Brexit will change the mix of cars sold in the UK.
Discussion
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
Good. Had to put up with 3 years whining as it is thanks.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
Glosphil said:
Perhaps the car manufacturers will have to start selling electric cars at prices 'normal' people can afford, i.e. not £30k+ but under £20K. That would bring down their average CO2 emissions.
No, it just means that non complying cars will become more expensive. There may be some EV tax breaks, but there won't be any incentive or commercial ability for big manufacturer discounts in the UK market. 
Down and out said:
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
Good. Had to put up with 3 years whining as it is thanks.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it,
"and the battle after it" there's the key my friend and hence why the answer to both is yes.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it,
Rocket. said:
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it,
"and the battle after it" there's the key my friend and hence why the answer to both is yes.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it,
Which brings me to my next point, which is about detail. Since the ballot paper didn’t define exactly what Brexit would look like (especially concerning single market / customs union), is it really so unpalatable to you as a leaver that people and MPs might want to debate that and feel they still had some hand in it?
I personally took it to mean that we would leave all the institutions including single market and customs union (in the absence of detail). In fact, had it been stated on the ballot we wouldn’t, I might have flirted with leaving myself (shock horror). In addition to this, almost any credible voice on the leaver side during the campaign said we would “be mad” to also leave the common market. Now they go on as if they’ve been saying the opposite all along.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Wednesday 22 January 18:39
markyb_lcy said:
Rocket. said:
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it,
"and the battle after it" there's the key my friend and hence why the answer to both is yes.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it,
Which brings me to my next point, which is about detail. Since the ballot paper didn’t define exactly what Brexit would look like (especially concerning single market / customs union), is it really so unpalatable to you as a leaver that people and MPs might want to debate that and feel they still had some hand in it?
I personally took it to mean that we would leave all the institutions including single market and customs union (in the absence of detail). In fact, had it been stated on the ballot we wouldn’t, I might have flirted with leaving myself (shock horror). In addition to this, almost any credible voice on the leaver side during the campaign said we would “be mad” to also leave the common market. Now they go on as if they’ve been saying the opposite all along.
Edited by markyb_lcy on Wednesday 22 January 18:39
As a result and after 2 years of Leavers being told by large parts of the media your vote didn't matter, you didn't know what you were doing and its not going to happen, remainers shouldn't winge when they are reminded that they lost. Personally I think everyone has to move on now but if some leave voters are still gloating it's hardly surprising.
No problem with MP's debating anything, that's a big part of their job. Some will want more alignment others less so or none at all, politicians who say one thing then say or do another, no one should be shocked by this.
What any of this will ultimately do for the mix of the cars in the UK is anyones guess, but I happen to like and have been generally happy with German cars (last car was JLR but never again) so if I can afford to I will buy them.
ked off.Justin Case said:
One of the main planks of the leave campaign, and the recent election campaign of the government which was elected with a thumping majority was that we would no longer be shackled by EU regulations so why the surprise when some folk are unhappy when it appears that we still will be?
The actual “surprise” appears to be that in order to have a trade deal with the EU we will need to align with the same regulations in many many areas, and yet we won’t have a say in making those regulations, as we’ve previously had. Or rather we will have a say, but it’s our say vs the say of 26 countries. Call it “shackled” if you will, but that’s how free trade works.Or did those leavers just think we’d have our cake AND eat it?
It will all come out in the wash, that’s for sure.
Olivergt said:
RogerDodger said:
95JO said:
RogerDodger said:
A) and that's a bad thing?
B) it's the "independent".
A) Yes, if you're the average PH'erB) it's the "independent".
B) Don't people say similar about every newspaper? Could you tell me the appropriate newspaper to read, please?
Facts are not dependent upon the person/paper providing them, they stand or fall on their own merits.
Here is a link to the UK Government documentation on the changes:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2019/550/pdfs/u...
Section 12 outlines any impacts that the government can envisage:
12. Impact
12.1 There is no significant impact on business, charities or voluntary bodies.
12.2 There is no significant impact on the public sector.
12.3 An Impact Assessment has not been prepared for this instrument because the costs and
benefits to business are expected to fall below £5m in any one calendar year. The
instrument maintains existing regulatory standards for CO2 emissions from newly
registered cars and vans in the UK, so will not impose any additional regulatory
burden at the point of the UK’s withdrawal from the EU.
12.4 When the formulae are updated as required by the legislation, and the average mass
figure in the formulae reflects a UK average rather than an EU average, economic
models indicate that increasing uptake of electric vehicles through the early 2020s
will allow manufacturers to meet the new targets without any additional economic
burden.
Looking at 12.4, it seems to be saying that if electric car sales reach the expected targets there won't be an impact, so we will have to wait and see if electric car sales meet the required targets.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 22 January 15:55
Patrick Bateman said:
This was mentioned in Harry's Garage recently. Sounds like it will require a decent amount of hybrids/electric given the CO2 ratings of most fleet cars.
That is kind of the point...Though it does mean manufacturers are scouring supply from everywhere else to sell in Europe.
WonkeyDonkey said:
This can't be great news for JLR, especially on day they've already announced job losses.
Surely it will be very difficult for them to get their figures down that low unless the i-Pace starts selling in ridiculous numbers.
I don’t get this. Why don’t JLR put the i-Pace gubbins in Land Rovers. They’d sell like hot cakes.Surely it will be very difficult for them to get their figures down that low unless the i-Pace starts selling in ridiculous numbers.
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
Hmm. I've seen leavers, on the whole, being very quiet about the win. Probably to avoid the ire of remainers that we've endured and cowered from for years.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
The same reason we all kept quiet until we voted in the general election, en masse.
And btw , we have been "painted as inferior" for several years because we didn't have the minority opinion , to remain.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 23 January 01:10
RogerDodger said:
markyb_lcy said:
Are leavers the least gracious “winners” of anything anywhere, ever?
Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
Hmm. I've seen leavers, on the whole, being very quiet about the win. Probably to avoid the ire of remainers.Not content winning the vote and the battle after it, they’re now intent on getting some pathetic satisfaction out of rubbing remainers noses in it, shutting down any discussion over our future with the EU (which by the way is still to be had at the highest level), and painting us all as somehow inferior because we don’t have a majority opinion.
Yay for populism, eh.
The same reason we all kept quiet until we voted in the general election, en masse.
You're also perpetuating a slight fallacy, albeit in a very subtle way, that everyone who voted for BJ and the Tories did so because they were leavers. That’s simply not true. There will have been lifelong Tory voters that were remainers who voted Tory. There will have been lifelong (until now) labour voters (both remain and leave) who voted Tory, not because they are leavers but because they cannot stand JC. And ... lots of other scenarios.
The leave vs remain vote was won 52% vs 48%. Despite being told by various armchair pundits and some politicians over and over that this is some “overwhelming majority”, the simple fact is ... it isn’t. We have a country very narrowly divided over one issue, and somehow we need to heal it and move on. No idea how we do that right now. It’s far too late and I’m far too unqualified to work that one out. What I do know is that expecting the 52% or the 48% to just “shut up” and/or “accept it” isn’t quite going to cut it.
What a bloody mess.
scottydoesntknow said:
WonkeyDonkey said:
This can't be great news for JLR, especially on day they've already announced job losses.
Surely it will be very difficult for them to get their figures down that low unless the i-Pace starts selling in ridiculous numbers.
I don’t get this. Why don’t JLR put the i-Pace gubbins in Land Rovers. They’d sell like hot cakes.Surely it will be very difficult for them to get their figures down that low unless the i-Pace starts selling in ridiculous numbers.
Land rovers are not designed as EVs, so will have totally different layout so you need to find places to put the batteries/inverter/charger etc, wont be easy to do 90kwh of battery in it and keep the useful storage space and weight, and then you end up with a compromised vehicle that has terrible efficiency and will have even poorer range than the iPace, for a lot more money than the diesel version.
Yeah the current RR/RRS architecture is fairly old now, never really designed with pure EV use in mine. The new MLA architecture being used for the next generation cars is designed around being more versatile in which powertrain it utilises.
Can't come soon enough for them really as chinese sales have fallen off a cliff again.
Can't come soon enough for them really as chinese sales have fallen off a cliff again.
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