RE: Audi quattro | Anniversary Rise

RE: Audi quattro | Anniversary Rise

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Leithen

11,018 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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MFS151X

A brief history of what was one of the most remarkable cars we ever had.

As a few here will know, Dad (McNab) was an ex Jaguar Works Driver and one of the original Ecurie Ecosse line up. He was a complete petrolhead, owning a string of cars that today remain very desirable. Add into that a brief spell as a Ferrari Dealer here in Scotland, and you can imagine that we had a fascinating childhood.

One of our family businesses was and remains farming. In those days it took in a lot of hill ground on the way to Oban. Dad could pedal, and generally had the machinery to do it with, which led to many a farmer declining the offer of a lift to the Oban sales. Once and never again…

He was always interested in the next thing. The better car. Progress. He didn’t look back at all. So when word of the Quattro was revealed by Motor, or whatever publication it was, he was intrigued. I recall him borrowing a Coupe to try and understand what it was based on. But of course this didn’t help much.

So it was bought blind, from I think Ian Skelly in Glasgow. Left Hand drive was a concern, mainly for trade in value, but also the concern that Audi would begin to produce RHD versions. We were assured that there were no plans to do so.

It being LHD actually helped my mother, who had suffered a mild stroke during a heart valve replacement. Her left side was slightly weaker than her right and she grew to love the car, being able to change gear with her right hand.

And this sums up the remarkable ability and nature of the car. My mum wasn’t a slow driver, but she would happily hop in it and take it to the shops, or drive to Edinburgh. It was comfortable, docile, had light steering and an easy gearbox.

The next day my father could take it up to Killin in a fashion that would make Walter Rohrl blush, and come back deeply impressed by its abilities. Nothing stopped it. Narrow tyres and it’s excellent original 4WD system meant that ice and snow were not an issue. We would take to locking the centre diff when pressing on (never the rear diff). That tightened up the roadholding slightly, but then would of course catch you out when you arrived at your destination and forgot to disengage it - its turning circle becoming similar to a ship.

Turbo lag was an issue, but as Dan notes, keep it in the mid rev range and you could keep the torque pushing you on. The five pot turbo sound track was addictive. It also happily carried me to school, swallowing a large school trunk on its side into the odd shaped boot.

We visited the RAC rally at Donington in one of the first years and felt it wise to hide it, just in case the Audi team found themselves short of parts!

In time I passed my test and was eventually allowed to drive it. I adored it. It had such presence and as Dan says felt so planted. Headlights were utterly atrocious and how I managed to live with it for a year in London I have no idea.

I messed up once with it - entering a sharp right hander far too quickly in the wet. I lost the back, the front, the back again, and then it just sorted itself out. Dad outbraked himself into a forestry track, but there wasn’t too much damage.

We must have had it for close on 15 years. For a while we ran it alongside a Lancia Delta HF 4WD. The difference was stark and the Lancia never found a place in our hearts. In the end we probably did 50-60,000 miles in. It was bought by the director of the local Audi Garage, who gently restored it.

It was for sale for a while, alongside a short wheelbase Quattro - I should have hocked my grandmother and bought both. Instead, and very pleasingly Audi UK bought it, and here it is today, still impressing people.

Dad died a few years ago, but it remained one of his favourite cars to the end. It was just so capable. The most telling thing was that we would frequently reference it when discussing other cars. Not as good as the Quattro was a familiar refrain.

Happy days.

NotNormal

2,360 posts

215 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Leithen said:
Pics
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As a side a friend used to work for an Audi specialist when I was a fair bit younger, they always had a load of UR's in being fettled and made good power with some tweaks. I seem to recall even back then though, that some parts were hard to get, can imagine it's probably even worse these days!


rastapasta

1,872 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Leithen said:
MFS151X

A brief history of what was one of the most remarkable cars we ever had.

As a few here will know, Dad (McNab) was an ex Jaguar Works Driver and one of the original Ecurie Ecosse line up. He was a complete petrolhead, owning a string of cars that today remain very desirable. Add into that a brief spell as a Ferrari Dealer here in Scotland, and you can imagine that we had a fascinating childhood.

One of our family businesses was and remains farming. In those days it took in a lot of hill ground on the way to Oban. Dad could pedal, and generally had the machinery to do it with, which led to many a farmer declining the offer of a lift to the Oban sales. Once and never again…

He was always interested in the next thing. The better car. Progress. He didn’t look back at all. So when word of the Quattro was revealed by Motor, or whatever publication it was, he was intrigued. I recall him borrowing a Coupe to try and understand what it was based on. But of course this didn’t help much.

So it was bought blind, from I think Ian Skelly in Glasgow. Left Hand drive was a concern, mainly for trade in value, but also the concern that Audi would begin to produce RHD versions. We were assured that there were no plans to do so.

It being LHD actually helped my mother, who had suffered a mild stroke during a heart valve replacement. Her left side was slightly weaker than her right and she grew to love the car, being able to change gear with her right hand.

And this sums up the remarkable ability and nature of the car. My mum wasn’t a slow driver, but she would happily hop in it and take it to the shops, or drive to Edinburgh. It was comfortable, docile, had light steering and an easy gearbox.

The next day my father could take it up to Killin in a fashion that would make Walter Rohrl blush, and come back deeply impressed by its abilities. Nothing stopped it. Narrow tyres and it’s excellent original 4WD system meant that ice and snow were not an issue. We would take to locking the centre diff when pressing on (never the rear diff). That tightened up the roadholding slightly, but then would of course catch you out when you arrived at your destination and forgot to disengage it - its turning circle becoming similar to a ship.

Turbo lag was an issue, but as Dan notes, keep it in the mid rev range and you could keep the torque pushing you on. The five pot turbo sound track was addictive. It also happily carried me to school, swallowing a large school trunk on its side into the odd shaped boot.

We visited the RAC rally at Donington in one of the first years and felt it wise to hide it, just in case the Audi team found themselves short of parts!

In time I passed my test and was eventually allowed to drive it. I adored it. It had such presence and as Dan says felt so planted. Headlights were utterly atrocious and how I managed to live with it for a year in London I have no idea.

I messed up once with it - entering a sharp right hander far too quickly in the wet. I lost the back, the front, the back again, and then it just sorted itself out. Dad outbraked himself into a forestry track, but there wasn’t too much damage.

We must have had it for close on 15 years. For a while we ran it alongside a Lancia Delta HF 4WD. The difference was stark and the Lancia never found a place in our hearts. In the end we probably did 50-60,000 miles in. It was bought by the director of the local Audi Garage, who gently restored it.

It was for sale for a while, alongside a short wheelbase Quattro - I should have hocked my grandmother and bought both. Instead, and very pleasingly Audi UK bought it, and here it is today, still impressing people.

Dad died a few years ago, but it remained one of his favourite cars to the end. It was just so capable. The most telling thing was that we would frequently reference it when discussing other cars. Not as good as the Quattro was a familiar refrain.

Happy days.
This is a Lovely piece. Was or has there been anything in your lifetime to date to match it?

molineux1980

1,204 posts

220 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Awesome read Leithen,

The Audi Quattro was my first ever 'favourite car', I remember watching the rallying in the 80's and my dad buying me a replica Hannu Mikkola Quattro toy. I loved it.

Definitely in my lottery win garage.

Augustus Windsock

3,385 posts

156 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I have never owned a supercar, a Ferrari, Lamborghini or Porsche have always been outside my sphere.
But if all the cars I’ve owned, including TVRs, Golf Rallye, E36 M3, 3dr Cosworths, a 10k from new RS500 and a WR-engined UR Quattro, The Quattro is the ONLY car that I would own again in a flash, dynamic ‘faults’ and all
It had something most modern stuff lacks; a soul.
In fact it was the ONLY car o owned that I would actually get up early to drive through the early summer morning mists of The Peak District.
And the winter drives were equally memorable....


Lotobear

6,465 posts

129 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Leithen said:
MFS151X

A brief history of what was one of the most remarkable cars we ever had.

As a few here will know, Dad (McNab) was an ex Jaguar Works Driver and one of the original Ecurie Ecosse line up. He was a complete petrolhead, owning a string of cars that today remain very desirable. Add into that a brief spell as a Ferrari Dealer here in Scotland, and you can imagine that we had a fascinating childhood.

One of our family businesses was and remains farming. In those days it took in a lot of hill ground on the way to Oban. Dad could pedal, and generally had the machinery to do it with, which led to many a farmer declining the offer of a lift to the Oban sales. Once and never again…

He was always interested in the next thing. The better car. Progress. He didn’t look back at all. So when word of the Quattro was revealed by Motor, or whatever publication it was, he was intrigued. I recall him borrowing a Coupe to try and understand what it was based on. But of course this didn’t help much.

So it was bought blind, from I think Ian Skelly in Glasgow. Left Hand drive was a concern, mainly for trade in value, but also the concern that Audi would begin to produce RHD versions. We were assured that there were no plans to do so.

It being LHD actually helped my mother, who had suffered a mild stroke during a heart valve replacement. Her left side was slightly weaker than her right and she grew to love the car, being able to change gear with her right hand.

And this sums up the remarkable ability and nature of the car. My mum wasn’t a slow driver, but she would happily hop in it and take it to the shops, or drive to Edinburgh. It was comfortable, docile, had light steering and an easy gearbox.

The next day my father could take it up to Killin in a fashion that would make Walter Rohrl blush, and come back deeply impressed by its abilities. Nothing stopped it. Narrow tyres and it’s excellent original 4WD system meant that ice and snow were not an issue. We would take to locking the centre diff when pressing on (never the rear diff). That tightened up the roadholding slightly, but then would of course catch you out when you arrived at your destination and forgot to disengage it - its turning circle becoming similar to a ship.

Turbo lag was an issue, but as Dan notes, keep it in the mid rev range and you could keep the torque pushing you on. The five pot turbo sound track was addictive. It also happily carried me to school, swallowing a large school trunk on its side into the odd shaped boot.

We visited the RAC rally at Donington in one of the first years and felt it wise to hide it, just in case the Audi team found themselves short of parts!

In time I passed my test and was eventually allowed to drive it. I adored it. It had such presence and as Dan says felt so planted. Headlights were utterly atrocious and how I managed to live with it for a year in London I have no idea.

I messed up once with it - entering a sharp right hander far too quickly in the wet. I lost the back, the front, the back again, and then it just sorted itself out. Dad outbraked himself into a forestry track, but there wasn’t too much damage.

We must have had it for close on 15 years. For a while we ran it alongside a Lancia Delta HF 4WD. The difference was stark and the Lancia never found a place in our hearts. In the end we probably did 50-60,000 miles in. It was bought by the director of the local Audi Garage, who gently restored it.

It was for sale for a while, alongside a short wheelbase Quattro - I should have hocked my grandmother and bought both. Instead, and very pleasingly Audi UK bought it, and here it is today, still impressing people.

Dad died a few years ago, but it remained one of his favourite cars to the end. It was just so capable. The most telling thing was that we would frequently reference it when discussing other cars. Not as good as the Quattro was a familiar refrain.

Happy days.
That's a great story - my dad was not a car man but we eventually managed to persuade him to buy the lesser known Coupe Quattro for his company car back in the 80's - the 5 cylinder non turbo with AWD but no arches.

I recently found ths old pic, circa 1988, alongside my old Innocenti Mini

He was very free and easy with the keys and I used to rag the thing around the streets of Tyneside with my pals, one in his 3.0S Capri and the other in his RS2000. The engine sounded great and it had a lovley languid feel to it.

I've always lusted after a UR Quattro but think I've probably missed the boat now

Saw them in Kielder on many occasions on the RAC back in the day

RSchneider

215 posts

165 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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budgie smuggler said:
Great car, love it.

Can anyone explain this bit though? I don't understand given that in the video the car has manual diff locks. Was there also an automatic system on the centre diff?

article said:
Initially, Audi tried to get away without having an inter-axle diff and, although the high-speed performance of prototypes (even with a mere 160hp) was good enough to keep a Porsche 928 honest around Hockenheim, there was too much tyre scrub in the slower turns and when parking. A light, compact and cheap fix was to adapt the diff from the Audi 50/VW Polo and add it to the back of the gearbox. Dog clutches within this diff (and the rear one) locked them up on the move at any speed.
1987 the center diff was automated ("Torsen" - torque sensing), the rear diff remained manual until the end of production.

budgie smuggler

5,407 posts

160 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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RSchneider said:
1987 the center diff was automated ("Torsen" - torque sensing), the rear diff remained manual until the end of production.
Ah that makes more sense, thank you.

andy97

4,704 posts

223 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Had my 1989 MB version 22 years now. Purchasing it was the cause of my first and probably biggest ever marital row. I had been married 6 weeks at the time and thought I still had the right to make my own decisions! To be fair, I was supposed to be looking for a car for my wife at the time.

Still got the car and still got the wife. Both the best investments I ever made.

justa1972

303 posts

138 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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andy97 said:
Had my 1989 MB version 22 years now. Purchasing it was the cause of my first and probably biggest ever marital row. I had been married 6 weeks at the time and thought I still had the right to make my own decisions! To be fair, I was supposed to be looking for a car for my wife at the time.

Still got the car and still got the wife. Both the best investments I ever made.
Brilliant smile

Pics please !

Of the car that is smile

Digga

40,418 posts

284 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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cookie1600 said:


Yes I would and yes I'd love to.....
Nothing wrong with batting for both teams, but what about the car?

I remember, distinctly, a rapid cross country journey in my dad's mates Audi Coupe Sport 5 cyl. not the quattro, but the same engine and it was a beauty. The ur quattro is just superb. Aesthetically, I like the later 20v cars, but they're all ace.

FA57REN

1,023 posts

56 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Turbobanana said:
And what was the attraction that everyone else seemed so keen to see at the NEC in 1980? Austin Metro, of course.
Which was probably more influential overall. The Quattro was a tangent in technology terms, since the design isn't applicable to transverse engines which are the majority of road cars. Hence the modern Audi 'quattro' variants of the A3 and TT that actually use the Haldex system...

Edited by FA57REN on Thursday 30th January 15:10

carinaman

21,361 posts

173 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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skylarking808 said:
Think they got 4 wheel drive 80 sports in Europe?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/alb...

Shuthan_rs3

271 posts

130 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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I have owned Audis for a long while now and I can say what a masterpiece the quattro systems are, just makes you use the full potential of the car and the original quattro in itself is a legend, where it all started.

I own an RS3 and I love it, the 5 pot and quattro together is a lovely combo.

Edited by Shuthan_rs3 on Thursday 30th January 15:23

rastapasta

1,872 posts

139 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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skylarking808 said:
Made quite an impact when those squared off wonders hit the road back in the day.

Remember aged 17 driving my first car (Mk 1 Escort 1300 XL) in 1986 up the Torquay bypass. Red Quattro; the first I had ever seen, overtook me at warp speed and sounded/looked epic. Before that I probably lusted after a VW Golf Mk 1, but that of course changed.
Never driven one, but I did own a 1984 Audi 80 sport which was one of my faves of that era and a great base for the Quattro. Think they got 4 wheel drive 80 sports in Europe?

Black or green Quattro for me please.....

(I hear parts are a nightmare and they are very popular with tea leafs as they always were!)
They did as there was a very famous ad here in switzerland of one driving up a snow covered ski jump.

Dale487

1,336 posts

124 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Adrian E said:
Chap I used to work with late 90s/early 00s had a pair of uR quattros. A white 10V with black leather that'd been to the moon and back, and a black 20V that was mint and low miles when he got it (with cloth interior). Even then getting suspension components for the back end was quite challenging (I seem to recall some parts bin ingenuity was possible with non-Audi parts)

Had a ride in the 20V and loved it - very smooth and didn't feel that quick.

I settled for a £200 Passat GL5 for some lovely 5 cylinder burble smile
I remember reading a Sunday Time Motoring article about buying these used about 20-25 years ago; the car was brilliant and a bargain at c£7500 but a new Audi exhaust was £5500.

Leithen

11,018 posts

268 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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rastapasta said:
This is a Lovely piece. Was or has there been anything in your lifetime to date to match it?
On one hand, no. It was such a leap ahead and had such character.

On the other hand, as the video implies, so much of it, we now take for granted and find in so many cars.

The big difference however, and I'd be interested to know what Dan feels having driven it, are the tyre sizes. I feel we have lost a lot of the breadth of ability that it had by having larger and larger wheels and tyres in new cars. It was a supremely comfortable car, and I don't recall it ever feeling lacking in grip.

sajafzal

392 posts

154 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Excellent, got a 1985 UR in the garage, owned since 1987

10V in Red, was my dream car and in its own way it still is

Saj

carinaman

21,361 posts

173 months

Thursday 30th January 2020
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rastapasta said:
They did as there was a very famous ad here in switzerland of one driving up a snow covered ski jump.
The red 100 C3?

Or they did the same advert with all of the Quattro models?

Matt Bird

1,454 posts

206 months

PH Reportery Lad

Thursday 30th January 2020
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Leithen said:
Our old car! Lots of happy memories of MFS151X, and quite a life it had. Every bit as good and remarkable as Dan found it.
That's cool! Great to know.