Re : TVR appoints new CEO; laments factory issues
Discussion
Julian Thompson said:
I recall reading that they were fitting out the factory a while back.
Does anyone know where they are actually up to? Are we talking about an empty freezing cold warehouse with a dripping roof still? Or is it bristling with activity, fitted out with heating, power, jigs, machines and with staff arriving each day? (But they now discover the roof needs attention)
Still a big empty deralict factory with a leaky roof, nothing has been touched in or on it since they chose that site 3 years ago.Does anyone know where they are actually up to? Are we talking about an empty freezing cold warehouse with a dripping roof still? Or is it bristling with activity, fitted out with heating, power, jigs, machines and with staff arriving each day? (But they now discover the roof needs attention)
ChocolateFrog - It's 2020, not 1990. It's a Porsche rival, and priced as such. It has to work like a Porsche. Few will accept flaky. That's why the customers dried up under Wheeler and why it went bust under Smolenski. As for £60,000. Unlikely. An Audi TT RS is £55K without any options.
lukeharding said:
julian64 said:
lukeharding said:
julian64 said:
Peter H 111 said:
Then you should have taken a better photo, because that looks terrible. Either you have terrible taste in cars and that is as bad as it looks, or you are terrible at photos and it some way it looks better in real life
Rude is to insult someone. Suggesting someone has terrible taste in car might be considered an insult so appologies. But it seems a very very low bar to set especially when you have a post count which suggests you have been posting for a while. Are you sure youre not reading more into it than is there?
Personally I don't mind the way it looks, I neither love it nor hate it. But then I don't think that TVR has ever been the paradigm of aesthetic beauty that others seem to (though I'm a big fan of the Sagaris). However I don't feel the need to tell someone that their taste is rubbish because they don't agree with my opinion on something, as I understand that their taste is different to my own, not lesser or greater. PH can be a great place, but often spoiled by everyone putting each other down.
Is it an insult to say someone is getting professionally offended? As I head rapidly toward my sixties I start to feel I don't have a handle on these things anymore.
Maybe I should leave by saying that peter wheeler seemed to know what he was doing when he let his dog design cars. That dog probably had better taste than you or I.
Damn There I go with the insults again.
njw1 said:
The site at the moment is in a hell of a state, the only work that's been done is to try and secure it (which hasn't worked), it's pretty much derelict.
Its location (high valleys ridge bordering the Brecon Beacons), weather and local issues weren't conducive to an easy life. The WAG aren't the owners of the property, the owners (Dewan Foundation) specialise in property portfolios built/sub-let to government entities mostly and I'd wager that this Rassau property will languish on its books for years to come. They're relying on the WAG to find uses, hence the multiple suitors over the last 15 years. Awarding a refurb contract to Capita seems like a hiding to nothing, but I'd agree there hasn't seemed much evidence of movement yet …
Bear in mind that in a much shorter time period, AM has bought, refurb'ed, built new buildings/offices on and kitted out a production facility in St. Athan (about 40m south) ...
LucyP said:
Cookie - My point about Ford was just to illustrate that was less bizarre than asking a bus manufacturer. Neither would be interested.
So what are your suggestions (other than Ford, who even had the GT made by Multimatic) for getting:a. Prototype TVR's through testing / compliance and
b. Putting the first batch production cars in front of customers?
We are, I think, agreed, the factory in Wales is not essential to get on the first rung of the ladder with a viable product, price aside. I've tried to suggest a few different ways of doing it, even if deep down I feel they will cost lots of money to achieve, possibly more money than they have or can raise. Are you saying the whole project is doomed, that it needs more investment or just that they've hit a bit of a slow spot and are a bit behind?
For reference I'd love them to succeed, but I can't see they have the funds or plans in place to get it to fruition and being this far into the proposed production target, with little to show.
Venisonpie said:
A total farce.
I imagine most PH'rs would welcome return of TVR however credibility is heading South fast.
First post and on the money. A new roof ? Really? They actually used that as an excuse? I imagine most PH'rs would welcome return of TVR however credibility is heading South fast.
Can’t wait for Lotus to tell us the reason their’s no new esprit because their bathrooms need retiling or their drains are blocked.
ChocolateFrog said:
A modern TVR needs to
Look great
Be bloody fast (manual accepted)
Make a great sound
...
Do that for £60k ish
The Sagaris was £50k + options, expecting a new TVR produced in a new factory almost 20 years later to be a similar price just isn't going to happen.Look great
Be bloody fast (manual accepted)
Make a great sound
...
Do that for £60k ish
In the same time frame (early 2000s to now) a new 911 with options has went from about 60k to 100-110k.
SpeckledJim said:
It's a bit odd that such a huge and fundamental problem is only coming to light now.
People must have been working on plans for that building for several years now, haven't they?
Provincial third world government in ‘sitting on arse and not knowing what they are doing’ shocker. People must have been working on plans for that building for several years now, haven't they?
I doubt anyone from the Welsh gathering of incompetent slackers have done anything at all with the building until recently. They will have all been sitting there assuming someone else was going to deliver on their commitment. They’ve got hundreds of these deals on the go as they try and entice employment using grants and they are all a mess because they are provincial, village punters who genuinely haven’t a clue. And anyone who does soon bails on medical grounds.
It was probably the immigrant cleaning lady who made the observation that the roof was f
ked. LucyP said:
Not quite Max_Torque.
It's not Bristol Ave. TVR! The powertrain is being bought in from Ford via Cosworth, so that will be ready assembled. The same with the HVAC. The days of building their own engine and; fibreglass flaps etc for HVAC are over, sensibly. They surely will buy in the seats, all trimmed and ready to bolt in. And hopefully they will keep as many Mustang parts/wiring loom as they can, knowing that they all work together, and leave the Blackpool idea of a BL Mini wiper motor, Vauxhall Cavalier steering column/stalks and Ford Fiesta lights in past.
It's also not worth counting the jubilee clips for a small manufacturer. You're right in that it isn't sensible to wait for Jeff to come back with a pack from Halfords, but it isn't cost effective to book in and out every clip. I doubt that they could even afford the systems to do that. There won't be any production line as such. It will still have to be very Blackpool or Malvern (Morgan) in that respect, pushing the chassis on it's wheels down the "line", and it will have to rely on some old school methods, such as Jeff looking in the box and thinking, we're low on clips, better order some more!
welcome to 1995 then. Poorly build, un-reliable cars that break down, fail and leave their owners stranded after said owner has spent a huge amount of money on the car!It's not Bristol Ave. TVR! The powertrain is being bought in from Ford via Cosworth, so that will be ready assembled. The same with the HVAC. The days of building their own engine and; fibreglass flaps etc for HVAC are over, sensibly. They surely will buy in the seats, all trimmed and ready to bolt in. And hopefully they will keep as many Mustang parts/wiring loom as they can, knowing that they all work together, and leave the Blackpool idea of a BL Mini wiper motor, Vauxhall Cavalier steering column/stalks and Ford Fiesta lights in past.
It's also not worth counting the jubilee clips for a small manufacturer. You're right in that it isn't sensible to wait for Jeff to come back with a pack from Halfords, but it isn't cost effective to book in and out every clip. I doubt that they could even afford the systems to do that. There won't be any production line as such. It will still have to be very Blackpool or Malvern (Morgan) in that respect, pushing the chassis on it's wheels down the "line", and it will have to rely on some old school methods, such as Jeff looking in the box and thinking, we're low on clips, better order some more!
The reason a modern OE build car is reliable is because EVERY LAST PART is traceable and controlled, bothin terms of sourcing and in terms of assembly / build. If FORD run out of jubilee clips from their supplier, the line stops. They don't just "bodge something in" because that 12 pence component can, and does, cause faulures.
If TVR want to build a car that has a future, they need to think in at least current terms!
DonkeyApple said:
DaveTheRave87 said:
The car will be obsolete long before it's built.
A shame, I was hoping they'd do well.
The entire purpose of the car is that it is 100% obsolete. That’s it’s raison d’etre. A shame, I was hoping they'd do well.
Sag/Cerb/Tuscan: same to much less, immediately available, plenty of specialists. Equally (more?) obsolete...
Personally I know where I'd send my money given the ongoing slippage.
Next set of accounts need to be filed before end of March. It'll be interesting to see how they've changed vs 2018.
silvermog said:
njw1 said:
The site at the moment is in a hell of a state, the only work that's been done is to try and secure it (which hasn't worked), it's pretty much derelict.
Its location (high valleys ridge bordering the Brecon Beacons), weather and local issues weren't conducive to an easy life. The WAG aren't the owners of the property, the owners (Dewan Foundation) specialise in property portfolios built/sub-let to government entities mostly and I'd wager that this Rassau property will languish on its books for years to come. They're relying on the WAG to find uses, hence the multiple suitors over the last 15 years. Awarding a refurb contract to Capita seems like a hiding to nothing, but I'd agree there hasn't seemed much evidence of movement yet …
Bear in mind that in a much shorter time period, AM has bought, refurb'ed, built new buildings/offices on and kitted out a production facility in St. Athan (about 40m south) ...
In the mean time, in China a hospital to house 1000 beds to treat virus-infected patients will be built from scratch in 10 days.
I shall repost this .....
I know it's in a different country with a different culture and with far more financial backing but this is what can be achieved.
The Shanghai regional government approved the agreement to build the production facility in July 2018, and a long-term lease was signed for about 86 hectares (210 acres) of land in October 2018. Construction began in December 2018 with the installation of secure fencing and site offices. The General Assembly Building was nearly complete by August 2019, and manufacturing line equipment was being installed for both batteries and automobiles. News reports in August noted production could start as early as November 2019, and CNBC reports that Tesla is expected to manufacture more than 6000 vehicles at Gigafactory 3 by year-end 2019. The plant had begun initial production of Tesla Model 3 cars by October 2019. While trial production on the general assembly line continues, additional production facilities for motors, seats, and powertrain assemblies are under construction in late 2019 with expected completion by March 2020.
The first China-built Tesla cars were delivered in December 2019, just twelve months after beginning site grading on the gigafactory in December 2018.
I know it's in a different country with a different culture and with far more financial backing but this is what can be achieved.
The Shanghai regional government approved the agreement to build the production facility in July 2018, and a long-term lease was signed for about 86 hectares (210 acres) of land in October 2018. Construction began in December 2018 with the installation of secure fencing and site offices. The General Assembly Building was nearly complete by August 2019, and manufacturing line equipment was being installed for both batteries and automobiles. News reports in August noted production could start as early as November 2019, and CNBC reports that Tesla is expected to manufacture more than 6000 vehicles at Gigafactory 3 by year-end 2019. The plant had begun initial production of Tesla Model 3 cars by October 2019. While trial production on the general assembly line continues, additional production facilities for motors, seats, and powertrain assemblies are under construction in late 2019 with expected completion by March 2020.
The first China-built Tesla cars were delivered in December 2019, just twelve months after beginning site grading on the gigafactory in December 2018.
leef44 said:
This reminds me of that sketch in the Life of Brian: "this calls for immediate action!"
In the mean time, in China a hospital to house 1000 beds to treat virus-infected patients will be built from scratch in 10 days.
In the mean time, in China a hospital to house 1000 beds to treat virus-infected patients will be built from scratch in 10 days.
spot on; possibly the best comment of the thread; have a virtual pint on me
Life of Brian - Scene 21, The Committee Meeting
https://youtu.be/55fqjw2J1vI
unsprung said:
leef44 said:
This reminds me of that sketch in the Life of Brian: "this calls for immediate action!"
In the mean time, in China a hospital to house 1000 beds to treat virus-infected patients will be built from scratch in 10 days.
In the mean time, in China a hospital to house 1000 beds to treat virus-infected patients will be built from scratch in 10 days.
spot on; possibly the best comment of the thread; have a virtual pint on me
Life of Brian - Scene 21, The Committee Meeting
https://youtu.be/55fqjw2J1vI
Thank you, I was having trouble trying to get a link
Max_Torque said:
welcome to 1995 then. Poorly build, un-reliable cars that break down, fail and leave their owners stranded after said owner has spent a huge amount of money on the car!
The reason a modern OE build car is reliable is because EVERY LAST PART is traceable and controlled, bothin terms of sourcing and in terms of assembly / build. If FORD run out of jubilee clips from their supplier, the line stops. They don't just "bodge something in" because that 12 pence component can, and does, cause faulures.
If TVR want to build a car that has a future, they need to think in at least current terms!
Which they are. They have three issues at present which are a lack of funding for dirty V8 projects, all the automotive investment capital is currently pointing to EVs not V8s. They’ve taken money from the EU via a regional backwater who despite trying their best are not cutting edge. And the Brexit mess. The reason a modern OE build car is reliable is because EVERY LAST PART is traceable and controlled, bothin terms of sourcing and in terms of assembly / build. If FORD run out of jubilee clips from their supplier, the line stops. They don't just "bodge something in" because that 12 pence component can, and does, cause faulures.
If TVR want to build a car that has a future, they need to think in at least current terms!
The product is good and they’ve employed the right people who know how to bring it to market.
They face very big hurdles but your posts are endlessly disingenuous and a little tooth sucking.
Olivera said:
ChocolateFrog said:
A modern TVR needs to
Look great
Be bloody fast (manual accepted)
Make a great sound
...
Do that for £60k ish
The Sagaris was £50k + options, expecting a new TVR produced in a new factory almost 20 years later to be a similar price just isn't going to happen.Look great
Be bloody fast (manual accepted)
Make a great sound
...
Do that for £60k ish
In the same time frame (early 2000s to now) a new 911 with options has went from about 60k to 100-110k.
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