The "S**t Driving Caught On Cam" Thread (Vol 5)

[carinaman]

RipTrip1 said:

As for the video without audio it's useless, far more likely the DC's car had some illegal mod on it.

It's from a camera on a Tesla. It has cameras that don't have microphones.

You're probably correct. The Tesla probably had an anti-socially loud exhaust.

[jamei303]

The police should start charging early mergers with obstruction.

[Dashnine]

I was in this situation in Friday on the A14 near Newmarket. The queuing started well before the signs were visible, ‘early mergers’ were merging as they must have been locals and ignored the ‘Merge in Turn’ signs which they must have previously seen.

Have been in many situations where ‘early mergers’ delay the left lane hugely, how are those like me who are not from the local area to know it’s a lane closure ahead of the closure signs.

I try to stay at the same speed as the left lane, often following a blocking lorry (don’t have a problem with that) and position alongside a gap between vehicles, indicate and merge when appropriate (i.e. just before the cones).

[Laurel Green]

saaby93 said:

Someone else said that the simple concept is that everyone merges in turn like a zip

For a simple concept there seems to be too many interpretations of it

If one tooth of one side of the zip is passing lots of teeth on the other side - does that work?

If it is preventing a tailback onto a busy road/roundabout/junction, then yes, I believe it does does.

[bunchofkeys]

mcpoot said:

saaby93 said:

blueg33 said:

RipTrip1 said:

Its not fair that cars in the right hand lane get to make more progress than the decent drivers who selected the correct lane way before the merge point. So you end up with nobbers swooping into the right lane and blasting past all the decent drivers only to sneak in at the very end of the queue thus holding everyone else up.
Put it this way have you ever made MORE progress by just being in the left lane a mile before the merge point? No? Thats thanks to drivers like you cutting in at the end of the merge point. Copper was right to book him

I really hope this is not serious. But it certainly seems to be the attitude of many people at a merge point.

The roads seem to be full of fools who can’t grasp some of the simplest concepts.

Someone else said that the simple concept is that everyone merges in turn like a zip

For a simple concept there seems to be too many interpretations of it

If one tooth of one side of the zip is passing lots of teeth on the other side - does that work?

When I wear a jacket I like to have both sides the same length when I zip it up. Your suggestion is to zip one side into the other half way up. Now ask yourself which of us is wearing the jacket the way it was designed.

RipTrip1 earlier that day, Trolly McTrollface

[loskie]

Juice: your one line says all that needs to be said.

[XF-Andy]

All I can say on the merge topic is:
If the road planners wanted you to merge earlier they would have made the merge point earlier!

Not difficult to understand is it.

[Ron240]

XF-Andy said:

All I can say on the merge topic is:
If the road planners wanted you to merge earlier they would have made the merge point earlier!

Not difficult to understand is it.

Apparently it is.
And they even try to avoid any confusion by putting up signs saying "Use Both Lanes"

[dxg]

XF-Andy said:

All I can say on the merge topic is:
If the road planners wanted you to merge earlier they would have made the merge point earlier!

Not difficult to understand is it.

Hmmm.

Picture a bottle of wine standing on the shelves at Tesco and you're considering buying it.

The neck of the bottle is the merge point and its cross-sectional area is the amount of traffic it can accommodate.

If you move the neck down to the base, you're not going to fit much traffic into your road/bottle, are you?

"bottleneck" geddit?

[Centurion07]

dxg said:

Hmmm.

Picture a bottle of wine standing on the shelves at Tesco and you're considering buying it.

The neck of the bottle is the merge point and its cross-sectional area is the amount of traffic it can accommodate.

If you move the neck down to the base, you're not going to fit much traffic into your road/bottle, are you?

"bottleneck" geddit?

WTF does this have to do with anything?!

[XF-Andy]

dxg said:

Hmmm.

Picture a bottle of wine standing on the shelves at Tesco and you're considering buying it.

The neck of the bottle is the merge point and its cross-sectional area is the amount of traffic it can accommodate.

If you move the neck down to the base, you're not going to fit much traffic into your road/bottle, are you?

"bottleneck" geddit?

God I don’t even know whether you’re agreeing with me or not with that analogy!

[Psycho Warren]

i find it hilariously amusing how beat up and upset most drivers get when you merge in turn correctly.

[anonymous-user]

Psycho Warren said:

i find it hilariously amusing how beat up and upset most drivers get when you merge in turn correctly.

merge in turn only works id the flow of traffic is a certain speed, if it doesn't then the only point is to reduce quque length. I've never seen anyone merge in turn correctly, it is usually the merger driving as fast as they can to the very end to the merge, which doesnt work unless the traffic is flowing ar a rate that allows instant slot.

[saaby93]

Psycho Warren said:

i find it hilariously amusing how beat up and upset most drivers get when you merge in turn correctly.

What is correctly

[saaby93]

XF-Andy said:

dxg said:

Hmmm.

Picture a bottle of wine standing on the shelves at Tesco and you're considering buying it.

The neck of the bottle is the merge point and its cross-sectional area is the amount of traffic it can accommodate.

If you move the neck down to the base, you're not going to fit much traffic into your road/bottle, are you?

"bottleneck" geddit?

God I don’t even know whether you’re agreeing with me or not with that analogy!

same as a post office queue analogy
Load of people queued up to the till
you can see there's clear space alongside up to the front
and everyone looks miffed if you use that space to join at the front

Is that agreeing or disagreeing?

[FWIW]

saaby93 said:

same as a post office queue analogy
Load of people queued up to the till
you can see there's clear space alongside up to the front
and everyone looks miffed if you use that space to join at the front

Is that agreeing or disagreeing?

At what point do you think the merge should occur?

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

What is correctly

this highlights perefectly how people get it wrong, as well s poor road traffic designers, and the highway code being out of date.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX0I8OdK7Tk

The way to help zip merging is reduce traffic speed, driving to the end to then merge only helps the person merging, it slows the rest of the flow of traffic.

That is why you have merge in turn, to reduce quque length, and zip merge to keep overall traffic flowing.

[Blakewater]

saaby93 said:

C.A.R. said:

saaby93 said:

Merging like a zip is one thing
merging by jumping ahead a number of teeth doesnt really work like a zip
Ultimately you can get enough people teeth jumping that the back of one lane hardly moves at all
Hold station against corresponding teeth - dont merge early and dont jump position

But then you get situations like in the video - the hard-of-thinking general public who all merge early leaving a long stretch of empty road. If the camera car had 'held station' then there is no traffic on that road until it all crawls up to the merge point.

Your logic doesn't make sense when too many people merge too early.

It only doesnt make sense if once theyve merged , people jump ahead and slow down the merged into lane
Hold station - you're doing your bit about using road space by not merging in too early
If enough people held station, it helps everyone. Jumping ahead only makes it worse

If 50% of drivers use the outside lane and 50% use the inside lane, the overall queue length can be reduced so it doesn't stretch over previous junctions and affect adjoining roads and nobody will be gaining an advantage over anyone else.

The problem occurs when the majority of people use one lane and a minority use the one that's coming to an end. Those in the lane that has to merge in are seen as gaining an unfair advantage and drivers in the other lane want to punish them by blocking them from merging or straddling the lanes.

The police officer in the video was in the outside lane and where he moved in was a fairly random point. Those who moved in sooner and those he passed could have said he was queue jumping and pushing in. There's an argument for being in the inside lane from the start of the queue and an argument for driving up to the cones and moving in. If you're in the outside lane, you oblige someone you've just passed to let you move in and you then criticise someone who goes a bit further up to the merge point, you're not really on the right side of any argument.

[anonymous-user]

Merge at the merge point. If a lane is free, because all the numpties are queuing up on the inside, then use it!

Simples.

[mcpoot]

saaby93 said:

Psycho Warren said:

i find it hilariously amusing how beat up and upset most drivers get when you merge in turn correctly.

What is correctly

If you seriously don't know then you're part of the problem.