Re : Porsche 911 (996) Turbo | The Brave Pill

[shalmaneser]

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

As a proud owner of a new (to me!) 996 c2 I'd describe the steering as anything but stodgy! Is the turbo worse in this respect?

[nebpor]

Having taken this exact brave pill three months ago (2002 model, 70k, manual, folder of terrifying bills), and coming from a 996 3.4 C2, then the steering is not as sweet, but once you get used to it it’s still better than anything else you will drive

Car is wonderful. The interior on this one shown let’s it down - mines is black sports seats and the interior still looks excellent

[Never you mind]

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

Have you driven one? I owned one for years and it never felt "stodgy". Very comptent car and fast but boring though.

It's lapis blue this one. Same colour as my old one.

[ATM]

Never you mind said:

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

Have you driven one? I owned one for years and it never felt "stodgy". Very comptent car and fast but boring though.

It's lapis blue this one. Same colour as my old one.

Genuine question but sounds prickly - if you think this is boring what car would you recommend that is not boring?

[Never you mind]

ATM said:

Never you mind said:

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

Have you driven one? I owned one for years and it never felt "stodgy". Very comptent car and fast but boring though.

It's lapis blue this one. Same colour as my old one.

Genuine question but sounds prickly - if you think this is boring what car would you recommend that is not boring?

I felt the turbo was just too comptent of a car. The way it gathered speed was super smooth so you just didn't realise you where flying till you looked at the speedo. On motorways it would effortless get to over 100 and feel just as stable at those speeds as it did pottering around town. Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic cars for a reliable fast daily driver that just blend in. I would certainly have another one.

As for a not boring car, check my garage I traded mine in for that. Gearbox was fked though, 3rd gear started whining like a bh and the front diff was on it's way out (72K miles). Also chucked up a 5K bill during the time I owned it. Mine did have the GT2 rear wing on it plus a few other modded bits (engine mounts, turbo actuators)

Edited by Never you mind on Saturday 11th January 12:24

[Gad-Westy]

Surprised someone has used the word 'stodgy' to describe these. That's one of the last words I think I'd use. A 996TT was the first 911 I ever drove. I found it utterly amazing quite honestly. Totally composed, far too easy to drive fast (straight away, no learning curve to get up to speed) and monster quick. One of those cars that just gathers speed with no fuss at all and makes your stomach feel vaguely uncomfortable. I don't desperately yearn to own one as I don't actually like being able to cover ground that quickly but I could think of a lot worse things to buy with that money. They actually seem to be the vaguely senible option in terms of 911 ownership costs too.

[vanman1936]

sr.guiri said:

Brave pill?? One of the best places to park your cash, if you ask me. The prices of these are only going in one direction.

If this was correct hand drive, I wasn't driving around Latin America in an old VW Kombi and I didn't already have a 964 which certainly won't be driven enough over the next few years, I'd have this in a snap.

Brave pill for only the most nervous of people, maybe. For anyone else, it's a no brainer.

This.....I ran an AMD chipped X50 one (500bhp) for two years.....so capable, 100% reliable, easy to drive etc etc.

I think they look fabulous also.

[pmr01]

had mine fore eight years now...stodgy is an unusual comment. Although mine was / is low mileage, using a reputable specialist i have averaged around £1500 a year in maintenance (servicing / repairs...discs and pads are a nightmare) over that time. The car is worth circa £5 - 10k more than when i bought it. I like the looks.

[ScienceTeacher]

Had mine for the last five years. '04 83K manual. Costs circa £4K per year on average to drive ~4K miles. Think:
Rads
Exhaust
Actuators
Turbos (BIG bill)
Coolant hoses (yep the tricky ones)
Top mounts
Starter motor etc
Discs and pads (quite costly)


Headed to 9E next week for the turbos. Brave pill certainly. A fantastic car however...

[blade7]

When £25k would buy a good 996tt with well under 100k on it, I thought I was going to buy one. Then someone took me out in theirs, and what people have said here about the car is right. Ridiculously quick but, didn't feel it until it was going really, really fast. The glued together ali coolant tubes are a concern too.

[nebpor]

Mines had it gearbox rebuilt, both turbos replaced and has a fresh clutch and flywheel in it so helpfully no crazy bills for a few years, but my eyes are wide open as to the possibilities

Using it regularly and keeping on top of issues as they appear is key to avoiding bill shock!

I love it as a daily. It’s quiet, comfortable and heavy feeling (in a safe way) and built much better than my old 99 Carrera- the Bose stereo is excellent as well

[ATM]

Never you mind said:

ATM said:

Never you mind said:

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

Have you driven one? I owned one for years and it never felt "stodgy". Very comptent car and fast but boring though.

It's lapis blue this one. Same colour as my old one.

Genuine question but sounds prickly - if you think this is boring what car would you recommend that is not boring?

I felt the turbo was just too comptent of a car. The way it gathered speed was super smooth so you just didn't realise you where flying till you looked at the speedo. On motorways it would effortless get to over 100 and feel just as stable at those speeds as it did pottering around town. Don't get me wrong, they are fantastic cars for a reliable fast daily driver that just blend in. I would certainly have another one.

As for a not boring car, check my garage I traded mine in for that. Gearbox was fked though, 3rd gear started whining like a bh and the front diff was on it's way out (72K miles). Also chucked up a 5K bill during the time I owned it. Mine did have the GT2 rear wing on it plus a few other modded bits (engine mounts, turbo actuators)

I see. Bit out of my price range that. To be fair most cars would feel boring compared to that. I mean if someone thinks a Lamborghini is boring then they must be an adrenaline junky crack head.

All my cars need to be daily drivers really even though I cant drive them all daily as I've got more than 1. I've always fancied a TT and everyone seems to say the same thing - quick and capable but a bit too easy. I'm trying to keep open minded and not hold capability against it.

A colleague at work told me he had one a few years ago which was tuned up a bit. He loved it but the guy who bought it destroyed it within a few weeks. Apparently he turned off the TC and my colleague said he had never done that when he owned it.

I know modifying is probably a bit silly but I believe you can remove the front wheel drive and make a home brew gt2. I admit that idea appeals to me and surely that would be a bit less boring.

[nebpor]

There’s a hell of a lot of work to get it anywhere near a GT2!

I like the 4WD, it’s unobtrusive

[wolfie28]

Mine was under 60k on the clock, black manual with the X50 pack and a Fearnsport remap so was pushing over 500 horses. In 2 years ownership the clutch, battery, alternator, door window module went and turbo actuator rod snapped. Probably the fastest car I’ll ever own but speed isn’t everything. Like others have said I also found it dull and boring. Hated how the front end looked but from the rear it looked incredible. Sold it after 2 years with no regrets. Never connected with the car, maybe it was just too good but I felt it was just soulless like most German cars (in my opinion).

[Arsecati]

shalmaneser said:

Search for audi r8 cracked frame. There is a major problem with the v1 audi r8 which I suspect is affecting values.

Just do a Samcrac on it. ;)

[Venisonpie]

Never you mind said:

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

Have you driven one? I owned one for years and it never felt "stodgy". Very comptent car and fast but boring though.

It's lapis blue this one. Same colour as my old one.

Yes, I drove one on track back to back with a Ferrari 360. The Porsche felt heavy and cumbersome compared to the Ferrari and certainly much less agile than my mk2 Tuscan at the time. It was undoubtedly competent but just a bit dull once the turbo whoosh novelty wore off. As for the interior the less said the better. That said I find most pork a bit uninspiring, my 981 was detached which is why I now have an Elise.

[Venisonpie]

shalmaneser said:

Venisonpie said:

Not really that brave however they're not the last word in agile. Stodgy is best how I'd describe the steer.

As a proud owner of a new (to me!) 996 c2 I'd describe the steering as anything but stodgy! Is the turbo worse in this respect?

I couldn't comment, the only 996 I've driven is a turbo.

[ATM]

nebpor said:

There’s a hell of a lot of work to get it anywhere near a GT2!

I like the 4WD, it’s unobtrusive

Yeah but a home brew gt2 is just a 2wd 996tt. See what I did?

[ZX10R NIN]

I have to be honest it's not a bad price but I'd want to see evidence of a suspension refresh because that'll be a bill in itself, but in all honesty I'd be buying a nice clean R32/33 GT R with some nice light upgrades especially if your talking about a car that also double as an investment:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissan-Skyline-R32-GTR-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NISSAN-SKYLINE-R32-GTR/...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissan-Skyline-GTR-R33-...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nissan-Skyline-R32-GTR-...

[nebpor]

ATM said:

nebpor said:

There’s a hell of a lot of work to get it anywhere near a GT2!

I like the 4WD, it’s unobtrusive

Yeah but a home brew gt2 is just a 2wd 996tt. See what I did?

What you will do is end up backwards in a hedge!!