RE: Mountune Fiesta ST gets 235hp
Discussion
hothatchery7 said:
It is heavier though? When mine was an mp215 it beat a standard mk8. Arguably you could say mine was still standard as it was specced like this brand new from factory?
Although it wasn’t filmed and uploaded to YouTube so obviously not true.
They didn't come from the factory like that though, they were a dealer fitted, aftermarket, warranty friendly option.Although it wasn’t filmed and uploaded to YouTube so obviously not true.
FaNtheMaN26 said:
Interesting ford won't honour the warranty anymore.....don't think many mk7s went pop, or lack of faith in their little 3 pot to go much higher...
As you can imagine engineering an engine that can cope with more power than required is a total waste of money. Hence no warranty, the pistons for one won't take it.avonllahxuav said:
As you can imagine engineering an engine that can cope with more power than required is a total waste of money. Hence no warranty, the pistons for one won't take it.
There are many running around with 250-270bhp with several companies doing a lot of testing into the first hybrid turbo's which'll run around 300bhp. They're proving to be a strong engine!bobbo89 said:
hothatchery7 said:
It is heavier though? When mine was an mp215 it beat a standard mk8. Arguably you could say mine was still standard as it was specced like this brand new from factory?
Although it wasn’t filmed and uploaded to YouTube so obviously not true.
They didn't come from the factory like that though, they were a dealer fitted, aftermarket, warranty friendly option.Although it wasn’t filmed and uploaded to YouTube so obviously not true.
avonllahxuav said:
FaNtheMaN26 said:
Interesting ford won't honour the warranty anymore.....don't think many mk7s went pop, or lack of faith in their little 3 pot to go much higher...
As you can imagine engineering an engine that can cope with more power than required is a total waste of money. Hence no warranty, the pistons for one won't take it.I think the 3 cylinders are reliable.
Certainly the 1.0 i had was excellent and took serious abuse, the only issue was an intermittent cut out/loss of power, but that was more likely down to the specific remap i had.
I would expect the 1.5's to be as bombproof if not better given we are years on now with that kind of tech.
However, i think all this comes at a cost; seem to recall a cambelt change (which is what i'd call basic servicing) on a 1.0 was not far off the cost of a replacement engine so they're not what i'd call "lifetime" engines, or "simple to work on".
I would suspect the above played a part in the warranty being taken away, and probably also with people taking this piss previously;
i.e. badly modifying them then claiming warranty just because it has "Mountune" on it. Same sort of scenario as Vauxhall did with Thorney motorsport way back really; VX warrantied the car and Thorney the mods. However that seemed to end pretty sharply when people got spotted with blowing engines in carparks for "the pops and bangs" and also with all manner of "DIY" upgrades on the forums before removing them and trying to claim warranty when it all went wrong.
Unfortunately thats the market; if people want to modify then a factory supplied option will never be enough for them but equally the dealer shouldn't have to cover the cost when it the modifier gets it wrong.
Certainly the 1.0 i had was excellent and took serious abuse, the only issue was an intermittent cut out/loss of power, but that was more likely down to the specific remap i had.
I would expect the 1.5's to be as bombproof if not better given we are years on now with that kind of tech.
However, i think all this comes at a cost; seem to recall a cambelt change (which is what i'd call basic servicing) on a 1.0 was not far off the cost of a replacement engine so they're not what i'd call "lifetime" engines, or "simple to work on".
I would suspect the above played a part in the warranty being taken away, and probably also with people taking this piss previously;
i.e. badly modifying them then claiming warranty just because it has "Mountune" on it. Same sort of scenario as Vauxhall did with Thorney motorsport way back really; VX warrantied the car and Thorney the mods. However that seemed to end pretty sharply when people got spotted with blowing engines in carparks for "the pops and bangs" and also with all manner of "DIY" upgrades on the forums before removing them and trying to claim warranty when it all went wrong.
Unfortunately thats the market; if people want to modify then a factory supplied option will never be enough for them but equally the dealer shouldn't have to cover the cost when it the modifier gets it wrong.
Elatino1 said:
Incorrect, of course it will take more power and plenty already are.. Ford are just no longer doing warranty friendly upgrades via mountune but may start doing their own line of upgrades akin to such.
Exactly, after seeing the popularity of the Mountune software Ford would be daft not to capitalise on that and offer their own in-house version. Elatino1 said:
Incorrect, of course it will take more power and plenty already are.. Ford are just no longer doing warranty friendly upgrades via mountune but may start doing their own line of upgrades akin to such.
Taking more power is different to taking more power and being considered to meet the durability requirements of an OEM though. My understanding is that there is no plan for Ford to release a power upgrade for the 1.5-litre EcoBoost because they don't believe it would meet their durability requirements. I suspect if we were going to see an upgrade, we would have seen it on the Performance Edition Fiesta ST. Maybe they will do one towards the end of the lifecycle if they become satisfied but, from what I have been told by people inside Ford, there are no plans for it to happen.u33db said:
I think the 3 cylinders are reliable.
Certainly the 1.0 i had was excellent and took serious abuse, the only issue was an intermittent cut out/loss of power, but that was more likely down to the specific remap i had.
I would expect the 1.5's to be as bombproof if not better given we are years on now with that kind of tech.
However, i think all this comes at a cost; seem to recall a cambelt change (which is what i'd call basic servicing) on a 1.0 was not far off the cost of a replacement engine so they're not what i'd call "lifetime" engines, or "simple to work on".
I would suspect the above played a part in the warranty being taken away, and probably also with people taking this piss previously;
i.e. badly modifying them then claiming warranty just because it has "Mountune" on it. Same sort of scenario as Vauxhall did with Thorney motorsport way back really; VX warrantied the car and Thorney the mods. However that seemed to end pretty sharply when people got spotted with blowing engines in carparks for "the pops and bangs" and also with all manner of "DIY" upgrades on the forums before removing them and trying to claim warranty when it all went wrong.
Unfortunately thats the market; if people want to modify then a factory supplied option will never be enough for them but equally the dealer shouldn't have to cover the cost when it the modifier gets it wrong.
But isn't the timing belt interval on a 1.0-litre EcoBoost about 150,000 miles? It runs in oil to improve efficiency and reduce noise and shouldn't actually need doing for the entire life of the car in theory.Certainly the 1.0 i had was excellent and took serious abuse, the only issue was an intermittent cut out/loss of power, but that was more likely down to the specific remap i had.
I would expect the 1.5's to be as bombproof if not better given we are years on now with that kind of tech.
However, i think all this comes at a cost; seem to recall a cambelt change (which is what i'd call basic servicing) on a 1.0 was not far off the cost of a replacement engine so they're not what i'd call "lifetime" engines, or "simple to work on".
I would suspect the above played a part in the warranty being taken away, and probably also with people taking this piss previously;
i.e. badly modifying them then claiming warranty just because it has "Mountune" on it. Same sort of scenario as Vauxhall did with Thorney motorsport way back really; VX warrantied the car and Thorney the mods. However that seemed to end pretty sharply when people got spotted with blowing engines in carparks for "the pops and bangs" and also with all manner of "DIY" upgrades on the forums before removing them and trying to claim warranty when it all went wrong.
Unfortunately thats the market; if people want to modify then a factory supplied option will never be enough for them but equally the dealer shouldn't have to cover the cost when it the modifier gets it wrong.
lee_erm said:
sideways sid said:
Still seems like a great little car.
Perhaps interesting to consider that Ford & Mountune have only now coaxed about the same out of their 1.5 triple as BMW did with theirs (with full warranty) in 2013!
The engine came out in 2018 lolPerhaps interesting to consider that Ford & Mountune have only now coaxed about the same out of their 1.5 triple as BMW did with theirs (with full warranty) in 2013!
Jon_S_Rally said:
But isn't the timing belt interval on a 1.0-litre EcoBoost about 150,000 miles? It runs in oil to improve efficiency and reduce noise and shouldn't actually need doing for the entire life of the car in theory.
Granted 150k is pretty much "scrapping" mileage but the interval is 150k or 10 years.And thats my point...you could soon go buy a decent older example on low mileage but according to age its needs a belt then you have a massive bill. I'm sure it read its something daft like literally HOURS before you even get near the belt on a strip down... madness! Ford must think the same when one comes in for warranty work...massive waste of time for them as well compared to a "conventional" design.
I also have a mechanic friend who has dismantled a few and found the belts start to fray so the 150k is likely over conservative anyway.
They're not built with longevity in mind.
This is why i got shot and bought a older design of engine, ok it might be worse on fuel but at least it can be fixed cheaply if anything did go wrong.
I really don't think you'll see many of cutting around in a decade the same way as you see something simple a like Fiesta mk6..
Master Bean said:
lee_erm said:
sideways sid said:
Still seems like a great little car.
Perhaps interesting to consider that Ford & Mountune have only now coaxed about the same out of their 1.5 triple as BMW did with theirs (with full warranty) in 2013!
The engine came out in 2018 lolPerhaps interesting to consider that Ford & Mountune have only now coaxed about the same out of their 1.5 triple as BMW did with theirs (with full warranty) in 2013!
bobbo89 said:
They didn't come from the factory like that though, they were a dealer fitted, aftermarket, warranty friendly option.
they did in the form of ST200's and also there was so many people who had mp215 kits fitted from new at the dealer before taking delivery. it was a no-brainer and essentially the same as a factory option. u33db said:
Jon_S_Rally said:
But isn't the timing belt interval on a 1.0-litre EcoBoost about 150,000 miles? It runs in oil to improve efficiency and reduce noise and shouldn't actually need doing for the entire life of the car in theory.
Granted 150k is pretty much "scrapping" mileage but the interval is 150k or 10 years.And thats my point...you could soon go buy a decent older example on low mileage but according to age its needs a belt then you have a massive bill. I'm sure it read its something daft like literally HOURS before you even get near the belt on a strip down... madness! Ford must think the same when one comes in for warranty work...massive waste of time for them as well compared to a "conventional" design.
I also have a mechanic friend who has dismantled a few and found the belts start to fray so the 150k is likely over conservative anyway.
They're not built with longevity in mind.
This is why i got shot and bought a older design of engine, ok it might be worse on fuel but at least it can be fixed cheaply if anything did go wrong.
I really don't think you'll see many of cutting around in a decade the same way as you see something simple a like Fiesta mk6..
Ridiculous situation and as you say will scrap the car at 10 years old and 100K + miles, so I think if I end up getting a Mk7 Fiesta it may be a slightly earlier 1.6 engine model with the old fashioned n/a engine. Zetec-S or Titanium...
Cars like the ecoboost Fiesta and Focus only seem to be viable if you buy them young with a decent warranty. 60 or 70K miles on the clock? No thanks. A mechanic friend actually warned me off them tbh.
As for the MK8 Fiesta ST - bet this is a lot of fun. Just hope the ride is not as bad as it is in my wife's MK6 Fiesta ST! Sooo crashy.....
greenarrow said:
Interesting, I didn't know any of this and had been considering an Ecoboost engined car a few months ago, but instead settled on a shed 1.6 Zetec Focus. A quick google search just now dragged up several examples of cambelt failure on Ecoboost engines. One at 108,000 miles -quoted £1400 to change the cambelt (exclusive of any additional engine damage costs).
Ridiculous situation and as you say will scrap the car at 10 years old and 100K + miles, so I think if I end up getting a Mk7 Fiesta it may be a slightly earlier 1.6 engine model with the old fashioned n/a engine. Zetec-S or Titanium...
Cars like the ecoboost Fiesta and Focus only seem to be viable if you buy them young with a decent warranty. 60 or 70K miles on the clock? No thanks. A mechanic friend actually warned me off them tbh.
As for the MK8 Fiesta ST - bet this is a lot of fun. Just hope the ride is not as bad as it is in my wife's MK6 Fiesta ST! Sooo crashy.....
Yeah there is a lot of things to be aware about them really;Ridiculous situation and as you say will scrap the car at 10 years old and 100K + miles, so I think if I end up getting a Mk7 Fiesta it may be a slightly earlier 1.6 engine model with the old fashioned n/a engine. Zetec-S or Titanium...
Cars like the ecoboost Fiesta and Focus only seem to be viable if you buy them young with a decent warranty. 60 or 70K miles on the clock? No thanks. A mechanic friend actually warned me off them tbh.
As for the MK8 Fiesta ST - bet this is a lot of fun. Just hope the ride is not as bad as it is in my wife's MK6 Fiesta ST! Sooo crashy.....
- the cost of major servicing like above
- the cost of general service consumables...only 3 spark plug sound llkes it'll cheaper but the plugs are expensive...i can get a set of 4 top quality ones for my current car for the same cost! Also oil needs to be a specific grade which is more expensive than what you'd see on a regular car.
- the steel water pipes going into the turbo are known for rusting through which will dump all coolant and cook your engine. But rust is a "wear and tear item" according to my dealer. The fix is to cover the pipes in an epoxy or vht paint!
- on the fiesta mk7 1.0 they still use the IB5 gearbox as fitted to the Mk6 and older, only with the increased torque its basically at its design limit, so synchros have a habit of going as a result. I beleive the mk8 uses a 6 speed now which may help??
- the early focus's have a plastic coolant pipe which will crack and dump coolant cooking the engine. Believe there is an uprated pipe but it still happened to my neighbor
and more issues.
I got rid of mine after 7 months for worry of the above, and generally i thought the mk7 was pretty overrated.
100% percent only get an older mk7 if it has the 1.6 petrol or tdci engine though.
WCZ said:
bobbo89 said:
They didn't come from the factory like that though, they were a dealer fitted, aftermarket, warranty friendly option.
they did in the form of ST200's and also there was so many people who had mp215 kits fitted from new at the dealer before taking delivery. it was a no-brainer and essentially the same as a factory option. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff