RE: Porsche 718 GTS 4.0 | PH Review
Discussion
rockin said:
av185 said:
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Whenever people say that I ask "what are the bonus value, no brainer options?" but I've never yet received an answer...robinandcamera said:
I’m not in Porsche circles so I dont know the latest, but I dod spot this company in the states that offer a shorter final drive that sounds like it would be perfect.
I cant get past 84mph in second, I just cant.
That always been rather odd hasn't it. Strange considering Porsche get everything else more or less spot on.I cant get past 84mph in second, I just cant.
Although the engine in this will sound great the much maligned turbo 4 in the prior 718 GTS can easily be tuned to 430bhp and 500+NM so would suit this gearing more, if you forget the quality / sonics aspect.
I think this GTS might cause a big price correction downwards for the 2.5 GTS in the future, which might mean you can pick up a bargain of those. Would be a great track day car if tuned like that, lightened exhaust etc.
If the sound is great but you have to be revving it out and at huge speeds I am guessing on the road you don't hear that lovelyness that much.
I think I am going to be in a huge minority here.
SidewaysSi said:
av185 said:
Of course options make a huge difference on the residual value of mosts cars especially higher end stuff like Porsches.
With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Exactly. I had about £14k worth of options on my 981 GT4. Resale wasn't an issue.With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:09
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:11
robinandcamera said:
I’m not in Porsche circles so I dont know the latest, but I did spot this company in the states that offer a shorter final drive that sounds like it would be perfect.
I cant get past second gear doesnt top out until 84mph in second, I just cant.
ruins the cars sadly such a shameI cant get past second gear doesnt top out until 84mph in second, I just cant.
Gandahar said:
robinandcamera said:
I’m not in Porsche circles so I dont know the latest, but I dod spot this company in the states that offer a shorter final drive that sounds like it would be perfect.
I cant get past 84mph in second, I just cant.
That always been rather odd hasn't it. Strange considering Porsche get everything else more or less spot on.I cant get past 84mph in second, I just cant.
Although the engine in this will sound great the much maligned turbo 4 in the prior 718 GTS can easily be tuned to 430bhp and 500+NM so would suit this gearing more, if you forget the quality / sonics aspect.
I think this GTS might cause a big price correction downwards for the 2.5 GTS in the future, which might mean you can pick up a bargain of those. Would be a great track day car if tuned like that, lightened exhaust etc.
If the sound is great but you have to be revving it out and at huge speeds I am guessing on the road you don't hear that lovelyness that much.
I think I am going to be in a huge minority here.
Those who don't see it as a problem are either driving at reckless speeds on the road, are using it primarily for track fun or are happy to not get full benefit of performance using their hard earned cash. None of these situations matches my criteria hence Porsche is a non starter regardless of the good bits (of which there are quite a few).
tGandahar said:
That always been rather odd hasn't it. Strange considering Porsche get everything else more or less spot on.
Although the engine in this will sound great the much maligned turbo 4 in the prior 718 GTS can easily be tuned to 430bhp and 500+NM so would suit this gearing more, if you forget the quality / sonics aspect.
I think this GTS might cause a big price correction downwards for the 2.5 GTS in the future, which might mean you can pick up a bargain of those. Would be a great track day car if tuned like that, lightened exhaust etc.
If the sound is great but you have to be revving it out and at huge speeds I am guessing on the road you don't hear that lovelyness that much.
I think I am going to be in a huge minority here.
The long gearing has always been an issue with manual Porsches, whether it be a Cayman/Booster, 911 or GT series car. We all know they are still fun to drive but would be so much more engaging on the road in every single country except specifically the German autobahn unrestricted sections, if 2nd topped out at 65 mph and 3rd topped out at 90 mph, rather than 2nd topping out near 85 mph and 3rd topping out at 115-120 mph. Although the engine in this will sound great the much maligned turbo 4 in the prior 718 GTS can easily be tuned to 430bhp and 500+NM so would suit this gearing more, if you forget the quality / sonics aspect.
I think this GTS might cause a big price correction downwards for the 2.5 GTS in the future, which might mean you can pick up a bargain of those. Would be a great track day car if tuned like that, lightened exhaust etc.
If the sound is great but you have to be revving it out and at huge speeds I am guessing on the road you don't hear that lovelyness that much.
I think I am going to be in a huge minority here.
To be fair, a lot of manual cars with high power do this. The Lotus Evora 400 goes to nearly 80mph in 2nd and nearly 110mph in 3rd. The Mustang GT UK spec goes to 82 mph in 2nd and about 118 mph in 3rd.
The Alpine A110 by contrast, although it is a DCT, is setup in the following way:
1st: 33 mph
2nd: 50 mph
3rd: 80 mph
4th: 105 mph
Superlightdaa said:
SidewaysSi said:
av185 said:
Of course options make a huge difference on the residual value of mosts cars especially higher end stuff like Porsches.
With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Exactly. I had about £14k worth of options on my 981 GT4. Resale wasn't an issue.With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:09
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:11
Heavier on fuel than the GT3 and many cars of much better performance.
Downside of a strangled detuned C2 S engine and a major flaw with the car despite being a lukewarm Porsche GT.
cerb4.5lee said:
Everyone is happy. 
Never! This is the internet! 
On a more serious note, I agree with your sentiment though...I really like it. It’s a bit annoying about some of the options but hasn’t that been the Porsche way for ages? Think ‘mine’ came out to about £76k when I had a play on the configurator.
robinandcamera said:
I’m not in Porsche circles so I dont know the latest, but I did spot this company in the states that offer a shorter final drive that sounds like it would be perfect.
Sharkwerks does it, but they strangely only change 3rd, 4th and 5th, as 1st and 2nd would be too expensive to change, or so they claim.Edited by robinandcamera on Monday 17th February 12:58
https://www.sharkwerks.com/transmission/p4727-shar...
Superlightdaa said:
SidewaysSi said:
av185 said:
Of course options make a huge difference on the residual value of mosts cars especially higher end stuff like Porsches.
With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Exactly. I had about £14k worth of options on my 981 GT4. Resale wasn't an issue.With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:09
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:11
Hugely comfortable on road, though personally I found it lack the visceral thrills I was after. Mine had the 918 seats and full CS bits but even so, it never felt hugely engaging. Though to be fair to it I also have a Caterham and Elise in the garage so they tended to be used more.
But as a sole car to use for everything from nipping to the shops and Euro hoons, they are great. Depends what you look for and what you want from a car to be honest. Just don't expect it to be hugely tactile.
One more thing, may need to be careful over speed bumps/ramps as there is no front axle lift.
flukey5 said:
Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....
The cars in this review were easily 15k extra in options, probably 20k, and the worst part? None of these extras contribute to your guaranteed future value so are effectively instant depreciation.
Then why have them in the first place - it's a sports car, not a family bus. Half the stuff in the daily Merc I don't use anyway (somehow using cruise seems to up my fuel consumption rather than adjust it downwards...) and that one was specced rather thoughtfully to begin with (no superfluous tech, no AMG tart up bits...)The cars in this review were easily 15k extra in options, probably 20k, and the worst part? None of these extras contribute to your guaranteed future value so are effectively instant depreciation.
I'd have the heated seats in a Boxster (or any drop top), mind...
Carl_Manchester said:
flukey5 said:
Seems like a good deal at ~64k but then you realise....
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...that the only alternative that will compete with said Cayman will be to go and spend £250k on a Ferrari F8.[/b]
This is the head-to-head that the Cayman 4.0L is heading for, weighted against practicality and value for money, the Cayman might actually beat it.
The depreciation on a 4.0L Cayman after 3 years will be glacial.
If the depreciation really is Glacial I would be interested in knowing the residuals on finance. As much of a critic as I am, I still do appreciate the car!
SidewaysSi said:
av185 said:
Of course options make a huge difference on the residual value of mosts cars especially higher end stuff like Porsches.
With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Exactly. I had about £14k worth of options on my 981 GT4. Resale wasn't an issue.With Porsche GTs options are crucial to value and saleability.
As ever there are a number of no brainer options which enhance the value of the car over and above the option cost.
Other options are a total waste and can often actually diminish the cars value.
Best advice depending on how long you intend keeping the car is always spec your Porsche for yourself but always have an eye on the market too.
Anyone who does otherwise is either a fool or likes depreciation.
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:09
Edited by av185 on Monday 17th February 12:11
flukey5 said:
I'm sure you could pick up a good Lotus Exige for this money or a brand new Nissan GTR, Maybe even an Evora at the same price as the car with options. I'm pretty sure the Evora competes pretty well at that price, I've seen brand new ones for £75k
I love both of those types of car but they are different propositions and won't get near the all round package of the Porsche, especially the Boxster. No front boot on the Evora 410 but the engine does sound superb.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff