RE: Suzuki forced to cut UK Jimny allocation
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Shakermaker said:
DonkeyApple said:
RicksAlfas said:
Plenty on the road around here. Often driven by hairy legged, blue rinse, jolly hockey stick types. Just your type DA! 
Lesbians? 
jamoor said:
But don't our elected MEPs decide on European laws? We can vote the MEPs out can't we?
I always thought that the EU was a democratic organisation that was run by its members and all decisions needed the agreement of its members.
Then you thought wrong. I always thought that the EU was a democratic organisation that was run by its members and all decisions needed the agreement of its members.
MEPs powers are much like the House of Lords are here. The democratic structure is reversed.
Bagzie88 said:
Exclee said:
I was lucky enough to get one in February last year, I live in mid wales on one of the top 10 worst roads in Britain hence buying it, the issue with the car is people like the look but don’t like the way it drives, it is an off roader not a soft roader, it has slow steering because it has a recirculating ball screw rather than rack an pinion, is is so the steering wheel doesn’t get ripped out of your hands in ruts off road, it’s a really simple engine as it needs to be simple to work on and turbos aren’t ideal in off road situations on a small petrol engine, there is talk of a commercial version which gets around the rules of emissions and eventually a hybrid drive train but people in Malaysia, India, Australia Russia aren’t going to want that as it is more to go wrong, Jimny wasn’t ever a massive seller until now people like the look of it, underneath it’s still not a great road car, saying that mines just clocked 17.5k miles in 11 months, it’s not the fastest but I don’t have people waiting behind me on the A and B roads, motorways are a bit different as it only has a 5 speed box it revs it’s arse off, 75mph is 3750rpm but it’s a Suzuki engine it’ll do it and more all day and still I get an average of 39 mpg.
They can sell these all day outside of the EU because there isn’t anything like it, if they hybrid it with some clever engine they will probably limit sales in other countries
You basically nailed it , I'm willing to bet the 1.5 in this is bulletproof due to its sheer simplicity , it's a proper offroader and no one complains about the older defender having terrible road manners because it's not a road car.They can sell these all day outside of the EU because there isn’t anything like it, if they hybrid it with some clever engine they will probably limit sales in other countries
This is basically the same the only real difference being it's a Suzuki so it won't break down on you all the time.
DonkeyApple said:
The UK has backed something like 95% of EU policies.
I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51366123I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
Rolling it all back?
AmitG said:
Toltec said:
CoolHands said:
But they will have to sell s
t-loads to get the AVERAGE below 95. Never going to happen
Easy, if you want a higher output car you have to buy a zero emissions car too. The manufacturers just have to come up with something that qualifies as a car even if it only has a ten mile battery range. Once purchased you immediately scrap it and it is returned to the factory for 100% recycling.t-loads to get the AVERAGE below 95. Never going to happenWant to buy a CO2 heavy car? No problem, as long as you also buy this BEV for 1 pound. And the manufacturer agrees to buy it back at any time, even the day after you bought it.
The factory wouldn't even need to recycle the BEV. They could just give it a new VIN and ship it out to the next customer
Just thinking out loud - putting aside the merits of the idea, is there any legal reason why this would not work?
Obviously in practice there could be negative publicity since it's a blatant CO2 dodge.
DonkeyApple said:
The UK has backed something like 95% of EU policies.
I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
Less than a few days later and bang!, the banning of all ICE is moved from 2040 to 2035 and now includes hybrids. I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
There won’t be a rolling back. Westminster has just had the only thing that has been stopping them from charging forward removed.
This announcement may well be a deliberate opening salvo in the negotiations in regards to how many cars we import from within the EU but mainly it is the start of Westminster showing the EU that it is better and more advanced and bolder than they are.
DonkeyApple said:
DonkeyApple said:
The UK has backed something like 95% of EU policies.
I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
Less than a few days later and bang!, the banning of all ICE is moved from 2040 to 2035 and now includes hybrids. I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
There won’t be a rolling back. Westminster has just had the only thing that has been stopping them from charging forward removed.
This announcement may well be a deliberate opening salvo in the negotiations in regards to how many cars we import from within the EU but mainly it is the start of Westminster showing the EU that it is better and more advanced and bolder than they are.
We're going to be first, so come build them here.
anonymous said:
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What it highlights is how we repeatedly interpret guidelines as aggressively as possible. Our government has been in the EU pushing for more aggressive guidelines than the average of the collective and returning home and telling the electorate that the new rules have been imposed by the EU. Think logically about how the consensus would have been achieved in this particular example, it would have been the poorer Southern states pushing a more lax date and a selection of the Nortnern members pushing a tighter policy.
People seem to think that Westminster has been fighting against these EU policies but we’ve been spearheading and championing most of them and now we are out there are no Southern state votes to temper our ambitions.
Think back to the smoking ban. Most member states implemented work arounds. We implemented an outright ban of our choosing but told the electorate it was because of the EU.
We’ve not been freed to go backwards, we’ve been freed to scream forward. And a lot of people are going to be surprised.
I can see personal vehicles becoming a lot more expensive to buy in the coming years.
Someone somewhere will calculate the harm the vehicle is likely to do in it’s lifetime and that harm will have to be offset by the manufacturer by means of carbon capture, etc and by the buyer in tax contributions to offsetting.
Someone somewhere will calculate the harm the vehicle is likely to do in it’s lifetime and that harm will have to be offset by the manufacturer by means of carbon capture, etc and by the buyer in tax contributions to offsetting.
With absolutely no consideration of the benefits cars and personal mobility in general have brought to humanity and both local and global economies, nary a thought for the rural communities that will be devastated and no longer have the railways they relied upon prior to the arrival of cars... the whole thing is Communist ideology wrapped around a capitalist core. Well, Greta can pry the keys to my V8s and V12 out of my cold dead hands...
anonymous said:
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That’s my understanding also. The collective will have determined a course of action with a terminal point but the individual member states are free to interpret and implement the overall intention within these parameters so as to best suit their local needs and requirements. My point being that the UK has a long track record of our elected local politicians opting to implement EU directives at the more extreme end of the spectrum.
I just don’t comprehend the expectation of some that this long term trend would somehow not just be being halted by leaving the EU bit reversed.
I think the proposal to move the electrifying of new cars from 2040 to 2035 and to exclude hybrids is a representation of this and possibly the start of many people beginning to actually realise what side of the overall trend of change our elected governments of the last 30 years have been on.
I suspect that in a few years time the Remainers will be the happy ones and the Leavers even more angry than before.
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