Angry Passat Man...
Discussion
Digby said:
Large vehicle having to take a roundabout or corner wide, yet someone tries to go up the inside anyway? Angry passat man.
Not moving away on a green because of a box junction being blocked on the other side of the lights and hear honking behind you? Angry passat man.
Slow down to look for a door number and hear a constant horn as someone then drives round you at 80 mph in a 30? Angry passat man.
Turn left or right into a road but have to stop halfway due to oncoming / emerging traffic and receive honking and gestures of "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" Angry passat man.
Dare to help someone out of a driveway or junction more than twice in five years and someone behind abuses you for doing so? Angry passat man.
Sitting at a green temporary light because five people have jumped the red at the other end? Angry passat men.
The list is endless to be honest....
He picked a few lads up on his drive, where was he taking them? Not moving away on a green because of a box junction being blocked on the other side of the lights and hear honking behind you? Angry passat man.
Slow down to look for a door number and hear a constant horn as someone then drives round you at 80 mph in a 30? Angry passat man.
Turn left or right into a road but have to stop halfway due to oncoming / emerging traffic and receive honking and gestures of "WTF ARE YOU DOING?" Angry passat man.
Dare to help someone out of a driveway or junction more than twice in five years and someone behind abuses you for doing so? Angry passat man.
Sitting at a green temporary light because five people have jumped the red at the other end? Angry passat men.
The list is endless to be honest....
surveyor said:
So.
A
I did the right thing
Or
B I should have used the mirror which was pointing in the wrong direction
Or
C pulled out and hoped for the best
Or
D gone another way
Cheers PH... most options covered.
Just have to be very cautious. I'm over to Sheffield that way tomorrow, got a co-driver though!A
I did the right thingOr
B
I should have used the mirror which was pointing in the wrong direction Or
C
pulled out and hoped for the bestOr
D
gone another way Cheers PH... most options covered.
pills said:
I've emailed Highways to ask about mirrors for both that junction and the holme junction (A6024), my view (pardon the pun) is that if you don't ask you don't get. Perhaps a few other regular uses of these roads could do the same?
Area7enquiries@highwaysengland.co.uk
You want Area 12 for those junctions.Area7enquiries@highwaysengland.co.uk
OddCat said:
LeoSayer said:
How would insurance / court have viewed this if Passat man had crashed into you? He would have had to cross dotted white (give way?) lines to crash into you.
Christ on a bike. There are still people on here who don't realise Angry Passat Man was exiting the A road.... 
It's not rocket science ffs!
(I have exited from this junction hundreds of times, of course it would be a nightmare if the OP was doing a sharp left westwards)
Wacky Racer said:
If the OP had been in the position of the car travelling east towards Sheffield in the THIRD PHOTOGRAPH and used his ELECTRONIC PASSENGER DOOR MIRROR to look backwards towards Tintwistle down the main road, angry Passat man would have been able to fork left at speed towards Glossop without let or hinderence
It's not rocket science ffs!
(I have exited from this junction hundreds of times, of course it would be a nightmare if the OP was doing a sharp left westwards)
I think you and I are in agreement that the OP was out of order - but we seem to be in the minority ! It's not rocket science ffs!
(I have exited from this junction hundreds of times, of course it would be a nightmare if the OP was doing a sharp left westwards)
The two issues, firstly the OPs action, and secondly the degree to which the Angry Passat Man had a right to be annoyed, have been blurred.
Miserablegit said:
Thank goodness both of you are in the minority.
To approach a junction like this any other way, where there is a massive blind spot in the vehicle, is dangerous. Mirrors do not give an adequate view
Providing the car is lined up correctly, you SHOULD be able to see behind you for cars heading towards Sheffield on the main A road. If for any reason because of the size or shape of your vehicle you can't get a 100% clear view you would have no option but to do what the OP did, otherwise you would be pulling out blindly.To approach a junction like this any other way, where there is a massive blind spot in the vehicle, is dangerous. Mirrors do not give an adequate view
Therefore angry Passat man would just have to slow down and delay his journey by five seconds.
OddCat said:
Wacky Racer said:
If the OP had been in the position of the car travelling east towards Sheffield in the THIRD PHOTOGRAPH and used his ELECTRONIC PASSENGER DOOR MIRROR to look backwards towards Tintwistle down the main road, angry Passat man would have been able to fork left at speed towards Glossop without let or hinderence
It's not rocket science ffs!
(I have exited from this junction hundreds of times, of course it would be a nightmare if the OP was doing a sharp left westwards)
I think you and I are in agreement that the OP was out of order - but we seem to be in the minority ! It's not rocket science ffs!
(I have exited from this junction hundreds of times, of course it would be a nightmare if the OP was doing a sharp left westwards)
The two issues, firstly the OPs action, and secondly the degree to which the Angry Passat Man had a right to be annoyed, have been blurred.
Even if you could position to use the mirrors (or they're electrically adjustable) it's extremely dodgy to rely on mirrors alone.
The OP did exaclty the right thing in positioning his vehicle to get a better view. Passat man had no right to be annoyed to any extent.
He (Passat man) would need to be careful where he stopped though - if he started to drive down the minor road and got tucked out of sight then there's a danger he could be rear ended, so perhaps it was his own error which made him so angry.
I drive a LWB van with no rear windows and indeed a passatt!!
No need for his rage response but I can see why it may have been dangerous, him left sticking out into a 60mph or whatever road, because you are blocking his way. Its difficult, but when I need to do similar, I try to get a look at what's going on from the left as I drive up, a feel for how busy it is. If it seems busy I would have held short to try to look for a potential gap from my left, in the mirror, allowing unencumbered access to oncoming turners, when see a suitable possible gap, check clear for ongoing and then make the manouver. It may still backfire and not work out, but limits that risk.
Its a ball ache in a big van, I have had to remove seatbelt, get up and look out the pass window make sure there's huge space and jump back in seat and go out blind before, horrible feeling.
No need for his rage response but I can see why it may have been dangerous, him left sticking out into a 60mph or whatever road, because you are blocking his way. Its difficult, but when I need to do similar, I try to get a look at what's going on from the left as I drive up, a feel for how busy it is. If it seems busy I would have held short to try to look for a potential gap from my left, in the mirror, allowing unencumbered access to oncoming turners, when see a suitable possible gap, check clear for ongoing and then make the manouver. It may still backfire and not work out, but limits that risk.
Its a ball ache in a big van, I have had to remove seatbelt, get up and look out the pass window make sure there's huge space and jump back in seat and go out blind before, horrible feeling.
Miserablegit said:
Thank goodness both of you are in the minority.
To approach a junction like this any other way, where there is a massive blind spot in the vehicle, is dangerous. Mirrors do not give an adequate view
I’ve read the thread, know the junction and I agree with this totally.To approach a junction like this any other way, where there is a massive blind spot in the vehicle, is dangerous. Mirrors do not give an adequate view
There are enough slow and crap drivers on the road who are hugely frustrating and cost a lot of time to follow. Adding a few seconds to wait for a guy in a vehicle with restricted vision to negotiate a badly designed junction is really not going to make any difference. Passat man was wrong.
Julian Thompson said:
Adding a few seconds to wait for a guy in a vehicle with restricted vision to negotiate a badly designed junction is really not going to make any difference. Passat man was wrong.
Why is Passat Man to blame for the failings of the OP's vehicle?Change the scenario from crew-cab Transit to an estate with a pair of mattresses stuck in the back. "Yes your Honour, I was unable to see clearly in my nearside rear quarter due to my load so I obstructed the oncoming lane to see better." == Guilty as Charged
Don't put other road users in danger due to your choices.
FA57REN said:
Julian Thompson said:
Adding a few seconds to wait for a guy in a vehicle with restricted vision to negotiate a badly designed junction is really not going to make any difference. Passat man was wrong.
Why is Passat Man to blame for the failings of the OP's vehicle?Change the scenario from crew-cab Transit to an estate with a pair of mattresses stuck in the back. "Yes your Honour, I was unable to see clearly in my nearside rear quarter due to my load so I obstructed the oncoming lane to see better." == Guilty as Charged
Don't put other road users in danger due to your choices.
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