RE: BMW M340d leaks on configurator

[anonymous-user]

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

scottydoesntknow said:

Helicopter123 said:

Diesel a bit yesterday now though.

Model 3 makes this look like a dinosaur.

This is interesting as it’s a choice I had to recently make.

BMW 330E or Tesla model 3.

The BMW was better in every way with the exception of 0-60 times and tech.
Notably the interior materials and build quality of the BMW were a league above the Tesla’s.
I’ve ordered the BMW.
That said the 3 is hugely impressive considering it’s Tesla’s first try in the segment.

You forgot running costs and convenience of charging at home too. Oh and price

So really the bmw only won on interior build quality and fit and finish.

Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 28th January 07:38

Assuming you can charge at home, you seem to forget the cost of charging at home too.

The model 3 looks like a squashed bug, the fit and finish is like something from BL in the 70's.

Not hard to see why the 3 series won.

What Tesla have done for battery tech' is fantastic though.

[bodhi]

jamoor said:

bodhi said:

I'm pretty sure you can charge a 330e at home as well. Depending on how far you drive it running costs can be minimal, but then if you want to go a bit further you can do that without dicking around at a Motorway Service station.

You don't get the paid up cult membership and lifetime devotion to a slightly unbalanced South African, but for some of us that's another benefit

So really it was just fit and finish no other logical reason

I’d say the tech is a big one.

I'd say that depends on what you're looking for from the tech. I've had a poke around my bro-in-law's Model 3, and I'd say the tech was good if you like that sort of thing. I'd probably rather have a Heads Up Display and Android Auto (in June) than the ability to watch Netflix and a fart app, but YMMV.

[Bladedancer]

Oppo said:

vtecbwahhh said:

Diesel, No Thank You.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Even when diesels were supposedly the bees knees I didn't want one, the diesel-gate makes sure I will never have another.

How short is human memory. Dieselgate you remember, but huge issues with petrol 35i when they first came out seem to be long forgotten.

[bodhi]

Bladedancer said:

Oppo said:

vtecbwahhh said:

Diesel, No Thank You.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Even when diesels were supposedly the bees knees I didn't want one, the diesel-gate makes sure I will never have another.

How short is human memory. Dieselgate you remember, but huge issues with petrol 35i when they first came out seem to be long forgotten.

Slight difference between some reliability issues picked up by BMW under warranty, and gaming an emissions test to make sure a car that exceeded the limits made it through.

[Matt Bird]

Hi all,

Just to add that the line from BMW is that the M340ds have "not yet been officially announced", so there's nothing more to add for now. We'll keep you updated when there's more!

Cheers,


Matt

[Driver101]

Lord.Vader said:

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

scottydoesntknow said:

Helicopter123 said:

Diesel a bit yesterday now though.

Model 3 makes this look like a dinosaur.

This is interesting as it’s a choice I had to recently make.

BMW 330E or Tesla model 3.

The BMW was better in every way with the exception of 0-60 times and tech.
Notably the interior materials and build quality of the BMW were a league above the Tesla’s.
I’ve ordered the BMW.
That said the 3 is hugely impressive considering it’s Tesla’s first try in the segment.

You forgot running costs and convenience of charging at home too. Oh and price

So really the bmw only won on interior build quality and fit and finish.

Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 28th January 07:38

Assuming you can charge at home, you seem to forget the cost of charging at home too.

The model 3 looks like a squashed bug, the fit and finish is like something from BL in the 70's.

Not hard to see why the 3 series won.

What Tesla have done for battery tech' is fantastic though.

The quality of the Model 3 is shocking. It's also one of the ugliest cars on the road.

[jamoor]

Lord.Vader said:

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

scottydoesntknow said:

Helicopter123 said:

Diesel a bit yesterday now though.

Model 3 makes this look like a dinosaur.

This is interesting as it’s a choice I had to recently make.

BMW 330E or Tesla model 3.

The BMW was better in every way with the exception of 0-60 times and tech.
Notably the interior materials and build quality of the BMW were a league above the Tesla’s.
I’ve ordered the BMW.
That said the 3 is hugely impressive considering it’s Tesla’s first try in the segment.

You forgot running costs and convenience of charging at home too. Oh and price

So really the bmw only won on interior build quality and fit and finish.

Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 28th January 07:38

Assuming you can charge at home, you seem to forget the cost of charging at home too.

The model 3 looks like a squashed bug, the fit and finish is like something from BL in the 70's.

Not hard to see why the 3 series won.

What Tesla have done for battery tech' is fantastic though.

How much is charging at home vs filling a car up with petrol?

[Nerfbat]

I'm surprised to see the M340i getting a slating from Evo - I've got one, and I love it, tremendous performance, lovely, secure handling and comfortable when you want to bimble. I can only assume it's not 'focussed enough' for journos who spend all their time on opposite lock on deserted roads, and not in the real world. I guess they'll be happier when the new M3 comes out, but for me the M-lite is a perfect compromise.

[robemcdonald]

Lord.Vader said:

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

scottydoesntknow said:

Helicopter123 said:

Diesel a bit yesterday now though.

Model 3 makes this look like a dinosaur.

This is interesting as it’s a choice I had to recently make.

BMW 330E or Tesla model 3.

The BMW was better in every way with the exception of 0-60 times and tech.
Notably the interior materials and build quality of the BMW were a league above the Tesla’s.
I’ve ordered the BMW.
That said the 3 is hugely impressive considering it’s Tesla’s first try in the segment.

You forgot running costs and convenience of charging at home too. Oh and price

So really the bmw only won on interior build quality and fit and finish.

Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 28th January 07:38

Assuming you can charge at home, you seem to forget the cost of charging at home too.

The model 3 looks like a squashed bug, the fit and finish is like something from BL in the 70's.

Not hard to see why the 3 series won.

What Tesla have done for battery tech' is fantastic though.

It’s also a much more enjoyable car to drive (hilarious acceleration aside)

BMW 330e in msport trim with the tech and parking pack is £5k cheaper than a standard range 3 in white.

It’s only .6 second slower to sixty (not something I’ll use too often)

As for running costs. EV mileage rate is 4p / mile. The BMW is 11p (my companies rates) so running costs are roughly the same for me.

The charging at home was a massive argument that almost won it for the Tesla, but uncertainty regarding real world range and infrastructure (see Harry’s garage episode on the ipace) were the nails in the coffin.

It was such a marginal decision though and the way evs are going will probably make it the natural choice next time.

[jamoor]

robemcdonald said:

Lord.Vader said:

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

scottydoesntknow said:

Helicopter123 said:

Diesel a bit yesterday now though.

Model 3 makes this look like a dinosaur.

This is interesting as it’s a choice I had to recently make.

BMW 330E or Tesla model 3.

The BMW was better in every way with the exception of 0-60 times and tech.
Notably the interior materials and build quality of the BMW were a league above the Tesla’s.
I’ve ordered the BMW.
That said the 3 is hugely impressive considering it’s Tesla’s first try in the segment.

You forgot running costs and convenience of charging at home too. Oh and price

So really the bmw only won on interior build quality and fit and finish.

Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 28th January 07:38

Assuming you can charge at home, you seem to forget the cost of charging at home too.

The model 3 looks like a squashed bug, the fit and finish is like something from BL in the 70's.

Not hard to see why the 3 series won.

What Tesla have done for battery tech' is fantastic though.

It’s also a much more enjoyable car to drive (hilarious acceleration aside)

BMW 330e in msport trim with the tech and parking pack is £5k cheaper than a standard range 3 in white.

It’s only .6 second slower to sixty (not something I’ll use too often)

As for running costs. EV mileage rate is 4p / mile. The BMW is 11p (my companies rates) so running costs are roughly the same for me.

The charging at home was a massive argument that almost won it for the Tesla, but uncertainty regarding real world range and infrastructure (see Harry’s garage episode on the ipace) were the nails in the coffin.

It was such a marginal decision though and the way evs are going will probably make it the natural choice next time.

From what I am seeing the BMW is more expensive than the Model 3?
Also does the tech pack include something similar to autopilot?

I'm not sure what the running costs mean, do you mean mileage you are claiming from your company? What about private miles.

[robemcdonald]

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

Lord.Vader said:

jamoor said:

robemcdonald said:

scottydoesntknow said:

Helicopter123 said:

Diesel a bit yesterday now though.

Model 3 makes this look like a dinosaur.

This is interesting as it’s a choice I had to recently make.

BMW 330E or Tesla model 3.

The BMW was better in every way with the exception of 0-60 times and tech.
Notably the interior materials and build quality of the BMW were a league above the Tesla’s.
I’ve ordered the BMW.
That said the 3 is hugely impressive considering it’s Tesla’s first try in the segment.

You forgot running costs and convenience of charging at home too. Oh and price

So really the bmw only won on interior build quality and fit and finish.

Edited by jamoor on Tuesday 28th January 07:38

Assuming you can charge at home, you seem to forget the cost of charging at home too.

The model 3 looks like a squashed bug, the fit and finish is like something from BL in the 70's.

Not hard to see why the 3 series won.

What Tesla have done for battery tech' is fantastic though.

It’s also a much more enjoyable car to drive (hilarious acceleration aside)

BMW 330e in msport trim with the tech and parking pack is £5k cheaper than a standard range 3 in white.

It’s only .6 second slower to sixty (not something I’ll use too often)

As for running costs. EV mileage rate is 4p / mile. The BMW is 11p (my companies rates) so running costs are roughly the same for me.

The charging at home was a massive argument that almost won it for the Tesla, but uncertainty regarding real world range and infrastructure (see Harry’s garage episode on the ipace) were the nails in the coffin.

It was such a marginal decision though and the way evs are going will probably make it the natural choice next time.

From what I am seeing the BMW is more expensive than the Model 3?
Also does the tech pack include something similar to autopilot?

I'm not sure what the running costs mean, do you mean mileage you are claiming from your company? What about private miles.

I'm not going to support too much thread drift, but:

BMW discount heavily.

Tesla do not.

You can get something similar to autopilot, but i didn't like or want it. Radar cruise control is good enough for me.

yes they are my company rates (as mentioned in my posts) as for private mileage. I either do very short or very long journeys; running the kids around to various weekend stuff and similar, so will be achievable on the 35 mile EV range easily. I also do long journeys for weekends away and holidays. The BMW has a benefit here as the refuelling can be done anywhere and very quickly.

Like i said it was a close run thing, but the BMW 3 series being a significantly nicer car to drive helped massively in the choice and bringing this somewhat back to topic.

[ajap1979]

Got to love the Tesla bores

[wolfie28]

Possible replacement for my 435d daily in a couple of years. Well that's if they make it.

[Grantstown]

I've had a 435d for a few years and although the engine is fabulous, the car has many flaws. The steering feel is atrocious and lacks accuracy. Presumably the x-drive is part of this problem, when comparing it to RWD BMWs, but even so it's as bad as an Audi. It has the M performance brakes, but they are totally inadequate for the available power of the car. The lazy torque and wallowy nature of the car essentially make it quite dull.

Having said that, for general commuting and mixed driving, to get 39.8 MPG for a 308bhp car is pretty good and so I've kept hold of it for now.

Hopefully this M340d will cure some of the issues from the 35d days, but I would want an extended test drive to get an idea.

[Ares]

For high-mileage users that still want a nice car, a 340bhp/550lb ft diesel is a great option, especially in this smaller package.

A full EV is the future, like it or not, and with superchargers, they are coming to me more and more relevant. Several sales reps I know have moved to T3s, but tax is still the predominant factor. Car for car, they'd rather have a 330d/335d/340d.

I've driven both (last gen 335d), and the Tesla might have the edge with tech, but the BMW still has the edge for the driver. For now.....

[Roy m]

FWIW I would love to go the electric route. However I'm doing a 413 mile journey tomorrow with the wife and the dog. With the diesel I'll get there with at least a quarter of a tank left and there's supermarket fill up next to the hotel. Out if interest I checked the Tesla planner - distance was 20 miles further to get to charging points, it needed two stops totalling 50 minutes and would arrive with very little battery power. In the diesel we'll stop where we want (at the top of the Pyrenees in the snow is first - no charging there) not where we have to. As this is a best case (Tesla network at off peak times) electricity just will not work for me. In the future (when we're past the commodore 64 stage) I'm sure things will change. In the meantime I'll stick with diesel.

[scottydoesntknow]

jamoor said:

How much is charging at home vs filling a car up with petrol?

100kWh Tesla Model S.
12p per kWh on a good-value overnight tariff.
100 x 12p = £12.
379 miles WLTP.

[jamoor]

scottydoesntknow said:

jamoor said:

How much is charging at home vs filling a car up with petrol?

100kWh Tesla Model S.
12p per kWh on a good-value overnight tariff.
100 x 12p = £12.
379 miles WLTP.

12p is a good standard tariff overnight is more like 8. Around here anyway.

[PRN2K]

All I can say is enjoy a BEV now before the UK gov't tax electric fuel as heavily as fossil fuel. At some point of popularity they'll not be able to avoid it!

[anonymous-user]

Bladedancer said:

Oppo said:

vtecbwahhh said:

Diesel, No Thank You.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Even when diesels were supposedly the bees knees I didn't want one, the diesel-gate makes sure I will never have another.

How short is human memory. Dieselgate you remember, but huge issues with petrol 35i when they first came out seem to be long forgotten.

No, I remember that too. And I dont want an old 335i either...