Re : Porsche 911 (996) Turbo | The Brave Pill
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pmr01 said:
markcoznottz said:
pmr01 said:
Never you mind said:
J4CKO said:
Pulls much harder than an RS3 ? the recent one with 400 ish bhp and very similar performance numbers ?
Surely they would be fairly similar performance wise standard vs standard ?
Have been in a 991 Turbo S, that gave me a similar feeling of utter disbelief as the first time I went in a 1980 911 Turbo as a kid, had never felt anything
like it.
Would take the 911 over any Hot Hatch though.
Surely they would be fairly similar performance wise standard vs standard ?
Have been in a 991 Turbo S, that gave me a similar feeling of utter disbelief as the first time I went in a 1980 911 Turbo as a kid, had never felt anything
like it.
Would take the 911 over any Hot Hatch though.
I'd say the performance of a 996 TT is comparably to an A45 AMG. Feels the same from what I can tell and thats coming from owning both.
Amazing cars... Really amazing.
It is the way these car can accelerate at high speeds is what sets them apart from hyper hatches, in terms of speed.
These cars accelerate like a hot hatch does in 2nd gear.... Except you can do it at 160mph+
Even today 20 years on these cars still impress.
Iceboy
It is the way these car can accelerate at high speeds is what sets them apart from hyper hatches, in terms of speed.
These cars accelerate like a hot hatch does in 2nd gear.... Except you can do it at 160mph+
Even today 20 years on these cars still impress.
Iceboy
J4CKO said:
pmr01 said:
markcoznottz said:
pmr01 said:
Never you mind said:
J4CKO said:
Pulls much harder than an RS3 ? the recent one with 400 ish bhp and very similar performance numbers ?
Surely they would be fairly similar performance wise standard vs standard ?
Have been in a 991 Turbo S, that gave me a similar feeling of utter disbelief as the first time I went in a 1980 911 Turbo as a kid, had never felt anything
like it.
Would take the 911 over any Hot Hatch though.
Surely they would be fairly similar performance wise standard vs standard ?
Have been in a 991 Turbo S, that gave me a similar feeling of utter disbelief as the first time I went in a 1980 911 Turbo as a kid, had never felt anything
like it.
Would take the 911 over any Hot Hatch though.
I'd say the performance of a 996 TT is comparably to an A45 AMG. Feels the same from what I can tell and thats coming from owning both.
Edited by Never you mind on Sunday 12th January 20:43
E63M said:
Tempted by these, as I do respect the Turbo.
The problem is I can't get past the horribly dated interior and the fact it is slower on the move, than my M6.
A good buy at £15-20k, but £25k+, lots of other buys are out there...
The interior is my issue too - I don't actually mind the exterior especially with no ambers, but its the interior that kill it for me. It doesn't have the old school charm of a 964 or a 993. It just looks dated in a bad way. I know the drive should be the most important thing, but I'd struggle to fork out money for a car that I disliked where I have to sit every time I drive it.The problem is I can't get past the horribly dated interior and the fact it is slower on the move, than my M6.
A good buy at £15-20k, but £25k+, lots of other buys are out there...
BlueEyedBoy said:
Why any one would want one of these is crazy now, worst ever 911 design, modern hot hatches are faster, I lust after a bad boys aircooled turbo s because it's beautiful , rare and fast enough, there is nothing about this that makes me want to buy it.
Bad Boys one was a 3.6, not an S. Still lovely thoughHaving owned mine for 9 years now - I understand both POV's.
Have had mixed feelings about mine.
The reality is that a 996TT is not a "hooligan" car, and that is not meant to disparage such cars. It just is not a car to kick the rear out at your nearest roundabout while doing barely 20mph.
Rather, the TT is a fine wine, compared to cheap supermarket lager. A wine, nonetheless, with a high alcohol content.
There is a place for both, but it is on rarer occasions that one can appreciate the wine, and therein lies the "problem".
The TT is a car for somewhat particular roads, where, perhaps, it is not mainly about the performance. Rather it is the savouring of the steering feel, the handling, the hustling through innumerable medium speed bends at 9/10ths, the car giving tons of feedback as to road surface, grip, what each individual wheel is doing. You can do this for hours on end, and it just gets more enjoyable as you get into the groove. You can then lay off, and pootle home. On the way home, you find some slower traffic with not too many safe gaps. This is no problem. You summon the second character of the car, the high "alcohol content" and the overtaking gaps suddenly become more than adequate. That too is fun.
Until you have owned a 996TT for long enough, and have discovered both the ideal place and method in which it is to be enjoyed, and obviously have regular access to using it in such places, you may very rightly consider it to be deficient, ironically perhaps because of it's competence, and call it too good for it's own good. Just as you would not take the best French wine to a football match. You would not even know what you were drinking.
Have had mixed feelings about mine.
The reality is that a 996TT is not a "hooligan" car, and that is not meant to disparage such cars. It just is not a car to kick the rear out at your nearest roundabout while doing barely 20mph.
Rather, the TT is a fine wine, compared to cheap supermarket lager. A wine, nonetheless, with a high alcohol content.
There is a place for both, but it is on rarer occasions that one can appreciate the wine, and therein lies the "problem".
The TT is a car for somewhat particular roads, where, perhaps, it is not mainly about the performance. Rather it is the savouring of the steering feel, the handling, the hustling through innumerable medium speed bends at 9/10ths, the car giving tons of feedback as to road surface, grip, what each individual wheel is doing. You can do this for hours on end, and it just gets more enjoyable as you get into the groove. You can then lay off, and pootle home. On the way home, you find some slower traffic with not too many safe gaps. This is no problem. You summon the second character of the car, the high "alcohol content" and the overtaking gaps suddenly become more than adequate. That too is fun.
Until you have owned a 996TT for long enough, and have discovered both the ideal place and method in which it is to be enjoyed, and obviously have regular access to using it in such places, you may very rightly consider it to be deficient, ironically perhaps because of it's competence, and call it too good for it's own good. Just as you would not take the best French wine to a football match. You would not even know what you were drinking.
I had one of these amazing cars and people who criticise them more often than not, have never owned or driven one! I bought it just over £20,000 and sold it for £30,000 ish. easy to maintain and sooo good to drive! got an Aston dbs now and can see myself spending much more on this than the Porsche.
Yes indeed let me see very fast car when released still fast now,drives so well, accelerates epically in any gear ,goes round corners beyond many drivers limits stops well ,just total fun to drive ,yet people find fault,had mine for seven years then sold it , serviced at Porsche never let me down no big bills ,disc and pads rads replaced sports exhaust , 27k miles ,I liked the interior solid, Lth and alc fully loaded, loved the looks would buy again .
Limpet said:
What would be a reasonable annual maintenance/bork budget for one of these if you stayed clear of OPCs for servicing and used a good independent? Are they maintenance friendly in terms of doing odd jobs yourself, assuming of course you know one end of a spanner from another?
Yes they are spanner friendly, as are all 911s, but you’d want the Indy doing an annual inspection to get their expert eyes over it I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
“In the dry the Ferrari was definitely the one: more agile, more exciting, better sounding and fractionally faster at full fang. But when it rained the 911 left it for dead, seemingly regardless of the relative amounts of driving talent piloting each car.”
Who drives a Ferrari in the rain?
Who drives a Ferrari in the rain?
nebpor said:
I did have a few years when just req a service and fuel , also for not a lot of money have a good remap and then it will be ballistic .
Yes they are spanner friendly, as are all 911s, but you’d want the Indy doing an annual inspection to get their expert eyes over it
I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
Yes they are spanner friendly, as are all 911s, but you’d want the Indy doing an annual inspection to get their expert eyes over it
I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
This is one of the few Porsches I’ve ever actually driven..... and the one I’ve gone fastest in.
I was lucky enough to get a go at a free Supercar Experience thanks to someone gifting me their day as they couldn’t make it.
The cars were a Gallardo, Ferrari 360, AM V8 Vantage and a 996 Turbo. A lot of the opinion on these sort of days is down to the guardian/instructor in the passenger seat and the 2 most liberal for me were the 996 and AM guys - I found the 996 Turbo was terrific, especially the brakes.
I can’t say I danced it on the edge of adhesion or explored the outer limits of its V-max but the guy did let me give it a lot more revs than any of the other cars. I would have foregone the steers of a couple of the others to have had another go in the Turbo. Have to say I did spend a few weeks debating whether I could afford to scrape enough together to buy one and, thereafter, run it too! Sadly it would been a stretch too far - can only imagine what a later GT2 RS might be like.
I was lucky enough to get a go at a free Supercar Experience thanks to someone gifting me their day as they couldn’t make it.
The cars were a Gallardo, Ferrari 360, AM V8 Vantage and a 996 Turbo. A lot of the opinion on these sort of days is down to the guardian/instructor in the passenger seat and the 2 most liberal for me were the 996 and AM guys - I found the 996 Turbo was terrific, especially the brakes.
I can’t say I danced it on the edge of adhesion or explored the outer limits of its V-max but the guy did let me give it a lot more revs than any of the other cars. I would have foregone the steers of a couple of the others to have had another go in the Turbo. Have to say I did spend a few weeks debating whether I could afford to scrape enough together to buy one and, thereafter, run it too! Sadly it would been a stretch too far - can only imagine what a later GT2 RS might be like.
For the money, this would be my choice, and 8 year years and 1000s of miles younger:
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/...
nebpor said:
Yes they are spanner friendly, as are all 911s, but you’d want the Indy doing an annual inspection to get their expert eyes over it
I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
£135 for wheel alignment - that's a lot.I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
nebpor said:
Yes they are spanner friendly, as are all 911s, but you’d want the Indy doing an annual inspection to get their expert eyes over it
I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
Broadly in line with, and in a couple of cases slightly cheaper than, main dealer service prices on my previous M140i. Not too horrific at all, IMO.I’d budget 2.5k/year on the basis of having great years and some bad ones, eg for when the turbos need done
Sport and Classic list their fixed price plans here - it’s who I just bought mine from
https://sportsandclassic.com/servicing-for-porsche...
I reckon if you used a specialist for the scheduled stuff (mostly to ensure proper regular inspections) and tackled ad-hoc component replacements (brakes, bushes etc) yourself, you could run one of these for fairly sensible money, at least for what the car is.
s m said:
This is one of the few Porsches I’ve ever actually driven..... and the one I’ve gone fastest in.
I was lucky enough to get a go at a free Supercar Experience thanks to someone gifting me their day as they couldn’t make it.
The cars were a Gallardo, Ferrari 360, AM V8 Vantage and a 996 Turbo. A lot of the opinion on these sort of days is down to the guardian/instructor in the passenger seat and the 2 most liberal for me were the 996 and AM guys - I found the 996 Turbo was terrific, especially the brakes.
I can’t say I danced it on the edge of adhesion or explored the outer limits of its V-max but the guy did let me give it a lot more revs than any of the other cars. I would have foregone the steers of a couple of the others to have had another go in the Turbo. Have to say I did spend a few weeks debating whether I could afford to scrape enough together to buy one and, thereafter, run it too! Sadly it would been a stretch too far - can only imagine what a later GT2 RS might be like.
Those performance figures still hold up today for sure(0 to 60/0 to 100). I thought that the power to weight figure looked low but then I noticed how much it weighs. I was lucky enough to get a go at a free Supercar Experience thanks to someone gifting me their day as they couldn’t make it.
The cars were a Gallardo, Ferrari 360, AM V8 Vantage and a 996 Turbo. A lot of the opinion on these sort of days is down to the guardian/instructor in the passenger seat and the 2 most liberal for me were the 996 and AM guys - I found the 996 Turbo was terrific, especially the brakes.
I can’t say I danced it on the edge of adhesion or explored the outer limits of its V-max but the guy did let me give it a lot more revs than any of the other cars. I would have foregone the steers of a couple of the others to have had another go in the Turbo. Have to say I did spend a few weeks debating whether I could afford to scrape enough together to buy one and, thereafter, run it too! Sadly it would been a stretch too far - can only imagine what a later GT2 RS might be like.
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