Volkswagen T Roc R | UK Drive
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the_hood said:
GTEYE said:
It’s a £40k car with a £15k car interior.
This! Surprising that VW gave it such a low rent interior. It'll sell well, that's reason enough to build them.Assume this has a bigger boot than a golf-r and no additional security.
Nice of VW to make criminals life easier, they can carry more loot in this.
Edited by hyphen on Monday 20th January 08:26
nickfrog said:
NDNDNDND said:
nickfrog said:
NDNDNDND said:
I have to admit, I don't get this idea that its impossible to have fun driving on the roads. I live in the SE, and there are fantastic roads here, if you know where to look. That said, I do try to drive everywhere in an MX-5. I mean, I don't want to be one of those people who check out posters' profiles but Nick, you appear to drive a Peugeot 3008. I mean, it's little wonder you hate road driving... I can see it's not your only car, but still.
Yes perhaps I am not looking hard enough but the reality is that I do track days and by sheer contrast, the open road is soporific IME, hence the 3008 which is not the cause but the consequence. It is actually the perfect road car for family and bike transport but yes a MX5 would be more fun but probably not as practical. (...)
Try harder, rather than giving up and buying some bland crossover and then complaining that it's boring.
hyphen said:
Haven't you got a Urus? If road driving is so boring, why did you get a sports suv?...
Again, I don't enjoy road driving irrespective of car, if anything, the better the car, the more frustrating. I didn't get a sports SUV (whatever that is).
But it is leased, not because I am addicted, but because it was less than depreciation on discounted new.
The newish breed of faster SUVs like the T Roc R are the best compromise for the rigours of day to day driving over the country's roads.
With the ever present danger of potholes,broken tarmac, muddied and poorly drained road surfaces, your daily transport needs to be more robust and equipped with tyres to suit.
The higher driving position of an SUV also benefits greatly on rural B roads where better views of the road ahead can be gained over the likes of stone dykes, hedges etc.
All these benefits can be real lifesavers!
As to the comment that SUV's are only suitable for 'non drivers', what nonsense!
A good driver should be able to drive any vehicle well and shouldn't confuse the needs of a trackday with those of the public road.
With the ever present danger of potholes,broken tarmac, muddied and poorly drained road surfaces, your daily transport needs to be more robust and equipped with tyres to suit.
The higher driving position of an SUV also benefits greatly on rural B roads where better views of the road ahead can be gained over the likes of stone dykes, hedges etc.
All these benefits can be real lifesavers!
As to the comment that SUV's are only suitable for 'non drivers', what nonsense!
A good driver should be able to drive any vehicle well and shouldn't confuse the needs of a trackday with those of the public road.
NDNDNDND said:
nickfrog said:
Water Fairy said:
Non driver
As in not interested in, nor derives pleasure from driving
That will be me. Road driving bores me to death. In SE England it's about traffic, pot holes and speed enforcement. A SUV is perfect and I don't have to use it for track days or Ring trips. As in not interested in, nor derives pleasure from driving
I certainly don't care how new my car is or where it came from it just happens that both are German atm. My CB1000R isn't though..........
In reference to the non driver comment several of you have in fact proved me right. In the context of road driving you have little interest, and have therefore chosen, or would consider something like the T-Roc.
Paraphrasing somewhat but your words not mine.
Hence I stand by my comment that the T-Roc is perfect for non drivers. Perhaps, however, I should have been a little more specific and referenced road driving.
Many of us need to do a fair few miles on the public road so surely a little effort to make it as enjoyable as possible wouldn't go amiss?
You can still be practical AND have a little fun!
Paraphrasing somewhat but your words not mine.
Hence I stand by my comment that the T-Roc is perfect for non drivers. Perhaps, however, I should have been a little more specific and referenced road driving.
Many of us need to do a fair few miles on the public road so surely a little effort to make it as enjoyable as possible wouldn't go amiss?
You can still be practical AND have a little fun!
I really like it. Currently own a Tiguan (old shape) and suspect this wouldn't be big enough for 3 sprogs, but I think it looks great, especially at the front.
Amazing how quickly those analogue dials for the climate control have aged overnight - now that the MK8 Golf has been launched, they look strangely old-fashioned somehow?!
Amazing how quickly those analogue dials for the climate control have aged overnight - now that the MK8 Golf has been launched, they look strangely old-fashioned somehow?!
Water Fairy said:
In reference to the non driver comment several of you have in fact proved me right. In the context of road driving you have little interest, and have therefore chosen, or would consider something like the T-Roc.
Paraphrasing somewhat but your words not mine.
Hence I stand by my comment that the T-Roc is perfect for non drivers. Perhaps, however, I should have been a little more specific and referenced road driving.
Many of us need to do a fair few miles on the public road so surely a little effort to make it as enjoyable as possible wouldn't go amiss?
You can still be practical AND have a little fun!
Can you provide a list of cars for non drivers please Paraphrasing somewhat but your words not mine.
Hence I stand by my comment that the T-Roc is perfect for non drivers. Perhaps, however, I should have been a little more specific and referenced road driving.
Many of us need to do a fair few miles on the public road so surely a little effort to make it as enjoyable as possible wouldn't go amiss?
You can still be practical AND have a little fun!
"there's no escaping the inevitable handicap: weight. This little 4.2m crossover is 1,575kg at the kerb; while lighter than a Golf R estate, that's 70kg heavier than a five-door, DSG Golf hatch, and it is noticeable. Performance isn't as enthusiastic, direction changes lacking just a wee bit in precision and willing."
You really think you can actually notice a 70kg weight difference on a 1600kg car?
You really think you can actually notice a 70kg weight difference on a 1600kg car?
indapendentlee said:
"there's no escaping the inevitable handicap: weight. This little 4.2m crossover is 1,575kg at the kerb; while lighter than a Golf R estate, that's 70kg heavier than a five-door, DSG Golf hatch, and it is noticeable. Performance isn't as enthusiastic, direction changes lacking just a wee bit in precision and willing."
You really think you can actually notice a 70kg weight difference on a 1600kg car?
The PH forum keyboard warriors can tell the difference in 5kg while they hit the apex on the way to the shops You really think you can actually notice a 70kg weight difference on a 1600kg car?
I saw one of these a couple of months back when i popped into VW for an abs sensor. I was genuinely surprised by how much i liked the look of the thing, in person it didnt look as big or cumbersome looking as the none press pictures show. Although i still stand by the best of both worlds being the Golf R Estate
Water Fairy said:
In reference to the non driver comment several of you have in fact proved me right. In the context of road driving you have little interest, and have therefore chosen, or would consider something like the T-Roc.
Paraphrasing somewhat but your words not mine.
Hence I stand by my comment that the T-Roc is perfect for non drivers. Perhaps, however, I should have been a little more specific and referenced road driving.
Many of us need to do a fair few miles on the public road so surely a little effort to make it as enjoyable as possible wouldn't go amiss?
You can still be practical AND have a little fun!
Looking at your Garage I'd say my sporty SUV (Forester Sti) would be both more practical and faster than anything in your fleet so I'm confused as to your point.Paraphrasing somewhat but your words not mine.
Hence I stand by my comment that the T-Roc is perfect for non drivers. Perhaps, however, I should have been a little more specific and referenced road driving.
Many of us need to do a fair few miles on the public road so surely a little effort to make it as enjoyable as possible wouldn't go amiss?
You can still be practical AND have a little fun!
It's not a personal attack I'm just struggling to see what you are saying.
I'd still take a Golf R estate over one of these, as i prefer to be sat lower to the ground and the aesthetics are more desirable to me. You also get a pretty big boot, so i think it makes more sense in terms of practicality.
There's no denying that SUV's, big or small, are big sellers at the moment and are only becoming more and more popular. It's not hard to see the appeal in these faster variants.
There's no denying that SUV's, big or small, are big sellers at the moment and are only becoming more and more popular. It's not hard to see the appeal in these faster variants.
nickfrog said:
What are you talking about ? As I said, I chose a SUV as a consequence of road driving being boring to me and for its ideal suitability for bike and family transport and it's not the cause at all.
I also have the Megane Cup on AD08Rs and the driving on the road is as soporific, not because of the car but because of the traffic, pot holes and speed enforcement.
I am not complaining about anything and certainly not about the car, nor giving up on anything, I am stating my experience of road driving being boring compared to driving as a sport, ie on track. If anything, road driving makes me do even more track driving, so it's the opposite of giving up. Remember I am reacting to the guy saying that SUVs are for non-drivers.
I have to admit, I do find this kinda puzzling. Traffic I either avoid or overtake, potholes I drive around, and speed enforcement generally doesn't appear on roads you can have fun on (twisty ones), plus I don't need to speed to have fun on the road anyway. I really don't get how you struggle to have any fun. I also have the Megane Cup on AD08Rs and the driving on the road is as soporific, not because of the car but because of the traffic, pot holes and speed enforcement.
I am not complaining about anything and certainly not about the car, nor giving up on anything, I am stating my experience of road driving being boring compared to driving as a sport, ie on track. If anything, road driving makes me do even more track driving, so it's the opposite of giving up. Remember I am reacting to the guy saying that SUVs are for non-drivers.
Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th January 02:48
Also, why do you own two family cars? You say you're mad keen on your trackdays, but you drive a podgy family car for every day use, and then you drive a family hatchback on track. You're all about buying suitable cars for their function, so why don't you use your sensible family hatchback on the road (so you might actually enjoy it), and then buy something more focused for track use?
NDNDNDND said:
I have to admit, I do find this kinda puzzling. Traffic I either avoid or overtake, potholes I drive around, and speed enforcement generally doesn't appear on roads you can have fun on (twisty ones), plus I don't need to speed to have fun on the road anyway. I really don't get how you struggle to have any fun.
Also, why do you own two family cars? You say you're mad keen on your trackdays, but you drive a podgy family car for every day use, and then you drive a family hatchback on track. You're all about buying suitable cars for their function, so why don't you use your sensible family hatchback on the road (so you might actually enjoy it), and then buy something more focused for track use?
I am really touched by your attention and interest for my choices. There is nothing podgy about the 3008, it is 1250kgs. Again, it s perfect functionaly to transport the family or my Enduro mountain bike to places where estates can't get. The Megane is the ideal trackable daily for me, which I probably use 3 times a week to commute although I prefer the 3008 for that but have to share with my wife. I insist on car's under manufacturers warranty and I need a minimum of comfort for the overseas track like Spa and the Ring or the ones that are quite far from me, namely Cadwell and Oulton. The Megane is one of those cars that work on track practically out of the box as its so neutral. Just pads and fluid plus the usual AD08Rs and you're away. I can even fit my bike in it when the Peugeot is not available, although it's a it of a pain by contrast. The Yaris is the kids' car but I occasionally borrow it as it is on all weather tyres. I thought I'd pre-empt that for your inevitable next questionAlso, why do you own two family cars? You say you're mad keen on your trackdays, but you drive a podgy family car for every day use, and then you drive a family hatchback on track. You're all about buying suitable cars for their function, so why don't you use your sensible family hatchback on the road (so you might actually enjoy it), and then buy something more focused for track use?
Satisfied?
If not, perhaps PM me for more details and rationale?
If you can name 2 alternative cars that would work better for us, I am all ears.
Edited by nickfrog on Monday 20th January 22:40
Can you imagine borrowing money and knowing that its coming out of your account every week for 2-3 years and one your driveway all you have is a a tarted up, characterless generic blob? I can understand base model SUVs for their functionality but when even the 1.5 is rocking a torquey punchy turbo throwing good money at a bit more power and some flash bits on what basically looks like a chromed mushroom is a hideous idea
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