RE: Suzuki forced to cut UK Jimny allocation
Discussion
df76 said:
The first thread of many where it becomes apparent that the British electorate (or many of them) have been “played”.
I don’t think they’ve been played, I just don’t think they listened to or looked at the things they didn’t want to see or hear. The idea of one of the most robust forward moving cultures and economies on the planet going into full reverse and bringing back globally uncompetitive manufacturing etc was always crazy. Freedom from the restrictions of the EU was always about being able to move forward and change at an even more rapid pace than the collective would permit.
I don’t think the remainers for the most part fully appreciated this any more than the Leavers as they fought to have everything remain the same.
Maybe it’ll heal the rift between the two groups as they come to realise that they’ve both fisted themselves into a turbo charged environment where those who make things happen are the ones who benefit and those who don’t don’t then get anything extra. ? Who knows but I very much doubt either side are going to be getting what they wished for or feared and that it will slowly dawn on both that there was a third group of people involved involved in all of this that spanned both sides of the argument.
DonkeyApple said:
df76 said:
The first thread of many where it becomes apparent that the British electorate (or many of them) have been “played”.
I don’t think they’ve been played, I just don’t think they listened to or looked at the things they didn’t want to see or hear. The idea of one of the most robust forward moving cultures and economies on the planet going into full reverse and bringing back globally uncompetitive manufacturing etc was always crazy. Freedom from the restrictions of the EU was always about being able to move forward and change at an even more rapid pace than the collective would permit.
I don’t think the remainers for the most part fully appreciated this any more than the Leavers as they fought to have everything remain the same.
Maybe it’ll heal the rift between the two groups as they come to realise that they’ve both fisted themselves into a turbo charged environment where those who make things happen are the ones who benefit and those who don’t don’t then get anything extra. ? Who knows but I very much doubt either side are going to be getting what they wished for or feared and that it will slowly dawn on both that there was a third group of people involved involved in all of this that spanned both sides of the argument.
wisbech said:
Yep, on both the right and the left, there is/ was a wish to leave EU regulations ‘holding us back’.
Note Cummings is a big fan of ‘BAHG’ to spur innovation, I would expect more to come. Genome map all the U.K. population?
Bedford Aeronautical Heritage Group? Are we going back to biplanes? Note Cummings is a big fan of ‘BAHG’ to spur innovation, I would expect more to come. Genome map all the U.K. population?
. The upheaval of moving all those shabby chic antique dealers out of the old hangers will be immense. Plus they were essential destinations for placating the armynof the enraged male pensioner and keeping him and his hypermiling annuity spec diesel BMW off the roads. !!Wat is BAHG?
321boost said:
Do you believe anything coming out of BJs mouth? The guy who tried to bury climate reports? Lol we will see.
You wouldn’t and shouldn’t believe anything any of those chappies says. It’s a pointless exercise categorising a politician on an honesty basis as their precise purpose and function is to be a liar. As we head into the whole period of negotiating a raft of new trade deals we absolutely want to have the most dishonest, ruthless and competent liar heading up the team. My primary concern is that I don’t think Boris is as good a liar as is needed. 
k the EU df76 said:
DonkeyApple said:
df76 said:
The first thread of many where it becomes apparent that the British electorate (or many of them) have been “played”.
I don’t think they’ve been played, I just don’t think they listened to or looked at the things they didn’t want to see or hear. The idea of one of the most robust forward moving cultures and economies on the planet going into full reverse and bringing back globally uncompetitive manufacturing etc was always crazy. Freedom from the restrictions of the EU was always about being able to move forward and change at an even more rapid pace than the collective would permit.
I don’t think the remainers for the most part fully appreciated this any more than the Leavers as they fought to have everything remain the same.
Maybe it’ll heal the rift between the two groups as they come to realise that they’ve both fisted themselves into a turbo charged environment where those who make things happen are the ones who benefit and those who don’t don’t then get anything extra. ? Who knows but I very much doubt either side are going to be getting what they wished for or feared and that it will slowly dawn on both that there was a third group of people involved involved in all of this that spanned both sides of the argument.
However, I fear that competence may not be keeping up with ambition in this particular instance.
SuperPav said:
df76 said:
DonkeyApple said:
df76 said:
The first thread of many where it becomes apparent that the British electorate (or many of them) have been “played”.
I don’t think they’ve been played, I just don’t think they listened to or looked at the things they didn’t want to see or hear. The idea of one of the most robust forward moving cultures and economies on the planet going into full reverse and bringing back globally uncompetitive manufacturing etc was always crazy. Freedom from the restrictions of the EU was always about being able to move forward and change at an even more rapid pace than the collective would permit.
I don’t think the remainers for the most part fully appreciated this any more than the Leavers as they fought to have everything remain the same.
Maybe it’ll heal the rift between the two groups as they come to realise that they’ve both fisted themselves into a turbo charged environment where those who make things happen are the ones who benefit and those who don’t don’t then get anything extra. ? Who knows but I very much doubt either side are going to be getting what they wished for or feared and that it will slowly dawn on both that there was a third group of people involved involved in all of this that spanned both sides of the argument.
However, I fear that competence may not be keeping up with ambition in this particular instance.
RSTurboPaul said:
Such as everyone having to buy a horse to commute 10 miles to the shop in the next village to buy a couple of swedes because there is not enough electricity production capacity to heat our homes (which have all had directly emitting heat sources removed and replaced with electric heating powered by the grid) and fuel our BEVs, no-one has a garden large enough to grow enough food for the family (because of high density development), and all imports of food have been banned 'because carbon emissions'? lol
You worried that 30 years is too short to make the necessary changes?RSTurboPaul said:
Such as everyone having to buy a horse to commute.
Horses rock. I could do that quite happily. Also back in the mid noughties I commuted 16miles to work by bike using a disused railway line. Once used to it and with the right gear I was able to do it every day, all through the year, all weathers and really enjoyed it.
On top of that I've never been fitter.
DonkeyApple said:
DonkeyApple said:
The UK has backed something like 95% of EU policies.
I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
Less than a few days later and bang!, the banning of all ICE is moved from 2040 to 2035 and now includes hybrids. I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
There won’t be a rolling back. Westminster has just had the only thing that has been stopping them from charging forward removed.
This announcement may well be a deliberate opening salvo in the negotiations in regards to how many cars we import from within the EU but mainly it is the start of Westminster showing the EU that it is better and more advanced and bolder than they are.
Bye bye pesky EU foreign types, hello South Americans, Africans and Asians.
DonkeyApple said:
And another one: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51430811
Bye bye pesky EU foreign types, hello South Americans, Africans and Asians.
This isn't the EU thread - but that seems entirely reasonable. Bye bye pesky EU foreign types, hello South Americans, Africans and Asians.
Currently, no criteria able to be applied to EU migrants - and so in order to attempt to manage net migration overall to a level whereby infrastructure growth can keep up, we apply higher levels against RoW migrants.
Change the ability to manage EU migration to the point where they need to demonstrate earnings at or around median income levels and above - and be able to be looser with RoW migration.
Years ago I was posting saying this was something I hoped for as a result of a Leave vote.
anonymous said:
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OK, if we're going to be pedantic - no earnings criteria can be applied to EU migrants, without implementing measures across the whole UK population that the electorate have rejected...The only earnings criteria that can be applied to EU migrant workers is if they wish to claim benefits.
DonkeyApple said:
DonkeyApple said:
The UK has backed something like 95% of EU policies.
I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
Less than a few days later and bang!, the banning of all ICE is moved from 2040 to 2035 and now includes hybrids. I would say that there is an argument that the EU has been a tempering force in containing the UK government’s ambitions and that this will be revealed over the coming years as we enact more than the EU once they no longer have the ability to block or restrain much of Westminster’s madness.
People who expect a rolling back or slowing of legislative change might well be in for a bit of a shock!
There won’t be a rolling back. Westminster has just had the only thing that has been stopping them from charging forward removed.
This announcement may well be a deliberate opening salvo in the negotiations in regards to how many cars we import from within the EU but mainly it is the start of Westminster showing the EU that it is better and more advanced and bolder than they are.
Edited by powerstroke on Monday 10th February 16:52
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