RE: Lotus Evora Sport 410 | Spotted
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p_k_n said:
Odd that, I couldn't countenance a Porsche in yellow - but I've had 2 (new) yellow(ish) Loti and a Caterham in yellow. If I was buying an Evora I'd definitely go for yellow or orange. I have a blue Alpine - and a Ferrari really ought to be red. And I regard myself as logical... 
Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 24th February 19:40
fridaypassion said:
The clutch thing is a bit of a shame with the Evora it is a 3k job ...
As a bit of context on this, for a 997 GT3 clutch change the engine and gearbox have to be dropped; I assume a 997 Carrera is the same. A respected indie quotes just under £2k for clutch and seals for the GT3 but from memory I'm pretty sure the previous owner of my car was charged £3k by a Porsche dealer for a clutch change. Mileage was at about 50k with no track miles.The cost of changing an Evora's clutch is expensive but I wouldn't say it's anything crazy for an expensive mid-engined sports car. It certainly does not put me off owning an Evora one day. The people complaining about the costs on here clearly don't know much about 911 running costs...
Clutch replacements are rarely a "quick and easy" job on any mid-engine car. The catch is that the more power/torque you've got the easier it is to wear the clutch - and it tends to be powerful cars that go mid-engine.
With modern automatics and computer control of the entire engine/driveline I expect manufacturers achieve greater overall reliability by not offering a manual version. It also avoids having to engineer a convoluted manual gear linkage which is always awkward. The latest mid-engine Corvette falls right in this category, being the first Corvette in nearly 70 years without a manual option.
Although the classifieds contain a number of "IPS" Evoras we don't seem to hear much about how the driving experience works out.
With modern automatics and computer control of the entire engine/driveline I expect manufacturers achieve greater overall reliability by not offering a manual version. It also avoids having to engineer a convoluted manual gear linkage which is always awkward. The latest mid-engine Corvette falls right in this category, being the first Corvette in nearly 70 years without a manual option.
Although the classifieds contain a number of "IPS" Evoras we don't seem to hear much about how the driving experience works out.
rockin said:
Clutch replacements are rarely a "quick and easy" job on any mid-engine car. The catch is that the more power/torque you've got the easier it is to wear the clutch - and it tends to be powerful cars that go mid-engine.
With modern automatics and computer control of the entire engine/driveline I expect manufacturers achieve greater overall reliability by not offering a manual version. It also avoids having to engineer a convoluted manual gear linkage which is always awkward. The latest mid-engine Corvette falls right in this category, being the first Corvette in nearly 70 years without a manual option.
Although the classifieds contain a number of "IPS" Evoras we don't seem to hear much about how the driving experience works out.
I have an IPS, I previously had a manual. I like both equally. With modern automatics and computer control of the entire engine/driveline I expect manufacturers achieve greater overall reliability by not offering a manual version. It also avoids having to engineer a convoluted manual gear linkage which is always awkward. The latest mid-engine Corvette falls right in this category, being the first Corvette in nearly 70 years without a manual option.
Although the classifieds contain a number of "IPS" Evoras we don't seem to hear much about how the driving experience works out.
braddo said:
As a bit of context on this, for a 997 GT3 clutch change the engine and gearbox have to be dropped; I assume a 997 Carrera is the same. A respected indie quotes just under £2k for clutch and seals for the GT3 but from memory I'm pretty sure the previous owner of my car was charged £3k by a Porsche dealer for a clutch change. Mileage was at about 50k with no track miles.
The cost of changing an Evora's clutch is expensive but I wouldn't say it's anything crazy for an expensive mid-engined sports car. It certainly does not put me off owning an Evora one day. The people complaining about the costs on here clearly don't know much about 911 running costs...
Agree completely. Evoras along with Porsche are what I classify as "big boys toys" as in you can expect some reasonable bills at certain times. The reason I said it's a shame with the Evora is that the clutch is kind of the biggest bill you are likely to see and exactly what you are saying in the respect of a car of it's type it isn't bad. If you want the engine in the back thats the sacrifice that has to be made. Especially when its not an engine designed for the car like it is in a Porshce. The cost of changing an Evora's clutch is expensive but I wouldn't say it's anything crazy for an expensive mid-engined sports car. It certainly does not put me off owning an Evora one day. The people complaining about the costs on here clearly don't know much about 911 running costs...
bcr5784 said:
fridaypassion said:
. Especially when its not an engine designed for the car like it is in a Porshce.
I can see some people being sniffy about the origins of the engine - but, frankly, I prefer it to the one in my 981S. Nicer midrange and really lovely noise. Heresy I know....Some of the most sought after supercars and hyper cars in the world use engines designed for something else
owning a TVR Tuscan was an object lesson in the risks of owning a performance car with a bespoke low volume engine
blueg33 said:
bcr5784 said:
fridaypassion said:
. Especially when its not an engine designed for the car like it is in a Porshce.
I can see some people being sniffy about the origins of the engine - but, frankly, I prefer it to the one in my 981S. Nicer midrange and really lovely noise. Heresy I know....Some of the most sought after supercars and hyper cars in the world use engines designed for something else
owning a TVR Tuscan was an object lesson in the risks of owning a performance car with a bespoke low volume engine
Cold said:
Yep, and given the somewhat patchy history of their longevity, I'm not sure citing Porsche as an example of a manufacturer supplying their own engines is a particularly good one.
What? Porsche have a rich history of supplying real reliab....oh no wait they are powered by marketing alone 
Cold said:
Yep, and given the somewhat patchy history of their longevity, I'm not sure citing Porsche as an example of a manufacturer supplying their own engines is a particularly good one.
They have done some lovely engines IMO, but let themselves down pretty badly with the 996-997 era. Those engines drive nicely, but its hard to escape the time bomb factor.But Porsche, Lotus etc could if they wanted design their engines properly and warrant them properly. My rebuilt TVR engine had a 100k mile warranty generated almost 400bhp from normally aspirated 3.6 litres and came back from TVR Power with the message - "Drive it like you stole it"
If TVR Power can offer that sort of Warranty, every major manufacturer could.
rockin said:
Although the classifieds contain a number of "IPS" Evoras we don't seem to hear much about how the driving experience works out.
My wife's Evora 400 is an IPS version. Its good for the commute and the manual mode works well when you're having fun. I do get slightly frustrated with its indecision when you are coasting to a junction and then decide to apply power. It can also struggle to decide what gear is best at low speeds when its cold too. Other than that though, the IPS is quite good. Sounds reasonably positive for IPS. For my own part I tend to prefer torque converter automatics over slightly jerky twin-clutch devices in any event. I guess the reality is autos are getting better all the time.
At least Lotus and some others still offer a manual option for those who want it.
At least Lotus and some others still offer a manual option for those who want it.
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