Angry Passat Man...
Discussion
PorkInsider said:
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
Being one of the most common vans doesn't make it suitable for the road. That's not a valid point.
If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
Do you know the road in question?If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
It's a 'proper' road, not some single lane track or suchlike. There are HGVs up and down it, cars with caravans, boats on trailers down to Torside a few hundred metres from the junction, etc, etc.
If you think a Transit isn't suitable for that road I think you'd be very surprised at the road layouts, general topography and hazards up here in the wilds of The North!
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
Being one of the most common vans doesn't make it suitable for the road. That's not a valid point.
If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
Seriously? Is that some kind of argument? Sounds like my Dad talking to me 40 years ago. If you hate to be silly, why do it?If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 19th February 15:50
popeyewhite said:
I know the road in question, very well. Visibility is extremely poor for a car pulling out, add to that the restricted visibilty of a van it would be downright dangerous. Not the OP's fault - but he'll know next time.
He'll know to do what next time? Pull out blind?The people on this forum do exasperate me some times.
OP. You are now no longer allowed to use that junction or, if you do, just wing it and pray no one is coming from the left.
In the real world, we all have to accomodate each other and give and take. We need vans on the road for people to ply their trades, or nothing gets done. We can't all stick to A roads and above. Same with lorries. The roads are not just for cars and bikes. Share them.
I think this sort of junction would have been extended long ago so the last minute 90 turn wasn't so last minute and there was 20-30 yards of perpendicular road for vans etc to be waiting in.......but the fact there is a reservoir right where such an extension would need to be means they can't?
uncleluck said:
Trouble is some people are only interested in their own little world and anything out of their ordinary must be wrong or worth getting angry about.
I’ve even had people overtake me when turning right on a mini roundabout in my van before just because you need to follow a more deliberate route around!
Could you use the description of only being interested in your own little world if you take a route that causes you to place other road users at higher risk?I’ve even had people overtake me when turning right on a mini roundabout in my van before just because you need to follow a more deliberate route around!
I can see both parties perspective (but the Passat driver certainly shouldn't have reacted the way he did).
As I read it Surveyor was stationary on the side road before angry passat man arrived. If APM was travelling at a safe speed (that at which he could stop in the distance he could see) then nobody was placed in any danger.
If, however, APM planned on exiting the main road at the speed he was travelling on the main road then that was foolish and he was fortunate HE didn't cause an accident.
I don't see how this can be such a big issue. As a poster said above roads that were fine for horses are not always so great with vehicles and we just have to make allowances for that. If it means I wait 30 seconds for a lorry to negotiate a roundabout and hold back rather than "nip up the inside" then so what.
If, however, APM planned on exiting the main road at the speed he was travelling on the main road then that was foolish and he was fortunate HE didn't cause an accident.
I don't see how this can be such a big issue. As a poster said above roads that were fine for horses are not always so great with vehicles and we just have to make allowances for that. If it means I wait 30 seconds for a lorry to negotiate a roundabout and hold back rather than "nip up the inside" then so what.
Miserablegit said:
As I read it Surveyor was stationary on the side road before angry passat man arrived. If APM was travelling at a safe speed (that at which he could stop in the distance he could see) then nobody was placed in any danger.
I wouldn't want to be forced to sit stationary on the main road, partially on the main road, or even just into the B-road due to the approach angle from the main road and the likelihood of someone arriving at speed. I've no idea if this is what bothered APM or not. But I do see an argument that this is an unfair position to put someone else into.
RogerDodger said:
popeyewhite said:
I know the road in question, very well. Visibility is extremely poor for a car pulling out, add to that the restricted visibilty of a van it would be downright dangerous. Not the OP's fault - but he'll know next time.
He'll know to do what next time? Pull out blind?Miserablegit said:
As I read it Surveyor was stationary on the side road before angry passat man arrived. If APM was travelling at a safe speed (that at which he could stop in the distance he could see) then nobody was placed in any danger.
Honestly, save your speculation it's a swine of a junction, I've seen near accidents there countless times. Mirrors might help, but I doubt they would last long.
k off.Large vehicle having to take a roundabout or corner wide, yet someone tries to go up the inside anyway? Angry passat man.
Not moving away on a green because of a box junction being blocked on the other side of the lights and hear honking behind you? Angry passat man.
Slow down to look for a door number and hear a constant horn as someone then drives round you at 80 mph in a 30? Angry passat man.
Turn left or right into a road but have to stop halfway due to oncoming / emerging traffic and receive honking and gestures of "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" Angry passat man.
Dare to help someone out of a driveway or junction more than twice in five years and someone behind abuses you for doing so? Angry passat man.
Sitting at a green temporary light because five people have jumped the red at the other end? Angry passat men.
The list is endless to be honest....
Not moving away on a green because of a box junction being blocked on the other side of the lights and hear honking behind you? Angry passat man.
Slow down to look for a door number and hear a constant horn as someone then drives round you at 80 mph in a 30? Angry passat man.
Turn left or right into a road but have to stop halfway due to oncoming / emerging traffic and receive honking and gestures of "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" Angry passat man.
Dare to help someone out of a driveway or junction more than twice in five years and someone behind abuses you for doing so? Angry passat man.
Sitting at a green temporary light because five people have jumped the red at the other end? Angry passat men.
The list is endless to be honest....
Wacky Racer said:
Passat man was a dick.
However, I travel along that B road a lot, and providing you get the angle right, you should be able to see cars travelling towards Sheffield in your passenger door mirror, especially if it is adjustable electronically..
You certainly have done nothing wrong.
....other than blocking traffic from the right that might be swinging off at speed onto the B road that he's trying to exit.....However, I travel along that B road a lot, and providing you get the angle right, you should be able to see cars travelling towards Sheffield in your passenger door mirror, especially if it is adjustable electronically..
You certainly have done nothing wrong.
OddCat said:
Wacky Racer said:
Passat man was a dick.
However, I travel along that B road a lot, and providing you get the angle right, you should be able to see cars travelling towards Sheffield in your passenger door mirror, especially if it is adjustable electronically..
You certainly have done nothing wrong.
....other than blocking traffic from the right that might be swinging off at speed onto the B road that he's trying to exit.....However, I travel along that B road a lot, and providing you get the angle right, you should be able to see cars travelling towards Sheffield in your passenger door mirror, especially if it is adjustable electronically..
You certainly have done nothing wrong.
You would certainly be on the "wrong side" if you swung over to the right and then left, a car coming from Sheffield, turning off to Glossop could hit you side on.
But yes, it is a bad junction.
- unless he was local!Wacky Racer said:
There is no need to cross over the halfway line onto the "wrong" side of the road if you use your driver's door mirror.
Eh? Wacky Racer said:
You would certainly be on the "wrong side" if you swung over to the right and then left, a car coming from Sheffield, turning off to Glossop could hit you side on.
....which is exactly what the OP did...LeoSayer said:
How would insurance / court have viewed this if Passat man had crashed into you? He would have had to cross dotted white (give way?) lines to crash into you.
Passat man at 100% fault if OP is stationary, if visibility is good, you can't just drive into other vehicles because they're in your way.What if it had been a broken down vehicle, or a crash at the junction?
I wonder how passat man reacts to illegally parked cars that impede his progress for a few seconds or so, probably no real reaction as there's no human in the car.
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