love to see this, as tragic as it is. Subarus have awesome handling and control but its all down to the driver at the end of the day as its he or she who is at the wheel and like any car they crash if driven badly

hopefully that biker will recover

Mark Higgins practice run up Transfagarasan highway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x29oahegQbI&t=...

Subaru Impreza overtaking everything on a track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI1PGErtAjU&t=...
Factory standard Subarus have great traction and lots of grip, but they can in no way be described as having great handling, never mind 'awesome'.

Olivera

3,884 posts

192 months

Saturday 11th January
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popeyewhite said:
I don't see any understeer? The driver simply turns late.
So what's the very audible squeeling at 8-9 seconds in the OPs video?

Dont like rolls

3,330 posts

7 months

Saturday 11th January
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gazza285 said:
Dont like rolls said:
gazza285 said:
It's a verge?

What are you looking at, the damage on the inside?
Yes, it narrows the road for the driver
No excuse whatsoever, and completely irrelevant.
I did not say it excused him (he is/was a total tt, a dangerous one as well), but road surface condition is not irrelevant is it ?


Thesprucegoose

22,353 posts

148 months

Saturday 11th January
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The thing is this guy was a car enthusiast, he did track days, some organised from here, yet he lacks talent etc.

It was probably just a simple mistake which happens to even the most competent driver, and I would say being a car enthusiast can mean more likely to crash due to pushing the limits of the car and ablity.

V8RX7

19,733 posts

216 months

Saturday 11th January
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Davie_GLA said:
Not defending the driver at all but if you listen it does seem to indicate catching some of the damage on the inside, which may have pushed the front end out and the collision occurred.

It's easy to comment in hindsight and comment on how we would have avoided the whole thing but in that moment in time it's just impossible to know what happened without comment from the driver.
The guy behind him managed to get around just fine.

Look at the speeds - IIRC max 66mph

He wasn't concentrating / playing with his phone etc