Re : Porsche 911 (996) Turbo | The Brave Pill

[blade7]

J4CKO said:

Also, both 4wd but the Porsche has a manual box and the RS3 a much faster DCT, so probably a second or two in gearchanges.

Two seconds to change gears?

[Digga]

Venisonpie said:

Whilst the power to weight ratios are similar the real difference is the torque. I also suspect the 996 delivers more than 414BHP...

Just a set if decent exhaust manifolds gives 15hp.

A very mild re-map (worth doing anyway, because newer maps actually work better all ways round anyway) from a decent tuner like Wayne Schofield at Chipwizards, can easily see 500hp, without messing about with boost.

If you want to go daft though, the world's your lobster and the likes of experts like 9e or ES Motors can extract huge amounts (of money from your wallet and hp from the Mezger).

[Court_S]

blade7 said:

Center Gravity?

Yup. They’re supposed to be very good; friend of a friend raves about them and travels a long way for them to align his Porsche.

[blade7]

Court_S said:

blade7 said:

Center Gravity?

Yup. They’re supposed to be very good; friend of a friend raves about them and travels a long way for them to align his Porsche.

They are very good, and there's usually a waiting list. They did my car around 8 or 9 years ago, and the tyres still wear evenly.

[cerb4.5lee]

Venisonpie said:

Whilst the power to weight ratios are similar the real difference is the torque. I also suspect the 996 delivers more than 414BHP...

The 911 would be classed as nice and torquey even now I agree, I bet that back then it would've felt seriously punchy.

[J4CKO]

blade7 said:

J4CKO said:

Also, both 4wd but the Porsche has a manual box and the RS3 a much faster DCT, so probably a second or two in gearchanges.

Two seconds to change gears?

I said a "second or two", not two seconds, wont really be as long as that unless the car is broken or drive clueless.

911 Turbo has six gears, it needs five of them to get to 150 mph, so four gear changes, "The average manual car driver: 500 ms" according to Wikipedia, I expect road testers may be a little faster but it wont be anywhere near the VW/Audi DCT Shift Time of around 200 ms.

The point was that the shift times perhaps flatter the performance of the RS3 a little against the 911 TT because it has a much faster gear change.

Golf R manual is slower by half a second compared to the DSG to sixty, thats two gearchanges, another two and can see how a second is lost in comparison, possibly longer for older cars.














al would be a more accurate comparison of relative engine power/torque and performance.

Its probably less than that to be fair, road tester vs DCT, but there is a difference, as shown by manual vs DCT auto performance figures.

Golf R manual is 5.1 to 60, DSG is 4.6, so half a second, thats one

[blade7]

J4CKO said:

I said a "second or two", not two seconds,

Er, OK.

[Scottie - NW]

blade7 said:

J4CKO said:

I said a "second or two", not two seconds,

Er, OK.

This is a PH classic quote

[s m]

J4CKO said:

Also, both 4wd but the Porsche has a manual box and the RS3 a much faster DCT, so probably a second or two in gearchanges.

A modern day 911 like the Carrera S has a similar quick shifting modern slush box ( a bit more power than the old Turbo models ......but still has turbos! ). However not the drag of 4wd

[s m]

ATM said:

nebpor said:

There’s a hell of a lot of work to get it anywhere near a GT2!

I like the 4WD, it’s unobtrusive

Yeah but a home brew gt2 is just a 2wd 996tt. See what I did?

The later GT2s look very quick

[cerb4.5lee]

s m said:

The later GT2s look very quick

6.1 seconds to a 100 is seriously going some. I'd love a go in one to see what it feels like.

[Digga]

cerb4.5lee said:

s m said:

The later GT2s look very quick

6.1 seconds to a 100 is seriously going some. I'd love a go in one to see what it feels like.

I drove a TVR Tuscan racer back in the day on the Silverstone GP circuit. They were 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. 500hp and under 900kgs feels utterly mental.

A GT2 is something else again. I've seen them on the big Dottinger Hohe straight at the Nurburgring - on track days, when you can do flying laps - and they sound like a jet fighter flat-out, you can hear the turbos hauling the air in and spitting it out.

[cerb4.5lee]

Digga said:

cerb4.5lee said:

s m said:

The later GT2s look very quick

6.1 seconds to a 100 is seriously going some. I'd love a go in one to see what it feels like.

I drove a TVR Tuscan racer back in the day on the Silverstone GP circuit. They were 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. 500hp and under 900kgs feels utterly mental.

A GT2 is something else again. I've seen them on the big Dottinger Hohe straight at the Nurburgring - on track days, when you can do flying laps - and they sound like a jet fighter flat-out, you can hear the turbos hauling the air in and spitting it out.

[s m]

cerb4.5lee said:

s m said:

The later GT2s look very quick

6.1 seconds to a 100 is seriously going some. I'd love a go in one to see what it feels like.

True!
Also can see why people like those tuned TT RS’ Lee

Quick for the cash as standard

[nebpor]

Digga said:

I drove a TVR Tuscan racer back in the day on the Silverstone GP circuit. They were 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. 500hp and under 900kgs feels utterly mental.

A GT2 is something else again. I've seen them on the big Dottinger Hohe straight at the Nurburgring - on track days, when you can do flying laps - and they sound like a jet fighter flat-out, you can hear the turbos hauling the air in and spitting it out.

I watched the 997GT2 testing at the 'ring and it was similar, albeit probably not as mental as a modern 2RS - it sounded absolutely terrifying, in a way an NA car doesn't!

[cerb4.5lee]

s m said:

cerb4.5lee said:

s m said:

The later GT2s look very quick

6.1 seconds to a 100 is seriously going some. I'd love a go in one to see what it feels like.

True!
Also can see why people like those tuned TT RS’ Lee

Quick for the cash as standard

Yes and they are s m!

A lovely engine too. A lot of performance for the money for sure...plus they have excellent tuning potential as well.

[Digga]

nebpor said:

Digga said:

I drove a TVR Tuscan racer back in the day on the Silverstone GP circuit. They were 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. 500hp and under 900kgs feels utterly mental.

A GT2 is something else again. I've seen them on the big Dottinger Hohe straight at the Nurburgring - on track days, when you can do flying laps - and they sound like a jet fighter flat-out, you can hear the turbos hauling the air in and spitting it out.

I watched the 997GT2 testing at the 'ring and it was similar, albeit probably not as mental as a modern 2RS - it sounded absolutely terrifying, in a way an NA car doesn't!

My old 996 turbo was mapped etc. to about 500hp, and the way that picked up speed down the straight was epic. Addictive.

However, I have driven a 997 GT2 (not the RS, which is even more barmy) at PEC Silverstone, and can confidently say the boost is stronger (bigger turbos, obvs) and more savage. Not ashamed to say I found it very intimidating on the confines of those handling circuits.

I cannot begin to fathom what a 997 GT2 RS, or better yet 991 GT2 RS would be like down the Dottinger straight.

[s m]

Digga said:

nebpor said:

Digga said:

I drove a TVR Tuscan racer back in the day on the Silverstone GP circuit. They were 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. 500hp and under 900kgs feels utterly mental.

A GT2 is something else again. I've seen them on the big Dottinger Hohe straight at the Nurburgring - on track days, when you can do flying laps - and they sound like a jet fighter flat-out, you can hear the turbos hauling the air in and spitting it out.

I watched the 997GT2 testing at the 'ring and it was similar, albeit probably not as mental as a modern 2RS - it sounded absolutely terrifying, in a way an NA car doesn't!

My old 996 turbo was mapped etc. to about 500hp, and the way that picked up speed down the straight was epic. Addictive.

However, I have driven a 997 GT2 (not the RS, which is even more barmy) at PEC Silverstone, and can confidently say the boost is stronger (bigger turbos, obvs) and more savage. Not ashamed to say I found it very intimidating on the confines of those handling circuits.

I cannot begin to fathom what a 997 GT2 RS, or better yet 991 GT2 RS would be like down the Dottinger straight.

Made me smile seeing how wary Monkey looked when he did that EVO clip with the GT2 RS

[Digga]

s m said:

Digga said:

nebpor said:

Digga said:

I drove a TVR Tuscan racer back in the day on the Silverstone GP circuit. They were 0-100 in 6.9 seconds. 500hp and under 900kgs feels utterly mental.

A GT2 is something else again. I've seen them on the big Dottinger Hohe straight at the Nurburgring - on track days, when you can do flying laps - and they sound like a jet fighter flat-out, you can hear the turbos hauling the air in and spitting it out.

I watched the 997GT2 testing at the 'ring and it was similar, albeit probably not as mental as a modern 2RS - it sounded absolutely terrifying, in a way an NA car doesn't!

My old 996 turbo was mapped etc. to about 500hp, and the way that picked up speed down the straight was epic. Addictive.

However, I have driven a 997 GT2 (not the RS, which is even more barmy) at PEC Silverstone, and can confidently say the boost is stronger (bigger turbos, obvs) and more savage. Not ashamed to say I found it very intimidating on the confines of those handling circuits.

I cannot begin to fathom what a 997 GT2 RS, or better yet 991 GT2 RS would be like down the Dottinger straight.

Never mind that; what about the 991 GT2 RS MR?

I have absolutely no frame of reference for what this must be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WZ-eZZXi-g


Made me smile seeing how wary Monkey looked when he did that EVO clip with the GT2 RS

[8-P]

90% sure this used to belong to the garage owner next door to my old office. He runs a garage called Autoassist in Chandlers Ford Hampshire and the car wore "911 DES" and yes his name is Des, that plate is on a 997 Turbo now and Im sure Design 911 would love to get that from him. Im pretty sure they maintained it in house so it should be in mechanically good order although they arent Porsche specialists or anything.

I might be wrong, but Im pretty sure he told me he sold it at 130K and there cant be that many in that colour with those miles - it was a daily driver for him too.