Angry Passat Man...
Discussion
Stella Tortoise said:
Scootersp said:
Stella Tortoise said:
Wouldn't it be better all around if you just fitted an extra mirror so that you wouldn't feel that you have no option but to block the road?
Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
I would suggest if all vans had a mirror setup to try and give a good view of the traffic from the left, it would result in more and worse accidents than the times a passat guy situation caused him to slow down/stop briefly? looking at the picture Passat man could clear the main road, if another person comes up from behind wanting to go the same way then they may have to stay on the main road, so as long as everyone is paying attention the worse that can happen is the main road traffic comes to a stop, once that happens then it's likely the queue will gesture to the van guy he can creep out (no on eis going anywhere if they don't!) and then it's also more likely the traffic from the left will slow and let him out? Passat man could have had 14 eyes but you would have still have left him in a dangerous position, should he have gone straight on to make life easier for you?
The passat guy got enraged but didn't hit the van and I think you'd have to be very distracted to hit it. The use of a mirror(s) (and it wouldn't be a particularly easy mirror(s) to setup) to pull out onto a main road with all that entails is a far greater risk.
Does that clarify?
surveyor said:
DoubleD said:
Its a shame with things like this that we only get one side of the story. Unless the other guy is also on PH
I'd welcome his view. He went 0 - shouting and gesticulating in ten seconds.DoubleD said:
surveyor said:
DoubleD said:
Its a shame with things like this that we only get one side of the story. Unless the other guy is also on PH
I'd welcome his view. He went 0 - shouting and gesticulating in ten seconds.Other than that I can't see there's much room for ambiguity?
Scootersp said:
DoubleD said:
surveyor said:
DoubleD said:
Its a shame with things like this that we only get one side of the story. Unless the other guy is also on PH
I'd welcome his view. He went 0 - shouting and gesticulating in ten seconds.Other than that I can't see there's much room for ambiguity?
It’s not great to hear that other drivers should either know that transits have poor visibility and/or that they should know that this junction is tricky because that panders to the few that know these things.
For the record Passat man sounds like a t
t for speeding up.
It reminds me of being lost in a new town and trying to change Lane with locals being tttish about it.
For the record Passat man sounds like a t
t for speeding up.It reminds me of being lost in a new town and trying to change Lane with locals being t
ttish about it.Edited by Stella Tortoise on Wednesday 19th February 14:27
Stella Tortoise said:
It’s not great to hear that other drivers should either know that transits have poor visibility and/or that they should know that this junction is tricky because that panders to the few that know these things.
For the record Passat man sounds like a tt.
hey you don't know, what you don't know that's fair enough but, it's not great to hear that people get so angry before considering what might be the cause of something.For the record Passat man sounds like a t
t.Have you never seen a man in a van getting out of a junction leaning right over the steering wheel to get line of sight through the last possible bit of passenger window? Lots of builders etc vans are more than one up and it's the passenger then that becomes the drives eyes to say if its clear or not.
surveyor said:
I'm alright Jack, so is Passat man (He had to wait 20-30 seconds), and so is the car that I did not crash into coming from the left.
Is it possible that from his perspective, in you making your maneuver safer, you've caused him to have to stop and wait in a fairly precarious position on or just off a pretty quick road? As you say, it was OK, no harm done, but he may have felt you've put him in a difficult spot?
This doesn't make his reaction OK, far from it. But I do think it pays in these situations to try and take a balanced view of why other drivers might be frustrated.
surveyor said:
Stella Tortoise said:
How are the many millions of drivers who either haven't read this thread or driven a Transit meant to know about this road blocking feature?
Perhaps there should be a government warning.
Perhaps there should be a government warning.
We don’t appear by magic. Opening ones eyes gives a clue.
surveyor said:
Are you Passat man? My options here were do what I did, wait for a gap in the traffic coming from the right, position and hope there is a gap in the traffic from the left. There was not, hence I was in Passat man's way when he arrived?
Other options. Pull into a position where I have no visibility of traffic from the left and hope for the best, or wait for a huge gap in traffic which at rush hour on that road does not happen.
I'm alright Jack, so is Passat man (He had to wait 20-30 seconds), and so is the car that I did not crash into coming from the left.
No, I'm not Passat Man. But I still can't quite get my head around the fact that you think it was okay to block his path just because you drive a vehicle that is inappropriate for that junction. How about the "don't use that road" option ? Other options. Pull into a position where I have no visibility of traffic from the left and hope for the best, or wait for a huge gap in traffic which at rush hour on that road does not happen.
I'm alright Jack, so is Passat man (He had to wait 20-30 seconds), and so is the car that I did not crash into coming from the left.
Scootersp said:
Reliance on mirrors over squaring up to use your own eyes would IMO result in more accidents than the squaring up and temporarily blocking the passats side of the road would.
The passat guy got enraged but didn't hit the van and I think you'd have to be very distracted to hit it. The use of a mirror(s) (and it wouldn't be a particularly easy mirror(s) to setup) to pull out onto a main road with all that entails is a far greater risk.
Does that clarify?
The passat guy got enraged but didn't hit the van and I think you'd have to be very distracted to hit it. The use of a mirror(s) (and it wouldn't be a particularly easy mirror(s) to setup) to pull out onto a main road with all that entails is a far greater risk.
Does that clarify?
I agree, as I said earlier in the thread I find it difficult to judge the speed of approaching traffic when looking at it in a mirror, when you're at 0mph, the approaching traffic is possibly at 50+ mph and you also need to be looking right for a gap you need to actually have eyes on all the approaching traffic imo.
surveyor said:
This one?
Officers attend the site of a horrific head-on collision involving a transit van and an HGV where the emergency services attempt to rescue the van driver from wreckage.
I think you missed a link, but this clip shows the bike accident.Officers attend the site of a horrific head-on collision involving a transit van and an HGV where the emergency services attempt to rescue the van driver from wreckage.
https://www.derbyshiretimes.co.uk/news/crime/drama...
He's coming up the road you were pulling out of - about 1/2 to 1 mile back up the hill.
The clip also shows the junction from the air at around 5 seconds and 15 seconds.
(Ignore the commentary on the clip about the accident being on Woodhead, it's not.)
OddCat said:
No, I'm not Passat Man. But I still can't quite get my head around the fact that you think it was okay to block his path just because you drive a vehicle that is inappropriate for that junction. How about the "don't use that road" option ?
"inappropriate for that junction" lol - one of the most common vans on the UK roads. Just slow down when you see someone in your way.Stella Tortoise said:
How are the many millions of drivers who either haven't read this thread or driven a Transit meant to know about this road blocking feature?
Perhaps there should be a government warning.
Try and use a bit of common sense or logic?Perhaps there should be a government warning.
Having a LWB transit (without the benefit of any side windows even like OP’s) I’ve have to pull manoeuvres similar to be able to see.
In a big van at some junctions you cannot see unless you position yourself closer to a 90° angle.
Trouble is some people are only interested in their own little world and anything out of their ordinary must be wrong or worth getting angry about.
I’ve even had people overtake me when turning right on a mini roundabout in my van before just because you need to follow a more deliberate route around!
surveyor said:
I approached this junction ...
Driven that road many times and taken the next left over to Holme Moss. You need a co-driver to help spot traffic on the left when pulling out of there!! TBH I'd say a van with poor visibility like that was bordering on dangerous out of that junction, the angle is very acute, you're facing away and uphill, and vision is blocked anyway.RogerDodger said:
"inappropriate for that junction" lol - one of the most common vans on the UK roads. Just slow down when you see someone in your way.
Being one of the most common vans doesn't make it suitable for the road. That's not a valid point.If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
Mr_Megalomaniac said:
Being one of the most common vans doesn't make it suitable for the road. That's not a valid point.
If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
Do you know the road in question?If the vehicle isn't suitable, it isn't suitable.
I hate to be silly here, but you wouldn't drive it into a lake and be surprised it sinks and is yet "one of the most common vans on the UK roads", would you?
It's a 'proper' road, not some single lane track or suchlike. There are HGVs up and down it, cars with caravans, boats on trailers down to Torside a few hundred metres from the junction, etc, etc.
If you think a Transit isn't suitable for that road I think you'd be very surprised at the road layouts, general topography and hazards up here in the wilds of The North!
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