The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 5)
Discussion
Graveworm said:
I completely agree, but if my lack of concentration meant that I had an accident that I otherwise could avoid then it wouldn't comfort me fault or not. I can still get hurt in an accident that is someone else's fault. Attention should ebb and flow to prevent fatigue, but the driver should control that based on the potential hazards. I have been lucky and have never had an accident, but I have had near misses. They always annoy me and I don't think in any of them I can honestly say, there wasn't more I could have done.
I would say you've done precisely what was necessary if none of them resulted in any actual collision...?For the first time ever I wished I had a dashcam last night.
I was driving home and caught up with a couple of cars travelling at 40MPH or so on a 60 MPH single carriageway.
I didn't have far to go, so I sat back and waited for my turn.
Unfortunately, the first car took my turn and as I followed her (as it turned out) she drove along the road, small but two full lanes, with her SUV straddling the white line as if her vehicle was a slot car and the white line the slot!
Added to that, despite the limit being 40MPH, she barely strayed above 20MPH, slowing even more and swerving back onto her side of the road when vehicles approached from the opposite direction.
She turned off near my house and I noticed she was a middle aged woman, but honestly, she shouldn't be out on the road...
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I was driving home and caught up with a couple of cars travelling at 40MPH or so on a 60 MPH single carriageway.
I didn't have far to go, so I sat back and waited for my turn.
Unfortunately, the first car took my turn and as I followed her (as it turned out) she drove along the road, small but two full lanes, with her SUV straddling the white line as if her vehicle was a slot car and the white line the slot!
Added to that, despite the limit being 40MPH, she barely strayed above 20MPH, slowing even more and swerving back onto her side of the road when vehicles approached from the opposite direction.
She turned off near my house and I noticed she was a middle aged woman, but honestly, she shouldn't be out on the road...
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Frimley111R said:
marcosgt said:
She turned off near my house and I noticed she was a middle aged woman, but honestly, she shouldn't be out on the road...
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Some people have poor vision at night but that's no excuse. M
Centurion07 said:
I would say you've done precisely what was necessary if none of them resulted in any actual collision...?
Well say in that situation the VW crossing at the last second hit their brakes and managed just to avoid the BMW but an accident would have happened had they not, I would still be unhappy as the driver of either vehicle, obviously more so in the VW. carlove said:
OllieJolly said:
Me too with regards to hazard perception, hence why I suggested 10%. I always look for ways I can avoid collisions, and so far it has done me well.
I've had 1 collision since I started driving in 2013, and I was stationary in a car park when someone reversed into me.
If I assign that one 10% to myself, you'll surely all take the piss, but it's true, I do. Why? Because I didn't hit the horn, which might have made them look in the mirror and see me stopped.
For the cammer here, maybe it's 1%, the number isn't really important, my point was that the cammer wasn't entirely blameless, unless everyone is suggesting that there is absolutely nothing that the cammer could physically have done to avoid the collision?
For instance, it looks like he may have even had the cruise control on, and it certainly doesn't look like he braked, even after the collision. Which would make a little more sense if he did have the cruise on.
But it's all speculation, of course. I just can't believe I got jumped on for suggesting that there might have been something he could have done to avoid it. I would absolutely agree that it's the other drivers fault, and I assume the insurance companies did too.
Of course, I'm willing to accept I may be wrong by the way, so you can all calm down.
I’ll risk it all and agree with you. He wasn’t at fault at all, but looking at it I think it was avoidable. I've had 1 collision since I started driving in 2013, and I was stationary in a car park when someone reversed into me.
If I assign that one 10% to myself, you'll surely all take the piss, but it's true, I do. Why? Because I didn't hit the horn, which might have made them look in the mirror and see me stopped.
For the cammer here, maybe it's 1%, the number isn't really important, my point was that the cammer wasn't entirely blameless, unless everyone is suggesting that there is absolutely nothing that the cammer could physically have done to avoid the collision?
For instance, it looks like he may have even had the cruise control on, and it certainly doesn't look like he braked, even after the collision. Which would make a little more sense if he did have the cruise on.
But it's all speculation, of course. I just can't believe I got jumped on for suggesting that there might have been something he could have done to avoid it. I would absolutely agree that it's the other drivers fault, and I assume the insurance companies did too.
Of course, I'm willing to accept I may be wrong by the way, so you can all calm down.
This screenshot here (would have been in his peripherals a moment earlier) id like to think the Polo would have caught my eye and think “they’re not stopping”. To me It didn’t actually look like the cam car braked at all.
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|https://thumbsnap.com/eFMoe7Xj[/url'blame' is a strong word, that has obviously got the wrong connotations that has got everybody frothed up
I don't think the cam car has much, if any, blame, but like most accidents on the road, the person with less/zero blame could usually have done more to avoid the accident.
In this case, cam car wasn't going fast (as we've established), so equally, with a much wider field of view than the camera shows, with proper observation they could have taken evasive action and braked heavily to avoid the mistake of another driver. It's marginal, but possible I think.
p.s. I write this as someone who has their bike licence, and has spent most of my riding career avoiding the mistakes of other drivers.
Especially on a bike. It's not about right/wrong or blame, it's about self preservation.
Edited by monthefish on Friday 5th March 18:00
tigger1 said:
South Wimbledon - calmest reaction from a dashcam driver I've ever seen - other driver is, for want of a better word, an absolute 'case.
25 seconds in, save yourself a bit of time if the embedded link doesn't behave!:
f25 seconds in, save yourself a bit of time if the embedded link doesn't behave!:
k me, she needed a good firm kick up the arse. I’d be livid if I was the wronged party there, absolutely nothing whatsoever they could have done differently.
EDIT... I suppose they might have seen it out of peripheral vision, my spidey senses for cars not stopping are fairly well tuned but I think even I would have struggled!
monthefish said:
I agree.
'blame' is a strong word, that has obviously got the wrong connotations that has got everybody frothed up
I don't think the cam car has much, if any, blame, but like most accidents on the road, the person with less/zero blame could usually have done more to avoid the accident.
In this case, cam car wasn't going fast (as we've established), so equally, with a much wider field of view than the camera shows, with proper observation they could have taken evasive action and braked heavily to avoid the mistake of another driver. It's marginal, but possible I think.
p.s. I write this as someone who has their bike licence, and has spent most of my riding career avoiding the mistakes of other drivers.
Especially on a bike. It's not about right/wrong or blame, it's about self preservation.
No A-pillars on a bike, plus more incentive to check every single junction.'blame' is a strong word, that has obviously got the wrong connotations that has got everybody frothed up
I don't think the cam car has much, if any, blame, but like most accidents on the road, the person with less/zero blame could usually have done more to avoid the accident.
In this case, cam car wasn't going fast (as we've established), so equally, with a much wider field of view than the camera shows, with proper observation they could have taken evasive action and braked heavily to avoid the mistake of another driver. It's marginal, but possible I think.
p.s. I write this as someone who has their bike licence, and has spent most of my riding career avoiding the mistakes of other drivers.
Especially on a bike. It's not about right/wrong or blame, it's about self preservation.
Edited by monthefish on Friday 5th March 18:00
eldar said:
Another episode of stuntman driving training school.Graveworm said:
I completely agree, but if my lack of concentration meant that I had an accident that I otherwise could avoid then it wouldn't comfort me fault or not. I can still get hurt in an accident that is someone else's fault. Attention should ebb and flow to prevent fatigue, but the driver should control that based on the potential hazards. I have been lucky and have never had an accident, but I have had near misses. They always annoy me and I don't think in any of them I can honestly say, there wasn't more I could have done.
Yes, I understand what you mean, the one time I've been hit by someone, if I'd better interpreted what they were about to do, maybe I'd have avoided them.Sometimes you can't, but that self-analysis of "what could I have done differently in that situation to have made it turn out better?" is an important part of trying to be a good driver.
Piginapoke said:
8.50, surely accidentally hitting the wrong pedal? Piginapoke said:
5:13 must be the biggest overuse of the horn I've seen on one of these clips. A pip of the horn would be warranted as the idiot started moving off as a warning, not when the idiot is in front of you and keep holding it for 7 seconds. tigger1 said:
South Wimbledon - calmest reaction from a dashcam driver I've ever seen - other driver is, for want of a better word, an absolute 'case.
25 seconds in, save yourself a bit of time if the embedded link doesn't behave!:
Honestly, I think I do pretty well anticipating stuff and I appreciate that the human eye sees a wider angle than that camera, but that guy had no chance. I'd love to be as chilled as that!25 seconds in, save yourself a bit of time if the embedded link doesn't behave!:
Piginapoke said:
As usual do most people who publish dash cam clips go out of their way to try to have a collision?If someone's in the wrong lane why not just let them in and on their way.
saaby93 said:
As usual do most people who publish dash cam clips go out of their way to try to have a collision?
If someone's in the wrong lane why not just let them in and on their way.
Because the footage wouldn't be worth uploading if they just accepted people sometimes make mistakes and help them out. If someone's in the wrong lane why not just let them in and on their way.
The road rage with the Prius around the start (I'm very careful around Priuses, always expect a Prius to do something stupid), it was clear what he was going to do (didn't follow the Mercedes' line) , and he was in front enough that he could have just gone behind him and shook his head, maybe even give him a toot (I think that'd have earnt a quick toot from me) and then got on with his day.
Piss poor driving from the Prius, but completely unnecessary escalation by the DCW. Of course if he just braked and went behind he wouldn't have got such a good video to upload. Guessing from the submitter being "Essex Dashcam" he has a dashcam channel that I can't be arsed looking for.
Piginapoke said:
Waiting For Godot at 9:00.ScotHill said:
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