End of petrol and hybrid
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I'm amazed by the confidence people have in the future of classic cars. I'd be worried about just how usable they will be in the future.
Are you going to be able to use them on the public roads?
Is fuel going to be easily available?
I'd be reluctant to spend 100K+ on a classic only to find that in the not to distant future their are going to be practical and legal restrictions on how I can use it.
Are you going to be able to use them on the public roads?
Is fuel going to be easily available?
I'd be reluctant to spend 100K+ on a classic only to find that in the not to distant future their are going to be practical and legal restrictions on how I can use it.
Miserablegit said:
I see Boris is now including hybrid vehicles in his plans to remove petrol vehicles from sale from 2035. There is to be a consultation but we all know consultations are a waste of time as the politicians do what they like anyway based on whatever is popular at that time.
After an EV owner said their car was scrap after 8 years I looked at battery warranties. Tesla give a warranty for 150,000 miles or 8 years. That effectively means a Tesla will be scrap after 8 years does it not?
Not particularly green. Ok for emissions at point of use.
How long does BMW, Mercedes, Audi warrant their cars for and they aren't scrap after the warranty periods?After an EV owner said their car was scrap after 8 years I looked at battery warranties. Tesla give a warranty for 150,000 miles or 8 years. That effectively means a Tesla will be scrap after 8 years does it not?
Not particularly green. Ok for emissions at point of use.
That aside battery costs are falling with time...
The denial is breath taking.
This is where we are going.
It has been utterly obvious that this is where we are going for ages now.
But but but but power stations lithium mines cobalt hydrogen terraced houses cables over pavements 500 miles a day batteries dead in 8 years wah wah wah - just shut the f
k up.
You don't have to like it, I certainly don't, but in the medium to long term we are not going to be allowed to drive ICE cars. The writing is on the wall. We are either going to make electric cars work for our circumstances, or we are going to change our circumstances, or we are going to get the bus.
This is where we are going.
It has been utterly obvious that this is where we are going for ages now.
But but but but power stations lithium mines cobalt hydrogen terraced houses cables over pavements 500 miles a day batteries dead in 8 years wah wah wah - just shut the f
k up. You don't have to like it, I certainly don't, but in the medium to long term we are not going to be allowed to drive ICE cars. The writing is on the wall. We are either going to make electric cars work for our circumstances, or we are going to change our circumstances, or we are going to get the bus.
Reciprocating mass said:
Fun in Ev,s by the time everybody is forced into ev cars
You won’t even be able to drive anymore, it will be all automated to remove humans from the process which is exactly what the powers to be want, it’s the last health and safety takedown that they have been craving for some time, by the time ev is all you can buy new I will be at the minimum 65 so by then I really won’t give a fig i will of had the best of ragging around in petrol lovely’s and I’ll be more concerned about when the nurse is coming round to wipe my arse
This.You won’t even be able to drive anymore, it will be all automated to remove humans from the process which is exactly what the powers to be want, it’s the last health and safety takedown that they have been craving for some time, by the time ev is all you can buy new I will be at the minimum 65 so by then I really won’t give a fig i will of had the best of ragging around in petrol lovely’s and I’ll be more concerned about when the nurse is coming round to wipe my arse
With a planet population of over 10bn by then if not more, more and more restrictions on freedoms of the population will need to be in place.
And by 2035, I'll be well into my 70's so like you other than maybe charging up my mobility scooter, I'll also be more concerned about the nurse visits as well.
If I'm really lucky, I might still be able to annoy the f
k out of enviromentalists by burning the skins on the '32........as long as Coker keep making bias ply vintage tyres and I can afford to buy them on my pension 
Reciprocating mass said:
fear of change lol more like lack of interest
This.Every car I get (I am a bit limited as I have to have a company car) costs less then the previous one, has less options, if any, never even gets washed. Our private car the wife drives about in has been here for 12.5 years. Why? Total lack of interest in buying anything. There is almost nothing I find interesting on sale in the UK. Modern cars are more reliable, safer, and about as interesting as my toaster. The last thing I enjoyed was a V8 Tahoe in the US, because it sounded epic and was amazing in the snow.
Electric car? Even less interesting, and will spend even less money on it. Yes I will end up having one, but probably won't even notice who it is made by.
This is nothing to do with saving the planet, nothing to do with pollution.
It's all about control, surveillance, monitoring and road pricing.
Slowly but surely, as is already happening, further legislation on what has to be included in new cars will be rolled out.
I am absolutely certain that by 2050 all new cars in the UK will have to have to have GPS and a mobile data connection fitted, and the car will be enabled by an electronic driving licence. It will also have to be enabled electronically by DVLA. It will be 100% trackable, speed limits will be electronically enforced, road pricing will be the norm.
They rich and powerful hate the freedom that cars bring, and the clean air argument is the way they'll use to curtail that freedom.
Tin foil hat? Maybe, but I don't think so.
It's all about control, surveillance, monitoring and road pricing.
Slowly but surely, as is already happening, further legislation on what has to be included in new cars will be rolled out.
I am absolutely certain that by 2050 all new cars in the UK will have to have to have GPS and a mobile data connection fitted, and the car will be enabled by an electronic driving licence. It will also have to be enabled electronically by DVLA. It will be 100% trackable, speed limits will be electronically enforced, road pricing will be the norm.
They rich and powerful hate the freedom that cars bring, and the clean air argument is the way they'll use to curtail that freedom.
Tin foil hat? Maybe, but I don't think so.
df76 said:
MC Bodge said:
I detect fear of change.
With bells on.Failure to see that play and fun will still be possible in both, petrol at events hooning, evs watching a film while it whisks you to your destination or sleeping overnight and waking in you sunny destination, loads of variations between now and then that will be exciting.
Petulant kids spring to mind.
Fatball said:
Until something matches the range, price and size of our used 520d then we won’t be buying anything electric. The stopping to charge at some point and in some instances twice just isn’t practical.
However, we run two cars. The 5 which we’ve put 70k on so far and a second car that I tend to change a lot. Mostly sheds but they are used for the kids, dog, stuff to the tip and local stuff along with the odd 40 mile round trip to work. At the moment we have a Lexus rx300 and it’s previously been a focus estate, Audi allroad etc.... so this is something we could swap for an EV but again, it would have to be an estate and mostly available for shed money.
I’d love to change jobs and us be able to run one EV that did everything for us and looking at the way things have advanced that may be possible in 15 years time.
When we do all switch to EV I’d like to think that I keep a combustion engine vehicle as I doubt I’ll be able to let go. That along with a 2 stroke motorbike to stick it to the man
Moot point but it’s odd you seem to buy bangers for the dog and family transport whilst much newer for yourself. However, we run two cars. The 5 which we’ve put 70k on so far and a second car that I tend to change a lot. Mostly sheds but they are used for the kids, dog, stuff to the tip and local stuff along with the odd 40 mile round trip to work. At the moment we have a Lexus rx300 and it’s previously been a focus estate, Audi allroad etc.... so this is something we could swap for an EV but again, it would have to be an estate and mostly available for shed money.
I’d love to change jobs and us be able to run one EV that did everything for us and looking at the way things have advanced that may be possible in 15 years time.
When we do all switch to EV I’d like to think that I keep a combustion engine vehicle as I doubt I’ll be able to let go. That along with a 2 stroke motorbike to stick it to the man
Surely you want the safest vehicle possible is newer taking your cherubs about not just yourself eh...
HealeyV8 said:
Generally the high (over) priced classics are bought for speculation and don't get driven much any way. So apart from maybe losing money won't affect those owners anyway.
If you have bought a car purely as an investment and it's value goes down, that will be a negative affect. I don't see a problem for the elite level stuff, you'll still be able to trailer your Bugatti type 35 to shows / hill climbs and you probably didn't do many road miles in it anyway.
But for the more modern stuff, which can still be 100K+ (e.g. air-cooled Porsches) if taking it out for a weekend drive because a major bureaucratic and logistical exercise I can see prices taking a significant hit.
Maybe everything in the classic scene will continue much as it does today but I wouldn't want to have a significant proportion of my wealth tied up in a classic until the future becomes clearer.
Isn't it just new cars?
Under the proposals, you will still be able to buy secondhand cars so petrol stations will still exist as will car parts supplies. It's not like non-EVs will be banned from the roads.
It's a shame they're going for hybrids, too, because they seem a right balance for people at the moment. I CBA dealing with an EV.
Under the proposals, you will still be able to buy secondhand cars so petrol stations will still exist as will car parts supplies. It's not like non-EVs will be banned from the roads.
It's a shame they're going for hybrids, too, because they seem a right balance for people at the moment. I CBA dealing with an EV.
rjg48 said:
MC Bodge said:
I detect fear of change.
Not fear of change.Charging a car at home is not possible for millions of Londoners, for one.
London has very different transport needs to the rest of the country.
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