RE: Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 | PH Review

[PhantomPH]

russy01 said:

PhantomPH said:

Am I the only one who is waiting to order a PDK one when the books open? Now where is that 'hiding in a box' emoji....

Too right, love a manual in the right car. I.e an s2000 from 20yrs ago...

But these Modern Boxes are just so good nowadays... unfortunately I think a lot of people complain about them simply as they haven’t used a good one paired with a hot engine.

I.e you can’t compare an auto diesel mondeo to say a MDCT in a 500hp M4.

Give me a PDK porker over manual every day of the week.

I've had manual and PDK Pork and whilst they were both great, on balance I'd take the PDK (if it was an option on the car, of course!). As fun as it is to stir the pot yourself, a lot of the time I was using my car to...you know...go places and do things. PDK in auto mode is a much more enjoyable 'rush hour' experience and the trackways I did in the PDK were no less enjoyable because I was using paddles and not a stick. In fact since I am not a driving God, I was able to commit more of my brain to finding breaking points, learning the track, picking my line and watching out for other cars because I wasn't trying to be a hero and heel-and-toe at every opportunity or risk grabbing 1st instead of 3rd by accident.

And not to be too much of a wimp, the Porsche paddles are a very satisfying thing to use. MILES nicer than Audi's plastic efforts which are awful.

[Sport220]

Steve Sutcliffe addresses the gear ratios problem on his review, worth a watch

[Charlie_1]

SidewaysSi said:

Would rather an Alpine over this VW. Some of the switchgear looks terrible.

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

The sound of an idiot making a stupid noise , makes me despair

[Charlie_1]

flukey5 said:

My point is, none of these sell for anything close to the base RRP after options, I'm sure even you would spend at least a few ££££, and you don't see any return on investment on any of these.

Porsche is a premium sports car manufacturer, I expect some kind of basic features that are standard on things like a Honda jazz...

The "no I want a stripped out lightweight car" argument is a little hard to accept given the near 1500kg weight.

If you really want the raw experience with a manual 6-banger and no turbos then why not grab a Lotus Exige?

Why do ypu 'expect ' those features , because they are available on another vehicle ? thats very odd logic , Porsche have built a car that is pretty much perfect (not just me all the reviews I have heard / read say so) at the thing it was designed to do , what Porsche is doing is giving you the chance to add stuff you dont actually need so are giving you a choice

[SidewaysSi]

Charlie_1 said:

SidewaysSi said:

Would rather an Alpine over this VW. Some of the switchgear looks terrible.

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

The sound of an idiot making a stupid noise , makes me despair

Read comments above.

[Charlie_1]

PhantomPH said:

Am I the only one who is waiting to order a PDK one when the books open? Now where is that 'hiding in a box' emoji....

I have spoken with my OPC they will take an order for a PDK GTS 4.0 but his 'off the record' comment was that I probally wont see it for a year

[PhantomPH]

Charlie_1 said:

PhantomPH said:

Am I the only one who is waiting to order a PDK one when the books open? Now where is that 'hiding in a box' emoji....

I have spoken with my OPC they will take an order for a PDK GTS 4.0 but his 'off the record' comment was that I probally wont see it for a year

I don't mind the wait. My most 'local' OPC is a bit tender when it comes to someone buying a car from another OPC, but if needs be I will speak to a couple and see what can be done.

[robburdett]

If the rumours are true that the next gen Cayman will be a six pot, won't it make the 718 GTS look a bit steep (4 litre engine aside)?

[nickfrog]

robburdett said:

If the rumours are true that the next gen Cayman will be a six pot, won't it make the 718 GTS look a bit steep (4 litre engine aside)?

There isn't a massive delta between the GTS 4 pot and the GTS 6 pot. I am sure they will have a cohesive range next time around too.

[Lexington59]

robburdett said:

If the rumours are true that the next gen Cayman will be a six pot, won't it make the 718 GTS look a bit steep (4 litre engine aside)?

Next gen Cayman more likely to be an EV...

Some of the European tax rates on these 4.0's are insane look at the Belgian rates posted earlier:

4.0 €10233 tax to get it registered
€2612 anual tax
Thats €12845 before youve driven the car

Cayman S 2.5L €2950 tax to get it registered
€678 anual tax
Thats €3628 which is a lot more bearable

Cayman 2L €2084 tax to get it registered
€447 anual tax
At € 2531 thats one fifth of the tax on the 4.0

Ouch, the 2 grand UK first year tax looks cheap by comparison.

Edited by Lexington59 on Tuesday 18th February 15:22

[Venisonpie]

Sport220 said:

Steve Sutcliffe addresses the gear ratios problem on his review, worth a watch

I'm a serial moaner about Pork gear ratios - I'd be interested to hear this. Could you post up a link?

[bcr5784]

Venisonpie said:

Sport220 said:

Steve Sutcliffe addresses the gear ratios problem on his review, worth a watch

I'm a serial moaner about Pork gear ratios - I'd be interested to hear this. Could you post up a link?

He mentioned that 2nd was good for over 80mph and that the engine had plenty of shove from 3000 rpm - which didn't really strike me as addressing the
issue. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UdFED2cgZs

[robburdett]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No facts to back my statement up obviously! I just assumed that the next S version will be a fair bit cheaper with little in it in terms of performance, probably more fuel efficient and with a better cabin. That said, if its an EV (see next post), the 718 GTS may ultimately prove a bargain from a depreciation perspective.

[robburdett]

Lexington59 said:

robburdett said:

If the rumours are true that the next gen Cayman will be a six pot, won't it make the 718 GTS look a bit steep (4 litre engine aside)?

Next gen Cayman more likely to be an EV...

Some of the European tax rates on these 4.0's are insane look at the Belgian rates posted earlier:

4.0 €10233 tax to get it registered
€2612 anual tax
Thats €12845 before youve driven the car

Cayman S 2.5L €2950 tax to get it registered
€678 anual tax
Thats €3628 which is a lot more bearable

Cayman 2L €2084 tax to get it registered
€447 anual tax
At € 2531 thats one fifth of the tax on the 4.0

Ouch, the 2 grand UK first year tax looks cheap by comparison.

Blimey. Its all changing. i feel old.

Edited by Lexington59 on Tuesday 18th February 15:22

[CABC]

bcr5784 said:

He mentioned that 2nd was good for over 80mph and that the engine had plenty of shove from 3000 rpm - which didn't really strike me as addressing the
issue. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UdFED2cgZs

exactly.
as he says "plenty of torque from 3000 and it goes beserk over 6000"
well, sports car, we want to be around 6000 not 3000!
still looks to be a really great car with gearing as its (only?) weakness. inference is that it's Sutcliff's favourite car of the moment.

[av185]

Every new n.a. Porsche is Sutcliffes favourite.

[Venisonpie]

CABC said:

bcr5784 said:

He mentioned that 2nd was good for over 80mph and that the engine had plenty of shove from 3000 rpm - which didn't really strike me as addressing the
issue. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UdFED2cgZs

exactly.
as he says "plenty of torque from 3000 and it goes beserk over 6000"
well, sports car, we want to be around 6000 not 3000!
still looks to be a really great car with gearing as its (only?) weakness. inference is that it's Sutcliff's favourite car of the moment.

In the whole 6 mins he changes gear 4 times, it sits in second gear virtually the whole time. This just reinforces the frustration rather than mitigates it.

[bcr5784]

Venisonpie said:

In the whole 6 mins he changes gear 4 times, it sits in second gear virtually the whole time. This just reinforces the frustration rather than mitigates it.

The Evo report is wholely positive https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayman/202238/porsch... However, it does say that second gear is too long on the TRACK, but is fine on the road. It also says that the Cayster uses double wishbone suspension - so how much credence should you give it?

I do get the feeling that (natural) euphoria over the re-introduction of the NA6 might be clouding their judgement a tad.

[PhantomPH]

robburdett said:

If the rumours are true that the next gen Cayman will be a six pot, won't it make the 718 GTS look a bit steep (4 litre engine aside)?

Actually, the rumours I've seen floating around are that the next gen Cayman is going to be electric. A sportscar evolution of the Taycan technology.

ETA links:

https://jalopnik.com/all-electric-porsche-718-boxs...

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/porsches...

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/porsche-718-box...

Edited by PhantomPH on Tuesday 18th February 19:43

[Prestonese]

CABC said:

bcr5784 said:

He mentioned that 2nd was good for over 80mph and that the engine had plenty of shove from 3000 rpm - which didn't really strike me as addressing the
issue. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UdFED2cgZs

exactly.
as he says "plenty of torque from 3000 and it goes beserk over 6000"
well, sports car, we want to be around 6000 not 3000!
still looks to be a really great car with gearing as its (only?) weakness. inference is that it's Sutcliff's favourite car of the moment.

I don't doubt it is a very good car but Sutcliffe comes to the same conclusion almost all the time. If you re-watch some of his older reviews, he said pretty much the same thing about the 981 GTS.