RE: Order books open for all-new Defender 90

[oilit]

Afrita said:

Well prices double approximately every 20 years (inflation), which means your Range Rovers would now be around £85k - pretty much spot on I think.

What did a Defender cost in 1995? Perhaps more relevant, what did a Disco 1 cost in 1995, as this is much closer to that in concept?

Edit to add: Parker’s reckon a 1989-1998 Disco cost £17-33k (https://www.parkers.co.uk/land-rover/discovery/station-wagon-1989/used-review/) so pricing looks pretty similar barring the absolute top spec.

Edited by Afrita on Wednesday 26th February 09:03

My Disco 2.5d ES was £28k in 1995 (Auto) ;-)

Edited by oilit on Wednesday 26th February 20:28

[Macboy]

I specced one out on the configurator and some of the options are right up there on price. That said I only added about a grands worth because the base car is well enough specced for me except colours. The range at launch is pitiful and only one standard colour - white - is taking the p*ss really. There’s something gif everyone on the options list except the diehard LR fans with £4K to spend on the whole car. I’m waiting to drive one but if it’s As good to drive as early reports suggest it could be, I’ll have one. For less than £43k.

[fortfive]

I hope the Police are going to order loads of Discoveries, as I can't imagine anyone else doing so now. They will buy Defenders. It sickens me to see Police BMW's all the time when they could buy British(well partly British at least).

[tonyshepp]

I’ve just bought a 2016 Defender 90 XS , we’ve always liked the shape. The ride is horrendous, it leaks water, it’s noisy but it has character and plenty of it.
The new one is great, tad expensive but hey look at prices of the last generation of Defenders now, they aren’t cheap.
I wish Landrover well, it’s a shame that it isn’t English owned and that the workforce producing the car aren’t British. At least mines homemade, and there’s nostalgia and pride in that.

[modeller]

tonyshepp said:

I’ve just bought a 2016 Defender 90 XS , we’ve always liked the shape. The ride is horrendous, it leaks water, it’s noisy but it has character and plenty of it.
The new one is great, tad expensive but hey look at prices of the last generation of Defenders now, they aren’t cheap.
I wish Landrover well, it’s a shame that it isn’t English owned and that the workforce producing the car aren’t British. At least mines homemade, and there’s nostalgia and pride in that.

So the 10,000+ engineers in Gaydon/Whitley had no input. Stupid comment.

[FA57REN]

Osinjak said:

...and cannot recall ever once seeing a Defender being used on a farm, all I've ever seen are Japanese 4x4s with the odd Ford thrown in.

Yet we're told that Land Rover can't cater for the rural utility market because there's insufficient demand. Because farmers keep buying all those Japanese pickups instead of the non-existent LR alternative...

Self-fulfilling logic there.

They should just drop the Land Rover name in favour of Jaguar and be done with it.

Edited by FA57REN on Wednesday 26th February 22:15

[jagfan2]

The P400 90 will be a lot of fun, it's not much longer than a Skoda yeti and smaller than a focus/A3 , but 2m wide. With 400ps/550nm and a trick ediff is a megahatch (admittedly heavy) that works on any surface.

[anonymous-user]

FA57REN said:

Yet we're told that Land Rover can't cater for the rural utility market because there's insufficient demand. Because farmers keep buying all those Japanese pickups instead of the non-existent LR alternative...

Self-fulfilling logic there.

They should just drop the Land Rover name in favour of Jaguar and be done with it.

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 26th February 22:15

Oh dear.

[Jim the Sunderer]

I'd like a third seater commercial with a sunroof, air suspension and petrol engine.

I suspect they'll be a little uncommon on the used market though.

[quigonjay]

Not that I am in a position to be buying one but still, few annoying things about the configurator.
6 cyl only available in top spec, £75k 'X' model.
As is the glass sunroof, folding fabric roof for all other specs. (£1700)
Steel wheels only available on base spec, although i guess you could buy some after.
Ideal spec would be base trim with 6 cyl, green/white roof, white steels, sliding glass sunroof, towbar, also can not spec white roof on X model so if I wanted the 6 cyl would have to get the X, buy the extra steel wheels, get the roof wrapped in white, that is nearly £80k, no thanks.

[Clivey]

quigonjay said:

Not that I am in a position to be buying one but still, few annoying things about the configurator.
6 cyl only available in top spec, £75k 'X' model.
As is the glass sunroof, folding fabric roof for all other specs. (£1700)
Steel wheels only available on base spec, although i guess you could buy some after.
Ideal spec would be base trim with 6 cyl, green/white roof, white steels, sliding glass sunroof, towbar, also can not spec white roof on X model so if I wanted the 6 cyl would have to get the X, buy the extra steel wheels, get the roof wrapped in white, that is nearly £80k, no thanks.

The reason you can’t choose 18” steelies is that the 6-pot engine option also comes with larger brakes, which can only be accommodated by 19”s or larger.

[markcoopers]

I have not read 6 pages of posts so apologies if this has already been mentioned.

All the “farmers “ with muddy wellies and hosing down interiors long ago moved into pick ups and “commercial “ vehicles. If the defender version caters for them then I am sure Toyota will not be rubbing their hands together. Further I suspect they will be struggling to think why they can not make their offerings appeal to the “city dweller “ brigade

[Cold]

tonyshepp said:

I’ve just bought a 2016 Defender 90 XS
//
At least mines homemade, and there’s nostalgia and pride in that.

tonyshepp also said:

The ride is horrendous, it leaks water, it’s noisy

That's quite something to be proud of, yes. A noisy, leaky, poor riding rust accumulator.

[ghost83]

Just spec’d one

70k

No thanks

A whole host of nicer cars

Range Rover sport
Macan
Discovery
X3/x5
Evoque
Volvo xc90

I’m not sure who their core market is for this farmers won’t rly buy it the average young person can’t afford it and most women would rather have one of the above vehicles

[swisstoni]

ghost83 said:

Just spec’d one

70k

No thanks

A whole host of nicer cars

Range Rover sport
Macan
Discovery
X3/x5
Evoque
Volvo xc90

I’m not sure who their core market is for this farmers won’t rly buy it the average young person can’t afford it and most women would rather have one of the above vehicles

Have you tried speccing some of those alternatives?

[anonymous-user]

Anyone else reading this thread on a mobile using Google Chrome?
All the ad placements I'm getting are for Toyota Hilux Invincibles 😂.
Must be the browser favoured by real farmers!

Has Clarkson got a Defender yet for his forthcoming Amazon farming programme? He'll be a great brand ambassador......

[Drekly]

RacerMike said:

90 configurator now live. I think it looks rather nice with small wheels and sans 'Gerry' panel.

https://buildyour.landrover.co.uk/lr2/r/bodystyle/...

So that square panel thing on the rear side window is an option? Unlike the car pictured in the article it doesn't seem to be on any of the 90 models (whereas it is on all of the 110s) in the configurator. It is a cleaner design without it, it was the one thing that bugged me.

[Shakermaker]

Miserablegit said:

Shakermaker said:

Yes because its well known how cheap metal is compared to plastic?

Yes, indeed, it is well known how cheap a metal bumper is compared to plastic....


https://www.paddockspares.com/ntc4657-front-bumper...

£43.89 for a replacement bolt on bumper for the original defender.

Typical PH...

How much will paddock spares charge for a replacement plastic bumper in 10-20-30 years time for this new Defender? If you don't want an original LR branded part and are happy to bolt on a decent replica I'm sure someone could make one for less than the cost of the metal

[Gary Woodland]

Drekly said:

So that square panel thing on the rear side window is an option? Unlike the car pictured in the article it doesn't seem to be on any of the 90 models (whereas it is on all of the 110s) in the configurator. It is a cleaner design without it, it was the one thing that bugged me.

Yes, it is an option on the 90s.

I'm interested to see how these stack up on PCP etc as the "retail price" is almost irrelevant to the general public now.

I want one for sure for dailying around in winter.

[ghost83]

swisstoni said:

Have you tried speccing some of those alternatives?

Yes I have and for the money I’d rather have them!

The evoque and x3 came to 52-55k in my spec after discount
The discovery and Range Rover after discounts worked out at 70k so same price but imo much better and the macan was also 70k but let’s face it, it’s a Porsche which imo is better than a jumper up overpriced defender that feels not worth the price!

Yes I’ve been in a new defender and watched the electrical gremlins when they couldn’t get the rear door to open for example