RE: More extreme Civic Type R Limited Edition launched

[blearyeyedboy]

monkeymark said:

Credit to Honda for listening to feedback though, and offering more choice to suit different tastes or needs. Not easy in the present climate for an independent car manufacturer.

Quite.
Those who are put off by big wings and red seats now have a choice.

Those who like the current option still have it.
Everyone wins, especially Honda.

[macky17]

Alpinestars said:

amgmcqueen said:

In terms of a drivers car......is this the best civic type r ever made?

Not in my view. I think the FK2 is more engaging, and the limited edition Mugen 20 before it is much more immediate and engaging.

This is probably the quickest to date (unsurprisingly).

The only people who would claim an fk2 was better than an fk8 are fk2 owners - up until the time they upgrade. No contest I’m afraid. It may be rawer but then so is an arctic dip in the buff.

[Alpinestars]

macky17 said:

The only people who would claim an fk2 was better than an fk8 are fk2 owners - up until the time they upgrade. No contest I’m afraid. It may be rawer but then so is an arctic dip in the buff.

We’re talking about which the better drivers’ car is. Not the quicker car. I don’t have a dog in the fight. The 2 is a more engaging car than the 8, which is more sterile, IMV.

[macky17]

Sterile? It turns in better, is more adjustable in the corners, doesn’t tramline or torque steer anything like as much, the steering is better, and the brakes are better, and it manages to feel faster as well. But the real difference is the dampening which is exceptional and that’s what makes a drivers’ car IMO. If you’ve ever driven a properly setup track car, or spent 000s on a KW3s or a bespoke setup then you will recognise those handling/ride characteristics in the way an fk8 goes down a road. Sterile it is not.

I can’t be the only person on here with extensive time in both cars - someone explain why I’m wrong. I’m not Lewis Hamilton but I’m plenty good enough to tell the difference between a hot hatch which is certainly great and entertaining, if a little overpowered for its drivetrain/chassis, and one which sets a new fwd benchmark.

[Alpinestars]

macky17 said:

Sterile? It turns in better, is more adjustable in the corners, doesn’t tramline or torque steer anything like as much, the steering is better, and the brakes are better, and it manages to feel faster as well. But the real difference is the dampening which is exceptional and that’s what makes a drivers’ car IMO. If you’ve ever driven a properly setup track car, or spent 000s on a KW3s or a bespoke setup then you will recognise those handling/ride characteristics in the way an fk8 goes down a road. Sterile it is not.

I can’t be the only person on here with extensive time in both cars - someone explain why I’m wrong. I’m not Lewis Hamilton but I’m plenty good enough to tell the difference between a hot hatch which is certainly great and entertaining, if a little overpowered for its drivetrain/chassis, and one which sets a new fwd benchmark.

No one is saying you’re wrong. Each to their own. I prefer the FK2. Hope that’s ok?

[A1VDY]

Sport220 said:

What's the point of a Civic without aircon and infotainment?

Because without all the extras it's now a 'limited edition' and now can charge extra for it.
Punters will queue to pay as usual meanwhile Honda can fit these on the options list of low spec cars and charge more for it. Its a win win for Honda, a great business strategy..

[Chestrockwell]

A1VDY said:

Sport220 said:

What's the point of a Civic without aircon and infotainment?

Because without all the extras it's now a 'limited edition' and now can charge extra for it.
Punters will queue to pay as usual meanwhile Honda can fit these on the options list of low spec cars and charge more for it. Its a win win for Honda, a great business strategy..

Not too sure people will queue up for it, when I was shopping around for one and wanted to test drive it, I realised 3 Honda dealers shared a demo and had to wait my turn.

It may look like it’s because they’re flying out the showroom and they can’t keep them long enough but I think it’s because they’re scared to run 3 separate Civics and lose money on them. I hardly see them around where as the roads are littered with Golf R’s and M140i’s because of their good finance/lease deals.

Furthermore, Honda’s PCP interest rate is a non negotiable 5% on new and 9.9 on used and the figures aren’t pretty. I had to wait and buy my one from a private seller.

It’s a shame as I think more people would be open to trying them out if the figures were attractive. There aren’t discounts either, delivery mileage i30’s and 280 Megane’s were all at least 4k cheaper than Civics with a few thousand miles on them.

After typing this out, it seems like it’s because the demand is good and Honda don’t need to discount them which implies I’m talking out of my arse but....I never see them about!!! They’re a rare sight.

[Benny55]

Just not convinced this “looks better,” Don’t deny its a superb drivers car, but you have to occasionally get out and look at that dogs breakfast of a rear end. Car designers can’t really understand what their customers want. J7;


Then you have the case for the BMW i8 coupe. An absolutely stunning looking vehicle, a very decent drive, a car that could easily been developed further to turn it into a Mclaren/Aston beater. The car certainly grabs people’s attention. I don’t understand why BMW never tweeked the car with a bit more battery power, and maybe shoehorning a more powerful combustion in. The cabin was just a lovely place to be, especially at night with the futuristic lighting.

[Butter Face]

Benny55 said:

but you have to occasionally get out and look at that dogs breakfast of a rear end.


Then you have the case for the BMW i8 coupe. An absolutely stunning looking vehicle,

Wait, you say the Civic rear end looks like dogs breakfast, but the i8, which looks like it's giving birth to a Boxster is stunning?

Horses for courses and all that!

[Derek Chevalier]

Jaaws said:

Court_S said:

:lol:

Seems a step too far to me. Can it be added back?

Well I track my FK2 and in summer it gets fecking hot with the work rate, heat soak from the engine and sun through the windscreen. OK you can open the widows but that sort of defeats the object of the exercise. I'd not enjoy it without a/c.

The current FK8 doesn't tolerate summer track days (it overheats) - will be interesting to see if they fix it with the facelift.

[Derek Chevalier]

Alpinestars said:

amgmcqueen said:

In terms of a drivers car......is this the best civic type r ever made?

Not in my view. I think the FK2 is more engaging, and the limited edition Mugen 20 before it is much more immediate and engaging.

This is probably the quickest to date (unsurprisingly).

The Mugen 20 had a fantastic engine but I don't think the chassis was half as good.

[Derek Chevalier]

big_joe said:

monkeymark said:

Credit to Honda for listening to feedback though, and offering more choice to suit different tastes or needs. Not easy in the present climate for an independent car manufacturer.

Indeed. Looks like they've been paying attention to peoples trackday issues by upgrading the cooling and the brake discs too - two complaints I've heard from people that are tracking regularly.

I'm not sure a drop of 10 degrees C (which I've seen mentioned) is going to be sufficient to stop the engine overheating.

[Alpinestars]

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

amgmcqueen said:

In terms of a drivers car......is this the best civic type r ever made?

Not in my view. I think the FK2 is more engaging, and the limited edition Mugen 20 before it is much more immediate and engaging.

This is probably the quickest to date (unsurprisingly).

The Mugen 20 had a fantastic engine but I don't think the chassis was half as good.

It’s stiff, that’s the only real criticism. It’s, what, 150-200kg lighter than the FK8? Direction changes are so much better, and really sharp. The 8 is a good car, but quite a bit softer.

[Derek Chevalier]

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

amgmcqueen said:

In terms of a drivers car......is this the best civic type r ever made?

Not in my view. I think the FK2 is more engaging, and the limited edition Mugen 20 before it is much more immediate and engaging.

This is probably the quickest to date (unsurprisingly).

The Mugen 20 had a fantastic engine but I don't think the chassis was half as good.

It’s stiff, that’s the only real criticism. It’s, what, 150-200kg lighter than the FK8? Direction changes are so much better, and really sharp. The 8 is a good car, but quite a bit softer.

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

[Alpinestars]

Derek Chevalier said:

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

We’re all different I guess. The 20 is much sharper than the 26r as well.

[Derek Chevalier]

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

We’re all different I guess. The 20 is much sharper than the 26r as well.

That's not to say I wouldn't buy one. My friend talks about selling his but no firm price has yet been given.

[Alpinestars]

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

We’re all different I guess. The 20 is much sharper than the 26r as well.

That's not to say I wouldn't buy one. My friend talks about selling his but no firm price has yet been given.

What number is it?

[Derek Chevalier]

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

We’re all different I guess. The 20 is much sharper than the 26r as well.

That's not to say I wouldn't buy one. My friend talks about selling his but no firm price has yet been given.

What number is it?

I'm not sure. He's owned it from new, so I'm guessing he will keep it. I recall a run of 2.2 engines being made as well.

[Turbojuice]

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

We’re all different I guess. The 20 is much sharper than the 26r as well.

That's not to say I wouldn't buy one. My friend talks about selling his but no firm price has yet been given.

What number is it?

I'm not sure. He's owned it from new, so I'm guessing he will keep it. I recall a run of 2.2 engines being made as well.

2.2 engines for the renaults or the hondas?

[Derek Chevalier]

Turbojuice said:

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

Alpinestars said:

Derek Chevalier said:

I thought it felt like it was tripping over its front axle under hard braking. I had an R26.R at the time and thought the chassis on that was better. Amazing engine - my friend still has his.

We’re all different I guess. The 20 is much sharper than the 26r as well.

That's not to say I wouldn't buy one. My friend talks about selling his but no firm price has yet been given.

What number is it?

I'm not sure. He's owned it from new, so I'm guessing he will keep it. I recall a run of 2.2 engines being made as well.

2.2 engines for the renaults or the hondas?

Hondas

https://www.evo.co.uk/honda/civic/7088/honda-civic...