Angry Passat Man...

[njw1]

FA57REN said:

Why is Passat Man to blame for the failings of the OP's vehicle?

Change the scenario from crew-cab Transit to an estate with a pair of mattresses stuck in the back. "Yes your Honour, I was unable to see clearly in my nearside rear quarter due to my load so I obstructed the oncoming lane to see better." == Guilty as Charged

Don't put other road users in danger due to your choices.

So what do you suggest the OP should have done then?

[WarrenB]

FA57REN said:

Julian Thompson said:

Adding a few seconds to wait for a guy in a vehicle with restricted vision to negotiate a badly designed junction is really not going to make any difference. Passat man was wrong.

Why is Passat Man to blame for the failings of the OP's vehicle?

Change the scenario from crew-cab Transit to an estate with a pair of mattresses stuck in the back. "Yes your Honour, I was unable to see clearly in my nearside rear quarter due to my load so I obstructed the oncoming lane to see better." == Guilty as Charged

Don't put other road users in danger due to your choices.

What a strange thing to say. So should the OP have chosen a different career path so he wouldn't need to own a Transit so this whole situation would never have happened?

There's a road with a similar layout that I sometimes use...

https://goo.gl/maps/pV4cGmwk9ATCnhGW7

Like you I drive a Transit and take the same approach when trying to pull out. In my case it's probably easier as I can see oncoming traffic so I can wait for a gap before getting as close to the right as I can before turning to a 90 degree angle, plus it's a slower road. Only issue I've had in years is a scruffy mummy in a Vauxhall Mokka with a vape glued to her hand going apoplectic because I 'cut her off' as she tried to go down my left as I was keeping right...

[Miserablegit]

The fkwittery on PH never ceases to amaze me.

So what we really need is space for a car dealership at that corner. Anyone wanting to join the main road can recognise their poor choice of vehicle and trade the transit van in for a Passat thereby enabling them to make the turn without inconveniencing other road users. Can’t believe I didn’t think of this earlier...

[Hungrymc]

surveyor said:

FA57REN said:

Julian Thompson said:

Adding a few seconds to wait for a guy in a vehicle with restricted vision to negotiate a badly designed junction is really not going to make any difference. Passat man was wrong.

Why is Passat Man to blame for the failings of the OP's vehicle?

Change the scenario from crew-cab Transit to an estate with a pair of mattresses stuck in the back. "Yes your Honour, I was unable to see clearly in my nearside rear quarter due to my load so I obstructed the oncoming lane to see better." == Guilty as Charged

Don't put other road users in danger due to your choices.

He was not in danger. He was off the main road.

Looking at the layout, having to stop in a place where people won’t expect a stationary vehicle. I’d say that has the potential to be dangerous as it’s not unlikely that some drivers will try and take that left carrying too much speed, but off course we don’t know if that’s why APM was angry or if he was just annoyed at being inconvenienced....and either way, there’s no point being angry and road ragey.

Without knowing the area and knowing if there is a reasonable alternative, I wouldn’t rule out trying to use a different route in a vehicle with poor visibility.

[PorkInsider]

poo at Paul's said:

I drive a LWB van with no rear windows and indeed a passatt!!

No need for his rage response but I can see why it may have been dangerous, him left sticking out into a 60mph or whatever road, because you are blocking his way. Its difficult, but when I need to do similar, I try to get a look at what's going on from the left as I drive up, a feel for how busy it is. If it seems busy I would have held short to try to look for a potential gap from my left, in the mirror, allowing unencumbered access to oncoming turners, when see a suitable possible gap, check clear for ongoing and then make the manouver. It may still backfire and not work out, but limits that risk.
Its a ball ache in a big van, I have had to remove seatbelt, get up and look out the pass window make sure there's huge space and jump back in seat and go out blind before, horrible feeling.

Some good ideas but looking left as you approach that junction would only be useful if you wanted to admire the solid stone wall as you come up the hill to it, unfortunately.

And when you do get to the junction, you have to see a gap and go immediately, not climb back over to the driver's seat, as there's limited visibility due to the bend in the road. You only have a few seconds of visibility in reality.

All in all it's a really crap bit of road, to be honest, and I'm always very cautious around those couple of junctions. There's a limit to what you can do to make it safer when trying to emerge.

[surveyor]

PorkInsider said:

poo at Paul's said:

I drive a LWB van with no rear windows and indeed a passatt!!

No need for his rage response but I can see why it may have been dangerous, him left sticking out into a 60mph or whatever road, because you are blocking his way. Its difficult, but when I need to do similar, I try to get a look at what's going on from the left as I drive up, a feel for how busy it is. If it seems busy I would have held short to try to look for a potential gap from my left, in the mirror, allowing unencumbered access to oncoming turners, when see a suitable possible gap, check clear for ongoing and then make the manouver. It may still backfire and not work out, but limits that risk.
Its a ball ache in a big van, I have had to remove seatbelt, get up and look out the pass window make sure there's huge space and jump back in seat and go out blind before, horrible feeling.

Some good ideas but looking left as you approach that junction would only be useful if you wanted to admire the solid stone wall as you come up the hill to it, unfortunately.

And when you do get to the junction, you have to see a gap and go immediately, not climb back over to the driver's seat, as there's limited visibility due to the bend in the road. You only have a few seconds of visibility in reality.

All in all it's a really crap bit of road, to be honest, and I'm always very cautious around those couple of junctions. There's a limit to what you can do to make it safer when trying to emerge.

That van is doing the same as what I ddI. Mine is a little longer hence my rear end overhanging the lane.

[vikingaero]

surveyor said:

PorkInsider said:

poo at Paul's said:

I drive a LWB van with no rear windows and indeed a passatt!!

No need for his rage response but I can see why it may have been dangerous, him left sticking out into a 60mph or whatever road, because you are blocking his way. Its difficult, but when I need to do similar, I try to get a look at what's going on from the left as I drive up, a feel for how busy it is. If it seems busy I would have held short to try to look for a potential gap from my left, in the mirror, allowing unencumbered access to oncoming turners, when see a suitable possible gap, check clear for ongoing and then make the manouver. It may still backfire and not work out, but limits that risk.
Its a ball ache in a big van, I have had to remove seatbelt, get up and look out the pass window make sure there's huge space and jump back in seat and go out blind before, horrible feeling.

Some good ideas but looking left as you approach that junction would only be useful if you wanted to admire the solid stone wall as you come up the hill to it, unfortunately.

And when you do get to the junction, you have to see a gap and go immediately, not climb back over to the driver's seat, as there's limited visibility due to the bend in the road. You only have a few seconds of visibility in reality.

All in all it's a really crap bit of road, to be honest, and I'm always very cautious around those couple of junctions. There's a limit to what you can do to make it safer when trying to emerge.

That van is doing the same as what I ddI. Mine is a little longer hence my rear end overhanging the lane.

Amazing that people haven't heard of respect and consideration. When I see a panel van at junctions like that, I'll go out of my way to help them and flash them out.

[Digby]

surveyor said:

That van is doing the same as what I ddI. Mine is a little longer hence my rear end overhanging the lane.

Trust me, you did nothing wrong. I wouldn't even bother trying to explain myself any longer.

You unfortunately either just have to accept that these types of clueless people exist and put up with them, or, if you prefer, get as angry as they do when you meet them out on the road and tell them to fk off. Anything beyond that is the epitome of futility.

They don't want to be educated; they either want to be angry, or defend their laughable and pointless alternatives. Nothing you can say will change their minds or they way they react.

[wack]

Osinjak said:

Today I'm out and about on a well known road near me that merges into one after a set of lights. I'm marginally ahead of the car on my left so accelerate to create some space to merge and the throbber speeds up to stop me from 'pushing in.' He stays with me and in the end I just indicate and pull over regardless with the predictable leaning on the horn and all the rest of it. You created the problem mate, deal with it. Honestly, people are just wkers just like the one you met today.

I have the same , right turn off a 40mph in town dual carriageway , it was a one lane sliproad but they made it into two as cars were backing up onto the dual carriageway at busy times.

Only now most chose the left lane as the right has to merge just round the bend , if everybody drives normally the larger arc of the LH lane would lead to a natural zip merge only some utter morons can't see it and close the gap

All of the merge after the lights junctions are designed to get more cars through on green

[deadtom]

OP, as someone who has driven panel vans before and also knows that particular junction, I can report that I would have done the exact same thing as you, and that the Passat moron, is in fact, a moron.

[popeyewhite]

vikingaero said:

Amazing that people haven't heard of respect and consideration. When I see a panel van at junctions like that, I'll go out of my way to help them and flash them out.

Really? You'd slow down, and you'd slow the trafic behind you, on a derestricted road to let another car out? Doesn't the HC advise against that?

[Digby]

popeyewhite said:

vikingaero said:

Amazing that people haven't heard of respect and consideration. When I see a panel van at junctions like that, I'll go out of my way to help them and flash them out.

Really? You'd slow down, and you'd slow the trafic behind you, on a derestricted road to let another car out? Doesn't the HC advise against that?

Not going to cause any real issues there, is it? A slow section, single lanes etc.

In fact, the only people who would be worried or angry would probably be passat drivers.

For everyone else, it wouldn't even register as an event.

[Weekendrebuild]

Let’s be honest he’s probably just angry his life’s panned out so bad he drives a Passat
Much rather have the tranborghini .

[Julian Thompson]

popeyewhite said:

vikingaero said:

Amazing that people haven't heard of respect and consideration. When I see a panel van at junctions like that, I'll go out of my way to help them and flash them out.

Really? You'd slow down, and you'd slow the trafic behind you, on a derestricted road to let another car out? Doesn't the HC advise against that?

Slow down? Slow the traffic down? You’re actually joking aren’t you? The general public drive so unbelievably slowly that slowing down to let a car out of a junction is really going to make NO difference. Hell, most drivers almost STOP as they turn into a side road even when there is no guy in a transit struggling to get out.

I wish you were right and we were all bombing along speedily around the snake pass, but the reality is sadly a long way from that.