RE: Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 | PH Review

[Gitwhoismiserable]

SidewaysSi said:

Would rather an Alpine over this VW. Some of the switchgear looks terrible.

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

Got to get that Alpine mention in on the first page, well done, how much does it cost to tick a manual box option on one of those?

[cayman-black]

Overpriced and overrated cars from Porsche.

I do feel bad for the owners who have this with the lawnmower four-pot though.

[flukey5]

Thales said:

flukey5 said:

Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....

- No cruise control
- No LED headlights
- No rain sensing wipers
- No reversing camera or even parking sensors
- Low end audio system is standard
- Any interesting colour will cost ££££
- Forget heated seats haha!!

Honestly, if it's on a £10k hatchback it should be standard on a £64k sports car (unless you're going for bare bones i.e. Lotus)

The cars in this review were easily 15k extra in options, probably 20k, and the worst part? None of these extras contribute to your guaranteed future value so are effectively instant depreciation.

I'm not interested in any of that. I am however interested in a 6 speed manual NA 4 litre Porsche.

My point is, none of these sell for anything close to the base RRP after options, I'm sure even you would spend at least a few ££££, and you don't see any return on investment on any of these.

Porsche is a premium sports car manufacturer, I expect some kind of basic features that are standard on things like a Honda jazz...

The "no I want a stripped out lightweight car" argument is a little hard to accept given the near 1500kg weight.

If you really want the raw experience with a manual 6-banger and no turbos then why not grab a Lotus Exige?

[anonymous-user]

Porsche could always charge £70k base and have some of those 'missing' features, or it let buyers have a choice.

Nobody buying a regular production car should expect it to be an investment. It's just a car!

[Prestonese]

SidewaysSi said:

Would rather an Alpine over this VW. Some of the switchgear looks terrible.

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

Are you reverse trolling? ;-)

[Prestonese]

Gitwhoismiserable said:

SidewaysSi said:

Would rather an Alpine over this VW. Some of the switchgear looks terrible.

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

Got to get that Alpine mention in on the first page, well done, how much does it cost to tick a manual box option on one of those?

Probably the same as it cost to tick the lightweight option on the Cayman?

Jesting aside, I think Sideways may be jesting.

And on a more serious note, as much as I think this car is a welcome addition for NASP and manual gearbox fans, I do wonder how many sub segments Porsche can pull off with the GTS as it is mightily close to a GT4 other than price and availability (it will be interesting to see how many GT4 orders will suddenly become available).

[saxy]

flukey5 said:

Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....

- No cruise control
- No LED headlights
- No rain sensing wipers
- No reversing camera or even parking sensors
- Low end audio system is standard
- Any interesting colour will cost ££££
- Forget heated seats haha!!

Honestly, if it's on a £10k hatchback it should be standard on a £64k sports car (unless you're going for bare bones i.e. Lotus)

The cars in this review were easily 15k extra in options, probably 20k, and the worst part? None of these extras contribute to your guaranteed future value so are effectively instant depreciation.

I thought 5he whole point of the GTS was that it had all the popular options you wanted...

[bcr5784]

saxy said:

I thought 5he whole point of the GTS was that it had all the popular options you wanted...

Apparently people want big wheels, sports chrono and extra bling. To be fair they do get PASM and PTV too.

Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 17th February 09:48

[TimoMak]

SidewaysSi said:

Would rather an Alpine over this VW. Some of the switchgear looks terrible.

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

again sideways proves he knows nothing about cars. Alpine are finished lol.

[nickfrog]

TimoMak said:

again sideways proves he knows nothing about cars. Alpine are finished lol.

Can't you try and make positive and constructive contributions rather than focus on your irrational issues with someone you don't know? Just PM him if you need to tell him something.

[Vocht]

Throwing some 918 carbon buckets in it still can't hide that ageing interior which was first seen in the 981 back in 2012.

Porsche definitely dropped a bk with 718 and this all seems too little too late. You can get a nice example of a 991 911 Targa GTS for not far off the price of a decent specced 718 GTS 4.0 nowadays.

[ate one too]

flukey5 said:

Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....

- No cruise control? Answer, use your right foot.
- No LED headlights? Answer, it still has headlights as standard.
- No rain sensing wipers? Answer, use your eyes to see rain landing on windscreen when driving.
- No reversing camera or even parking sensors? Answer, use your eyes (and ears).
- Low end audio system is standard? Answer, it has a flat six audio behind the seats.
- Any interesting colour will cost ££££? Answer, choose another colour.
- Forget heated seats haha!!? Answer, you don't need them, it has lovely, warm to the butt Alcantara as standard.

Edited by ate one too on Monday 17th February 13:32

[firebird350]

Thales said:

flukey5 said:

Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....

- No cruise control
- No LED headlights
- No rain sensing wipers
- No reversing camera or even parking sensors
- Low end audio system is standard
- Any interesting colour will cost ££££
- Forget heated seats haha!!

Honestly, if it's on a £10k hatchback it should be standard on a £64k sports car (unless you're going for bare bones i.e. Lotus)

The cars in this review were easily 15k extra in options, probably 20k, and the worst part? None of these extras contribute to your guaranteed future value so are effectively instant depreciation.

I'm not interested in any of that. I am however interested in a 6 speed manual NA 4 litre Porsche.

I agree with Thales on this. Also, I suspect the fact that this is a normally-aspirated, manual gearbox high-end performance machine will pay dividends in years to come (as we've seen with the rare manual gearbox Ferraris and others) so I wouldn't be worried too much about depreciation - especially over the long-term. We all know proper manual N/A performance cars have become a rare breed this days, so I think the advice would be to grab the opportunity while they're still around.

[cerb4.5lee]

Its a thumbs up from me and I can certainly appreciate a car that has a NA engine/RWD and a manual gearbox/LSD.

Credit to Porsche for bringing back a NA engine when they are very much a dying breed of engine.

You have a nice choice now and if you want a modern(small turbo engine/DCT/no LSD) performance car you have the Alpine A110. Then you have this Cayman/Boxster that takes an older school approach(bigger NA engine/manual/LSD). Everyone is happy.

[ghiblicup]

cerb4.5lee said:

Its a thumbs up from me and I can certainly appreciate a car that has a NA engine/RWD and a manual gearbox/LSD.

Credit to Porsche for bringing back a NA engine when they are very much a dying breed of engine.

You have a nice choice now and if you want a modern(small turbo engine/DCT/no LSD) performance car you have the Alpine A110. Then you have this Cayman/Boxster that takes an older school approach(bigger NA engine/manual/LSD). Everyone is happy.

+1

[Plate spinner]

SidewaysSi said:

Way over priced IMO. This is a £40k car max.

If Porsche can’t sell a single one without discounting to £40k, then I guess you’re right.




You’re not right btw

[PorkInsider]

SidewaysSi said:

This is a £40k car max.

Are you on glue?

[greenarrow]

nickfrog said:

TimoMak said:

again sideways proves he knows nothing about cars. Alpine are finished lol.

Can't you try and make positive and constructive contributions rather than focus on your irrational issues with someone you don't know? Just PM him if you need to tell him something.

I know, I've just been groaning inwardly at the prospect of yet another thread featuring either the Cayman or Alpine being derailed by an argument between the usual suspects and lo and behold Sideways, Gitwhoismiserable and Timomak took all of 2 pages to get involved in another war!!!

...Is it not possible to just appreciate these cars (by that I mean Cayman AND Alpine). They won't be around forever. Personally as a fan rather than potential owner I'm very happy to see the flat 6 back in a Cayman which isn't the GT4. Great job, Porsche.

[cypriot]

I hate to be the negative one here, but any review of these 718s without discussing the absurdly long gearing screams to me like a biased review. Yes, the chassis is great, brakes are great, steering is great, seating position is great.... this was all true of the turbo'd ones. Whilst we should celebrate the introduction of an NA engine back into these cars, I would expect any half decent car journalist to talk about the gearing issue and discuss what effect it has on the driving enjoyment - which is the whole point of putting an NA engine back in the first place.

[Plate spinner]

cypriot said:

I hate to be the negative one here, but any review of these 718s without discussing the absurdly long gearing screams to me like a biased review. Yes, the chassis is great, brakes are great, steering is great, seating position is great.... this was all true of the turbo'd ones. Whilst we should celebrate the introduction of an NA engine back into these cars, I would expect any half decent car journalist to talk about the gearing issue and discuss what effect it has on the driving enjoyment - which is the whole point of putting an NA engine back in the first place.

My old 986S has the same long gearing... I think rev limiter in 2nd is 80mph. Whilst it’s not ideal in the UK, it’s not as this Porsche flat-6 engines have nothing else to offer bar the top end.
I find that even using it between 3-5k rpm it’s still got a lot of charisma.
Plus when driving in Germany it makes sense.

But... I’d much prefer more tightly stacked 1-5 ratios with a tall cruising gear for motorways.