End of petrol and hybrid

[df76]

BricktopST205 said:

marky911 said:

Jesus Christ, you need to get out more.
You’ve never been into trackdays then or foreign roadtrips. (Stupid question, as you can’t wait to see the death of the motorcar).

To head off thousands of miles, across several countries and not take a can of petrol is plain stupid. Unless you like wasting a day of your holiday waiting for the recovery company to come and get you from up a mountain pass.
You can plan all you like but things happen along the way.

I’ve read it all now mind. A grown man scared to have a can of petrol in his car. I hope you don’t apply that logic to all aspects of your life or you’ll never leave the house. Better not shower either, just incase you slip on that lethal slippery floor and hit your head. And don’t ever carry anything down the stairs. You’re guaranteed to not live to tell that tale.

This forum has gone to the dogs. Eco nutcase, snowflake, extremist, anxiety sufferers.
Again, Jesus Christ.

I’m going to make sure I stay off this thread. There’s a tiny percentage of people speaking any sense.
The rest well, wow, just wow.

RIP PistonHeads forums. Once frequented by level headed car enthusiasts. Now taken over by mumsnet, Daily Mail, panickers.

Someone sensible. I thought i had stumbled onto the Guardian readers forum. :P

Hang on, is it Daily Mail or Guardian readers?? Quite a spectrum (and I'm neither of those..).

[321boost]

Evanivitch said:

marky911 said:

Jesus Christ, you need to get out more.
You’ve never been into trackdays then or foreign roadtrips. (Stupid question, as you can’t wait to see the death of the motorcar).

To head off thousands of miles, across several countries and not take a can of petrol is plain stupid. Unless you like wasting a day of your holiday waiting for the recovery company to come and get you from up a mountain pass.
You can plan all you like but things happen along the way.

I’ve read it all now mind. A grown man scared to have a can of petrol in his car. I hope you don’t apply that logic to all aspects of your life or you’ll never leave the house. Better not shower either, just incase you slip on that lethal slippery floor and hit your head. And don’t ever carry anything down the stairs. You’re guaranteed to not live to tell that tale.

This forum has gone to the dogs. Eco nutcase, snowflake, extremist, anxiety sufferers.
Again, Jesus Christ.

I’m going to make sure I stay off this thread. There’s a tiny percentage of people speaking any sense.
The rest well, wow, just wow.

RIP PistonHeads forums. Once frequented by level headed car enthusiasts. Now taken over by mumsnet, Daily Mail, panickers.

Triggered?

I've done track days. I drive to the nearest petrol station. I don't drive 1000 miles with petrol in a Jerry can.

I've done adventure driving through wilderness. It was petrol being carried outside where it is supposed to be.

But hey, if you two want to win Darwin Awards then crack on. Perhaps drive on bald tyres too, or maybe without brake pads? Grown men don't need brakes!

Lolol first question, are you 12?

Second, get out more...

Wilderness adventures...is this one of those experience days?

Edited by 321boost on Friday 14th February 18:06

[Evanivitch]

321boost said:

Lolol first question, are you 12?

Second, get out more...

Wilderness adventures...is this one of those experience days?

Edited by 321boost on Friday 14th February 18:06

That's okay petal, outdoors can be scary. You stick to watching Mr Grylls.

[321boost]

Evanivitch said:

321boost said:

Lolol first question, are you 12?

Second, get out more...

Wilderness adventures...is this one of those experience days?

Edited by 321boost on Friday 14th February 18:06

That's okay petal, outdoors can be scary. You stick to watching Mr Grylls.

Lmao, clearly it’s you who’s been scared of the world ending, did we steal your childhood too?

[xjay1337]

Evanivitch said:

BricktopST205 said:

Obviously not. Places like Cadwell Park and Blyton park don't have petrol on site (Cadwell does but basic and often empty) and the nearest stations only have basic fuel and if you had gone to track days you would have seen dozens of people with Jerry cans full.

Edited by BricktopST205 on Friday 14th February 16:25

So everyone is driving a 1000 miles with Jerry cans!

Would love to know how tall your desk is to be able to type from all the way up there.

[mygoldfishbowl]

321boost said:

Evanivitch said:

321boost said:

Lolol first question, are you 12?

Second, get out more...

Wilderness adventures...is this one of those experience days?

Edited by 321boost on Friday 14th February 18:06

That's okay petal, outdoors can be scary. You stick to watching Mr Grylls.

Lmao, clearly it’s you who’s been scared of the world ending, did we steal your childhood too?

How dare you!

[Zoobeef]

My current daily cost £2k, I can do up to 700 (over 50mpg) miles from a tank, tow my car transporter and refill rapidly. Until theres an electric car that can do all that then I'll be sticking with ICE.

Also, I've replaced the battery 4 times in the noble in the last 9 years from forgetting to put it on the charger.
People are lazy, and in a hurry. Neither bodes well for running a (current) electric car.

[cwn]

Time for all petrolheads to realise that hydrogen in reciprocating piston engines can offer all the rewards of petrol without the problems. We should start an earnest campaign to lobby all politicians, everywhere, to support hydrogen as a replacement for the petroleum economy. The technology to make hydrogen with "green" electricity is already and avaiable. Changes to existing petrol engines would be relatively minor. Comments? Support?

[Dave Hedgehog]

cwn said:

Time for all petrolheads to realise that hydrogen in reciprocating piston engines can offer all the rewards of petrol without the problems. We should start an earnest campaign to lobby all politicians, everywhere, to support hydrogen as a replacement for the petroleum economy. The technology to make hydrogen with "green" electricity is already and avaiable. Changes to existing petrol engines would be relatively minor. Comments? Support?

time for people to realise why hydrogen in piston engines is bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ajq46qHp0c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ECwRnJ0Sg

98% of all hydrogen is black and it will take a good 10+ years before green hydrogen is scaled up to anything like usable quantities because the process uses so much electricity

then there's the storage problems, and its a very expensive fuel (more than fossil)

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Wednesday 19th February 15:36

[otolith]

cwn said:

Time for all petrolheads to realise that hydrogen in reciprocating piston engines can offer all the rewards of petrol without the problems. We should start an earnest campaign to lobby all politicians, everywhere, to support hydrogen as a replacement for the petroleum economy. The technology to make hydrogen with "green" electricity is already and avaiable. Changes to existing petrol engines would be relatively minor. Comments? Support?

Obscenely energy inefficient I’m afraid.

[rick.e]

otolith said:

cwn said:

Time for all petrolheads to realise that hydrogen in reciprocating piston engines can offer all the rewards of petrol without the problems. We should start an earnest campaign to lobby all politicians, everywhere, to support hydrogen as a replacement for the petroleum economy. The technology to make hydrogen with "green" electricity is already and avaiable. Changes to existing petrol engines would be relatively minor. Comments? Support?

Obscenely energy inefficient I’m afraid.

This! Nobody in their right mind would burn hydrogen in a piston engine, when a fuel cell is several times more efficient.

[PopChappers]

So will Pistonheads become Batteryheads???

[Zoobeef]

Cellheads sounds a bit better.

[RobDickinson]

Me when someone mentions hydrogen

Me when they mean burning it in a piston engine

[skyrover]

Anyone considered plant?

DIgger's, bulldozers, wood chippers, dumpers, the list goes on and on.

Not practical to power them with electricity.

[RobDickinson]

skyrover said:

Anyone considered plant?

DIgger's, bulldozers, wood chippers, cranes, the list goes on and on.

Not practical to power them with electricity.

There are already electric diggers, most large plant uses electric motors anyhow ( though often powered by diesel engines).

https://im-mining.com/2017/06/28/e-dumper-electric...

https://electrek.co/2019/01/29/caterpillar-electri...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cumZxYjzx6M

[Evanivitch]

skyrover said:

Anyone considered plant?

DIgger's, bulldozers, wood chippers, dumpers, the list goes on and on.

Not practical to power them with electricity.

In a day and age when information is literally at your fingertips, how far up your own arse do you have to be to make such ignorant statements?

The first is my favourite. In effect, a perpetual motion mining truck.
https://hackaday.com/2019/08/22/electric-dump-truc...

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infras...

https://www.theconstructionindex.co.uk/news/view/j...

https://electrek.co/2019/01/29/caterpillar-electri...

[MrOrange]

skyrover said:

Anyone considered plant?

DIgger's, bulldozers, wood chippers, dumpers, the list goes on and on.

Not practical to power them with electricity.

Diesel-electric. Like trains. Offers the huge torque, efficient combustion cycles, and lower servicing/running costs. Actually makes good sense. Maybe not 2-stroke wood chippers, though.

[skyrover]

RobDickinson said:

skyrover said:

Anyone considered plant?

DIgger's, bulldozers, wood chippers, cranes, the list goes on and on.

Not practical to power them with electricity.

There are already electric diggers, most large plant uses electric motors anyhow ( though often powered by diesel engines).

https://im-mining.com/2017/06/28/e-dumper-electric...

https://electrek.co/2019/01/29/caterpillar-electri...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cumZxYjzx6M

Yes, diesel electric. The diesel part is quite important.

[otolith]

There may be some applications which are harder to decarbonise than cars. Planes are also difficult. Some of the options which would be silly for cars (hydrogen, synfuels) may need to be used.