RE: Maserati Quattroporte (M139) | The Brave Pill
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sidewinder500 said:
The car though..., well, chavved up ( grille, wrong wheels), serviced on a shoestring (tires, Maserati 'specialist' servicing), too many miles, too many owners, boring colour combo, wayyyy too expensive for the aforementoned, considering the amount you need to rectify the wrongdoings.
Sorry, but disagree with most of this... Isn't using a Maserati specialist considered the sensible thing to do on a 10+ old car?That colour combo is fantastic, the wheels are fitting too imo.
E63M said:
sidewinder500 said:
The car though..., well, chavved up ( grille, wrong wheels), serviced on a shoestring (tires, Maserati 'specialist' servicing), too many miles, too many owners, boring colour combo, wayyyy too expensive for the aforementoned, considering the amount you need to rectify the wrongdoings.
Sorry, but disagree with most of this... Isn't using a Maserati specialist considered the sensible thing to do on a 10+ old car?That colour combo is fantastic, the wheels are fitting too imo.
Amussis said:
voicey said:
I suggest that anyone considering such a purchase carefully reads this thread: https://www.sportsmaserati.com/index.php?threads/q...
Maserati of this era are cursed by rot
You beat me too it. I only registered to post this warning. Once fixed, best car in the world.........Maserati of this era are cursed by rot
E63M said:
sidewinder500 said:
The car though..., well, chavved up ( grille, wrong wheels), serviced on a shoestring (tires, Maserati 'specialist' servicing), too many miles, too many owners, boring colour combo, wayyyy too expensive for the aforementoned, considering the amount you need to rectify the wrongdoings.
Sorry, but disagree with most of this... Isn't using a Maserati specialist considered the sensible thing to do on a 10+ old car?That colour combo is fantastic, the wheels are fitting too imo.
Could be your backdoor mechanic without proper knowledge, but what do I know....
Lots of other cars rust underneath if not looked after too I'm sure....especially at 10-15 years old.
Must say, I’ve never heard of people dying because of it as suggested above, you would hope that neglected cars will have any serious issues picked up during MOT before any safety issues.
Not saying it is not an issue with older QP’s, it is, but if caught early and looked after going forward you should be fine.
Anyway, with any car of this type, be it an old s class, 7 series, A8 etc they all would need a good inspection prior to purchase, as all have the potential to throw up substantial bills, no matter how shiny the paintwork looks.
The advantage the Quattroporte has over other large saloons (and most cars full stop) from this era is that it is a design classic, mated to a great sounding Ferrari engine. For such a big car they handle well too, being pretty much a mid engine car, as the engine is mounted so far back. I think that currently, well maintained ones of course, are bargains.
How low can they go?
How much are they worth to break in spares?
Or maybe don’t risk it, just get a bog standard new 1.4 A4 on a 6+23 at £275/month, that’ll definitely cost you £7995 for a couple of years.
Must say, I’ve never heard of people dying because of it as suggested above, you would hope that neglected cars will have any serious issues picked up during MOT before any safety issues.
Not saying it is not an issue with older QP’s, it is, but if caught early and looked after going forward you should be fine.
Anyway, with any car of this type, be it an old s class, 7 series, A8 etc they all would need a good inspection prior to purchase, as all have the potential to throw up substantial bills, no matter how shiny the paintwork looks.
The advantage the Quattroporte has over other large saloons (and most cars full stop) from this era is that it is a design classic, mated to a great sounding Ferrari engine. For such a big car they handle well too, being pretty much a mid engine car, as the engine is mounted so far back. I think that currently, well maintained ones of course, are bargains.
How low can they go?
How much are they worth to break in spares?
Or maybe don’t risk it, just get a bog standard new 1.4 A4 on a 6+23 at £275/month, that’ll definitely cost you £7995 for a couple of years.
Edited by ITP on Saturday 22 February 21:01
Edited by ITP on Saturday 22 February 21:57
cerb4.5lee said:
I love the noise these make. 
Any excuse to post this 
(46 seconds in)https://youtu.be/RmeeF9ZtkCA
Amirhussain said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I love the noise these make.
Any excuse to post this (46 seconds in)https://youtu.be/RmeeF9ZtkCA
I've always loved these.
Somehow because I had joined the Pirelli "pzeroclub" I got invited to a Maserati driving day at Millbrook in 2008.
I drove 3 of these, 2 Autos and 1 duo-select, on each of the oval, handling circuit and the 1 mile straight and just thinking about it now still sends tingles down my spine! I've still got the sales brochure and the price list - an Automatic GTS was £86,400! I don't have the options price list, but I think the heated/cooled/massage seats were over £5K, so it wouldn't have been hard to get to £100K.
They had about 20 cars there that day, so it was probably every demonstrator in the UK.
I still think they must be the best looking saloons ever made, and the engine just sounds so amazing when you floor it.
I remember seeing them for around £20K a few years ago, but didn't realise they had dropped to this sort of level!
But you really would need to have balls of steel to take a punt on a car like this - or a huge bork fund. Although while it worked it would be a fantastic experience!
Somehow because I had joined the Pirelli "pzeroclub" I got invited to a Maserati driving day at Millbrook in 2008.
I drove 3 of these, 2 Autos and 1 duo-select, on each of the oval, handling circuit and the 1 mile straight and just thinking about it now still sends tingles down my spine! I've still got the sales brochure and the price list - an Automatic GTS was £86,400! I don't have the options price list, but I think the heated/cooled/massage seats were over £5K, so it wouldn't have been hard to get to £100K.
They had about 20 cars there that day, so it was probably every demonstrator in the UK.
I still think they must be the best looking saloons ever made, and the engine just sounds so amazing when you floor it.
I remember seeing them for around £20K a few years ago, but didn't realise they had dropped to this sort of level!
But you really would need to have balls of steel to take a punt on a car like this - or a huge bork fund. Although while it worked it would be a fantastic experience!
Had the fortunate opportunity to drive a DuoSelect to MIRA for wet handling assessment many years ago and have a lasting appreciation of the V8's charisma, the chassis character, poise & adjustability in addition to the overall exterior & interior style & ambiance - but ohh that gearbox! Yes, it's transaxle location played it's part in the dynamics but it really let the package down for interaction & capability. I never drove the later front mounted ZF autobox but expect it's benefits outweighed it's inferior location (although I can only imagine the huge cost of re-engineering the platform to accept it!).
Most seem to agree that to make the most of the duo select box it needs to be driven as a manual and in sport mode, and the bite point of the clutch set correctly (which can only be done with the Maserati diagnostic kit) however it's then no longer the luxury wafty barge that it or its competitors were built to be.
The speed of the change can also be improved to a more Ferrari like automated manual response with a tweak to the gearbox ecu.
The speed of the change can also be improved to a more Ferrari like automated manual response with a tweak to the gearbox ecu.
Beautiful looking thing but that gearbox is just a shocker.
Cheap to buy but expensive to run. £8k on day 1, but then easily the same again each year on servicing/parts/tyres/fuel/insurance and that's before anything expensive on the car goes 'bang'. Still, the thought of seeing it on the driveway each morning... What would it be worth as parts if something big did go bang I wonder?
Cheap to buy but expensive to run. £8k on day 1, but then easily the same again each year on servicing/parts/tyres/fuel/insurance and that's before anything expensive on the car goes 'bang'. Still, the thought of seeing it on the driveway each morning... What would it be worth as parts if something big did go bang I wonder?
PAUL500 said:
Most seem to agree that to make the most of the duo select box it needs to be driven as a manual and in sport mode, and the bite point of the clutch set correctly (which can only be done with the Maserati diagnostic kit) however it's then no longer the luxury wafty barge that it or its competitors were built to be.
The speed of the change can also be improved to a more Ferrari like automated manual response with a tweak to the gearbox ecu.
Agreed. The duo select is only usable in 'sport' mode. This wears out the clutch after about 20,000 miles Unless you're very lucky. The speed of the change can also be improved to a more Ferrari like automated manual response with a tweak to the gearbox ecu.
Now onto my 9th Maserati (A GT Sport 2015) and love them. Had a QP Duo Select same as the one here in Silver about 4 years ao, paid £15k for it drove it for a year and sold it for £15k. Lovely cheap motoring.
The main issue with these older QP's is subframe rot. So get a proper inspection from one of the specialists.
If anyone has any questions on general ownership then come at me.
The car in this video is owned by a friend and it is for sale. It sounds amazing with full Larini kit. £10.5k buy it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZ_k21hK2o
The main issue with these older QP's is subframe rot. So get a proper inspection from one of the specialists.
If anyone has any questions on general ownership then come at me.
The car in this video is owned by a friend and it is for sale. It sounds amazing with full Larini kit. £10.5k buy it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaZ_k21hK2o
Osinjak said:
I've no doubt these are a hoot to own and have to agree about the lovely engine noise but the overall look is not visually arresting. If anything I think it's a little, well, bland if I'm honest. Probably heresy on this thread!
Some of mine (current one first). I've never heard anyone say they are bland. The QPV is one of Pininfarina's finest imo. 
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