End of petrol and hybrid
Discussion
Jimbo. said:
Jimboka said:
Good that hybrid are included, most are a nonsense:-
“ All our hybrids automatically run on electric power alone when driving conditions permit, switching off the petrol engine and reducing fuel consumption and exhaust emissions to zero. ... And unlike all-electric cars, there's no need for the vehicle to be plugged into a power source to be recharged”
Where does that magic free electricity come from? Bonkers concept..
As I suspect you know already, it just recovers energy that would otherwise be pissed away as heat by the brakes. So not such a bad idea after all.“ All our hybrids automatically run on electric power alone when driving conditions permit, switching off the petrol engine and reducing fuel consumption and exhaust emissions to zero. ... And unlike all-electric cars, there's no need for the vehicle to be plugged into a power source to be recharged”
Where does that magic free electricity come from? Bonkers concept..
Their real life MPG is woeful, not the answer! Will be banned (maybe) for a reason
This announcement is lip service... it will vê reviewed and the can kicked further when givernmentvrealises it’s not deliverable and is not election material.
ICE may well be dead but not in 15 years. Saying that if it forces manufactures to only make EV than that’s it but it won’t... the world is not ready for full EV by 2050 even!
ICE may well be dead but not in 15 years. Saying that if it forces manufactures to only make EV than that’s it but it won’t... the world is not ready for full EV by 2050 even!
petemurphy said:
so will 2nd hand petrol car values plumet or increase as you wont be able to buy them any more?
good luck to all the flat owners / people without car parking spaces charging their cars
This is not a problem for some until 2035 but for some of us this problem is NOW. The ULEZ expanding from London covers our road and the majority of houses do not have off street parking. Are we all supposed to run long extension leads up the road?good luck to all the flat owners / people without car parking spaces charging their cars
Absolutely no way the infrastructure is going to be in place any time soon
Lazadude said:
It takes a good 10+ years to build a new power station, especially a nuclear one because of unfounded public fear. Hinkley point C was first started being looked at in 2010 and won't be producing grid power until 2025!
2025..... 
Will be closer to 2030......
EDF are now saying online in 2027, but I suspect that will end up being 2028 at best.
The next half a dozen new stations will need to start construction within the next 3-4 years to even be close to adding the capacity required for 2035, and none of them are even beyond planning/agreement/discussion stage currently.
The idiocy of Govt.
fatboy b said:
Miserablegit said:
I see Boris is now including hybrid vehicles in his plans to remove petrol vehicles from sale from 2035. There is to be a consultation but we all know consultations are a waste of time as the politicians do what they like anyway based on whatever is popular at that time.
After an EV owner said their car was scrap after 8 years I looked at battery warranties. Tesla give a warranty for 150,000 miles or 8 years. That effectively means a Tesla will be scrap after 8 years does it not?
Not particularly green. Ok for emissions at point of use.
Yet they take 13 years before they have offset all the non-green manufacturing processes and running costs until that point. After an EV owner said their car was scrap after 8 years I looked at battery warranties. Tesla give a warranty for 150,000 miles or 8 years. That effectively means a Tesla will be scrap after 8 years does it not?
Not particularly green. Ok for emissions at point of use.
ks - citation needed...Soo much misinformation in here from the dinosaurs it is unbelievable.
You are all assuming that it will still be commercially viable to produce an ICE car in 15 years. I would bet, that the emissions regulations will be so tight that EV will be the only technology that is commercially viable that can meet the regulations.
You are all assuming that it will still be commercially viable to produce an ICE car in 15 years. I would bet, that the emissions regulations will be so tight that EV will be the only technology that is commercially viable that can meet the regulations.
15yrs for last sales means 20-25 yrs for last of usable ICE. That's a long time.
The cars are pretty much there and will be greatly improved in 5 yrs time.
Infrastructure (both public and privately funded) is lagging but will come on-stream.
A bumpy few years ahead no doubt, but no problem for 2035.
When the 3G licences were auctioned off in 2000 many laughed at the amounts of money and scoffed at what could be achieved. 10years later we had the iPhone4. That analogy is to demonstrate how little the population can see ahead.
The cars are pretty much there and will be greatly improved in 5 yrs time.
Infrastructure (both public and privately funded) is lagging but will come on-stream.
A bumpy few years ahead no doubt, but no problem for 2035.
When the 3G licences were auctioned off in 2000 many laughed at the amounts of money and scoffed at what could be achieved. 10years later we had the iPhone4. That analogy is to demonstrate how little the population can see ahead.
CrgT16 said:
This announcement is lip service... it will vê reviewed and the can kicked further when givernmentvrealises it’s not deliverable and is not election material.
ICE may well be dead but not in 15 years. Saying that if it forces manufactures to only make EV than that’s it but it won’t... the world is not ready for full EV by 2050 even!
it is totally possible in 10 to 15 years, with substantial government planning and fundingICE may well be dead but not in 15 years. Saying that if it forces manufactures to only make EV than that’s it but it won’t... the world is not ready for full EV by 2050 even!
The reality is they will still be debating what shape to make the green blob on the EV number plates in 10 years time.
A Winner Is You said:
We're alrwdy starting to see reports on the dangers of brake dust and tyre debris, so what's the betting this will be the discovery that shows EVs aren't as good for the environment as originally thought?
that's what comes after everyone shifts to EVs so that they can ban personal transport Megaflow said:
Soo much misinformation in here from the dinosaurs it is unbelievable.
You are all assuming that it will still be commercially viable to produce an ICE car in 15 years. I would bet, that the emissions regulations will be so tight that EV will be the only technology that is commercially viable that can meet the regulations.
Accused of spreading misinformation by someone who seems to be able to predict the future.You are all assuming that it will still be commercially viable to produce an ICE car in 15 years. I would bet, that the emissions regulations will be so tight that EV will be the only technology that is commercially viable that can meet the regulations.
RobDickinson said:
10 years ago you had the Tesla roadster, 2-3kw charging and not much else. Not even a leaf.
Now you have cars with 370 mile range, 2.4s to 60 and up to 350kw charging
In 15 years no one is going to be buying cars with pistons in.
Spot on. The average driver hasn't a clue what is under the bonnet or how their car works/functions. what they want is lots of bling inside and an ipad.tablet and connectivity. We all know 93% of trips are <7 miles anyway, so range/charging ain't an issue. Now you have cars with 370 mile range, 2.4s to 60 and up to 350kw charging
In 15 years no one is going to be buying cars with pistons in.
I'd say re: charging, when I go to put fuel in my car, its a rarity you see the last user ever filled their car. it all seems to be £10 to £30. so people are only giving themselves a fuel range of maybe 100-250 miles anyway- eg what you can achieve from an EV anyway !
Of course there is always some nutter who needs to drive 700 miles in one go, on one tank, with no stops in some cannonball esque manner, but maybe the nurses will come for him by 2035.
I find hybrids a fail as an option. I looked at them and for a lot of money, they're no better than a brilliant diesel. So I went straight for an EV for my wife and I can honestly say, some years later, you'd never ever go back to an ICE car.
However, I do appreciate having the option of a bigger, better diesel car, with more range- because EV's are not quite there yet.
I'd predict that we'll only see new diesel/petrol cars coming onto the market for the next 10 years. after that- by 2030- they'll tail out completely because of the time to develop and launch EV's- no manufacturer will be bringing out amazing ICE cars, knowing there is no future for them. So you've got 10 years folks to fill yr boots !!!
When did people get all interested in "Offsetting the CO2 used in production" taking n years ?
New Ferrari Portofino thread, dont think there was one mention.
New Yaris GR, nope, dont remember anything about the CO2 then either ?
Any EV "Oh no, but what about the CO2, we are all doomed", quick post a picture of Great Thunberg demanding we all drive EV's whilst an impoverished child miner says how hard they are working. For bonus points, a picture of a Lithium mine, that actually isnt a Lithium mine.
there are real issues with EV's but I just cant get my head around people who love uncatalysed V8's blaring away getting all eco minded, oil extraction and processing is pretty bad for the environemnt, plus you have to then burn it. It cant get much better than it is, EV tech isnt there, power distribution isnt there but it can only improve, EV's running on entirely sustainable energy generation is the utopia. With some V8's for fun...
New Ferrari Portofino thread, dont think there was one mention.
New Yaris GR, nope, dont remember anything about the CO2 then either ?
Any EV "Oh no, but what about the CO2, we are all doomed", quick post a picture of Great Thunberg demanding we all drive EV's whilst an impoverished child miner says how hard they are working. For bonus points, a picture of a Lithium mine, that actually isnt a Lithium mine.
there are real issues with EV's but I just cant get my head around people who love uncatalysed V8's blaring away getting all eco minded, oil extraction and processing is pretty bad for the environemnt, plus you have to then burn it. It cant get much better than it is, EV tech isnt there, power distribution isnt there but it can only improve, EV's running on entirely sustainable energy generation is the utopia. With some V8's for fun...
Pvapour said:
I dont think minority in respect to what you enjoy, maybe in the fact you cant see what the future will actually be for ice.. you’ll still be able to enjoy your petrol car, it’ll cost you more, track, events, rallys etc.
Maybe the costs will reveal how deep peoples ‘enthusiasm’ really runs when they cant pcp their cars anymore.
Plus keep an open mind to the fun that’ll be had in evs
Fun in Ev,s by the time everybody is forced into ev cars Maybe the costs will reveal how deep peoples ‘enthusiasm’ really runs when they cant pcp their cars anymore.
Plus keep an open mind to the fun that’ll be had in evs
You won’t even be able to drive anymore, it will be all automated to remove humans from the process which is exactly what the powers to be want, it’s the last health and safety takedown that they have been craving for some time, by the time ev is all you can buy new I will be at the minimum 65 so by then I really won’t give a fig i will of had the best of ragging around in petrol lovely’s and I’ll be more concerned about when the nurse is coming round to wipe my arse
Jamescrs said:
Major Fallout said:
This would ruin my 4 generation family business, and leave me as a 50 year old unskilled person. I would have to go on benefits.
Unless someone can sort out a fuel you still need a small forecourt for.
Without wanting to come across as harsh, you currently have 15 years notice give or take, that should be long enough for anyone to either rethink the business model or retrain in something else entirely. Unless someone can sort out a fuel you still need a small forecourt for.
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