Bell tolls for BMW i8 production
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big_rob_sydney said:
In that order, it's expensive to buy, the stated fuel economy is an outright lie, and it is not particularly quick.
The fuel economy lie isn’t really all that different for any other car; the published figures are all a work of fiction.You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
Edited by Court_S on Wednesday 15th January 17:02
Court_S said:
The fuel economy lie isn’t really all that different for any other car; the published figures are all a work of fiction.
You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
Edited by Court_S on Wednesday 15th January 17:02
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
big_rob_sydney said:
Court_S said:
The fuel economy lie isn’t really all that different for any other car; the published figures are all a work of fiction.
You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
Edited by Court_S on Wednesday 15th January 17:02
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
It’s a s
t test. That’s not BMWs fault.
big_rob_sydney said:
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
It's not in any way fraudulent. Those are EU figures achieved on the EU designed test. Every car on sale underperforms in the real world compared to EU figures due to the nature of the test. Hybrids that are able to run in EV-only make this look worse because they can run a significant portion of the test in EV, to a greater extent than is possible in many real world situations. It's the test that is unrealistic, not the claims of the manufacturers.Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
The US EPA test is more realistic, and in that the i8 is rated at 76 mpgUS (91 mpg imperial).
Obviously everyone drives differently, in a different manner on different routes and in different conditions. All of this will affect the fuel economy, and only a naive fool would think otherwise.
big_rob_sydney said:
Court_S said:
The fuel economy lie isn’t really all that different for any other car; the published figures are all a work of fiction.
You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.You do seem particularly upset by the existence of the i8.
Interesting to actually hear from those who own them. Like on other threads they get a lot of praise as a car to own / drive.
Edited by Court_S on Wednesday 15th January 17:02
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
BMW lent me a roadster - the convertible. I thought it was brilliant. The chassis is superb. It rides really well. Depending on your commute you could do hundreds of mpg. It was surprisingly refined. It certainly felt a quality product. I think these will be seen as a future classic. They've sold naff all of them compared to what porsche sell. If it had the V8 from the E92 M3 it would be perfect.
erics said:
It is extremely well damped and does flow with the road rather than try to hurt your back and your teeth like most other modern 'Nurburgring Enhanced' sportscars.
Just my 2 pence..
It is a Nürburgring enhanced sportscar.Just my 2 pence..
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4GpgQ-wjDvI
Kawasicki said:
Try any 911 turbo and an i8 and tell me which one you’d prefer to do 1000 miles in through Europe. I know which one i’d choose. Had both. Bottom line: i8 is not a track car and the better for it.erics said:
Kawasicki said:
Try any 911 turbo and an i8 and tell me which one you’d prefer to do 1000 miles in through Europe. I know which one i’d choose. Had both. Bottom line: i8 is not a track car and the better for it.Kawasicki said:
That‘s nothing to do with the Nürburgring though. A 911 Turbo is also not a track car.
It has, because since every manufacturer have started testing most of their cars there, they have become a lot harder, less supple, less flowing. Just for the sake of lap times.Porsche would not release any flavour of 911 unless it was faster around the ring than the previous version.
Anyway, it’s by the by. I don’t even know why we are even debating this.
Bottom line is: the i8 is a fantastic road car that gets under your skin the more you drive it. It is super useable as a daily if you can deal with the wide seals and doors. Slim, athletic people will be ok. Slightly taller, bigger people may find it more challenging.
The i8 is hard to get your head around. Even Autocar did a 911 comparison test at Castle Coombe, and found it was as quick as the Porsche. Which surprised them. Then they mentioned that the i8 was keeping up *without* any electricity. What other car would be tested without turning on the other engine's 110+ bhp?
Unlike most reports on t'interwebs Road & Track did a full performance test, driving by one C Harris. Result? BMW's 0-60 in 4.2 seconds time is modest. R&T got to 60mph in 3.8 seconds. Light weight, 3 motors, and 570Nm of torques will all have helped.
Dig around and there's reports of 50-75mph in 2.6 seconds.
Not too shabby then. I'm sure someone will be along with 911 comparisons.
The facelift car tweaked the suspension setup, and now understeers less... but hey, it's a mid-engined car. However low the centre of gravity is, go fast into a corner and you will be rewarded with slow out understeer.
So, yeah, I bought one - ex BMW 2019 fleet car, at a very nice discount.
It's incredibly usable - far more so than the supercar shape would suggest. The i8 is a relaxing long-distance GT. It'll carry plenty of luggage on the back seats. Long trip mpg averages out around 40-55mpg depending on the road and if I can pick up some charge every couple of hours. Local trips? Nothing.
ymmv!
Unlike most reports on t'interwebs Road & Track did a full performance test, driving by one C Harris. Result? BMW's 0-60 in 4.2 seconds time is modest. R&T got to 60mph in 3.8 seconds. Light weight, 3 motors, and 570Nm of torques will all have helped.
Dig around and there's reports of 50-75mph in 2.6 seconds.
Not too shabby then. I'm sure someone will be along with 911 comparisons.
The facelift car tweaked the suspension setup, and now understeers less... but hey, it's a mid-engined car. However low the centre of gravity is, go fast into a corner and you will be rewarded with slow out understeer.
So, yeah, I bought one - ex BMW 2019 fleet car, at a very nice discount.
It's incredibly usable - far more so than the supercar shape would suggest. The i8 is a relaxing long-distance GT. It'll carry plenty of luggage on the back seats. Long trip mpg averages out around 40-55mpg depending on the road and if I can pick up some charge every couple of hours. Local trips? Nothing.
ymmv!
big_rob_sydney said:
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
For somebody who has spent nearly 14 years on a car enthusiasts forum and having access to all of the knowledge provided within it your appreciation and understanding of anything automotive is consistently and mind bogglingly poor.Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
Has there ever been any tuning options for these or is the engine at the peak of it's ability already? I have read about restyled versions but they always seem to leave the drivetrain untouched. I actually quite like the AC Schnitzer take on it, bar the rear spoiler, and I'm slightly suprised that BMW themselves never offered an M version even if it only served as a halo car to help boost sales of the regular model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igi9MUqYPkQ
Apologies for anyone offended by Shmee, I can tolerate him personally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igi9MUqYPkQ
Apologies for anyone offended by Shmee, I can tolerate him personally.
gigglebug said:
big_rob_sydney said:
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
For somebody who has spent nearly 14 years on a car enthusiasts forum and having access to all of the knowledge provided within it your appreciation and understanding of anything automotive is consistently and mind bogglingly poor.Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
Still, if your mind is boggled, maybe your mind isn't that strong to begin with. Shall I use smaller words for you in future?
big_rob_sydney said:
gigglebug said:
big_rob_sydney said:
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
For somebody who has spent nearly 14 years on a car enthusiasts forum and having access to all of the knowledge provided within it your appreciation and understanding of anything automotive is consistently and mind bogglingly poor.Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
Still, if your mind is boggled, maybe your mind isn't that strong to begin with. Shall I use smaller words for you in future?
big_rob_sydney said:
Appreciation and understanding... is that a euphemism for "people can lie to you and you have to simply take it"? More so when spending £100k+ new?
Still, if your mind is boggled, maybe your mind isn't that strong to begin with. Shall I use smaller words for you in future?
Please explain the lie and use whatever words you like, large or small. It has already been explained to you in simple enough terms why it isn't a lie on BMW's behalf, even if the results are misleading in the real world, but it was obviously beyond your cognitive ability to understand it. Unfortunately as hard as folks might try that is the one bit that they will never be able to for you. Once you have attempted to come up with what you consider an appropriate explanation it will be clear for all to see who's mind isn't all that strong to begin with (even if it isn't already).Still, if your mind is boggled, maybe your mind isn't that strong to begin with. Shall I use smaller words for you in future?
big_rob_sydney said:
gigglebug said:
big_rob_sydney said:
The fuel economy headline figure quoted is 130 mpg.
Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
For somebody who has spent nearly 14 years on a car enthusiasts forum and having access to all of the knowledge provided within it your appreciation and understanding of anything automotive is consistently and mind bogglingly poor.Owners report real world figures of maybe 65 mpg.
We're not talking about a small difference here. This difference is potentially fraudulent. Look at the trouble VW got into for their defeat software. How can this be acceptable?
Still, if your mind is boggled, maybe your mind isn't that strong to begin with. Shall I use smaller words for you in future?
As another poster asked, what part of the economy figures are "potentially fraudulent"? BMW didn't invent the NEDC test rules which were what the i8 was judged by when it was launched; they had to abide by them, just like everyone else did!
Also, what does mentioning VW's defeat software for diesel engine co2 emissions have to do with a petrol engined hybrid vehicle made by an unrelated manufacturer?
Take your time. We'll all wait.
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