RE: Order books open for all-new Defender 90

[Miserablegit]

Shakermaker said:

How much will paddock spares charge for a replacement plastic bumper in 10-20-30 years time for this new Defender? If you don't want an original LR branded part and are happy to bolt on a decent replica I'm sure someone could make one for less than the cost of the metal

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[Shakermaker]

Miserablegit said:

You have 10,500 posts
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No, some of them are much, much worse, feel free to have a look through them

[anonymous-user]

Osinjak said:

lowdrag said:

The staple use of a Land Rover is,well, just what the name says. About as basic as a 2CV, needing few tools to repair on the farm. And that is the point; a Defender was designed for off-road use, not the Kings Road. I can just see a farmer, his boots covered in slurry, climbing aboard this new version - and then hosing it out in the farm yard later on. Not. So once again I guess that Toyota and others will be rubbing their hands and looking forward to a boost in orders.

Snore.

I've been holidaying in the Highlands and Islands (I even went to Pembrokeshire once) for the last ten years and cannot recall ever once seeing a Defender being used on a farm, all I've ever seen are Japanese 4x4s with the odd Ford thrown in. Around where I live there's a huge shooting community who mostly haul their gundogs around in Discoverys.

Your misty-eyed recollections are somewhat out of date.

I live in a very rural area of Scotland and quite near an auction mart. The car park is about 70% Defenders. All farmers. Yes, theres a few L200 and Isuzus but generally farmers here still favour a hardtop 90 to pull their livestock trailers.

I also used to drive into farms on a regular basis not that long ago (well after the discontinuation) and more often than not met by a dark blue or sludge green 90 with mud flaps.

All I can say is 'you're wrong'

I cant see this new one appealing to those farmers, I guess it's not really supposed to. But then they are launching a commercial one so may be more basic.

[prand]

Miserablegit said:

Shakermaker said:

How much will paddock spares charge for a replacement plastic bumper in 10-20-30 years time for this new Defender? If you don't want an original LR branded part and are happy to bolt on a decent replica I'm sure someone could make one for less than the cost of the metal

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I was going to agree with Shakermaker... new parts for a brand new model will be way OTT right now. Though I expect in a few years the pattern parts (even OEM) for Defenders should be cheaper and freely available, just like they are for the old Defender. Plus hopefully in the next 10 yrs we'll be able to get stuff 3d printed, maybe for a few quid in your own home.

[aponting389]

broombroomcar said:

Osinjak said:

lowdrag said:

The staple use of a Land Rover is,well, just what the name says. About as basic as a 2CV, needing few tools to repair on the farm. And that is the point; a Defender was designed for off-road use, not the Kings Road. I can just see a farmer, his boots covered in slurry, climbing aboard this new version - and then hosing it out in the farm yard later on. Not. So once again I guess that Toyota and others will be rubbing their hands and looking forward to a boost in orders.

Snore.

I've been holidaying in the Highlands and Islands (I even went to Pembrokeshire once) for the last ten years and cannot recall ever once seeing a Defender being used on a farm, all I've ever seen are Japanese 4x4s with the odd Ford thrown in. Around where I live there's a huge shooting community who mostly haul their gundogs around in Discoverys.

Your misty-eyed recollections are somewhat out of date.

I live in a very rural area of Scotland and quite near an auction mart. The car park is about 70% Defenders. All farmers. Yes, theres a few L200 and Isuzus but generally farmers here still favour a hardtop 90 to pull their livestock trailers.

I also used to drive into farms on a regular basis not that long ago (well after the discontinuation) and more often than not met by a dark blue or sludge green 90 with mud flaps.

All I can say is 'you're wrong'

I cant see this new one appealing to those farmers, I guess it's not really supposed to. But then they are launching a commercial one so may be more basic.

+1. Been reading on here for years people saying that farmers don’t use land rovers anymore. It’s not true. Some use Japanese stuff yes, but every time I go into a farm yard, which is a lot, 99% sure they will be a defender in there. The commercial defender when released will be bought by farmers without doubt

[aeropilot]

I got to £59k for a 90 with the 300hp petrol with the semi-off road stuff I'd want/need.

Not horrific, but.......thats the same price as I paid for my high spec X5 40d 3 years ago.......

And that's been faultless in 3 years, and I've averaged 35mpg in it, and its waaaaaay more comfortable than this will be.

Only advantage of the 90 will be its smaller footprint which would be nice to have, as don't really need the size of the X5, but will probably just keep the X5 and run it into the ground.

Still waiting to see what the unveiled Ford Bronco will be in the UK

[TCS1]

aponting389 said:

broombroomcar said:

Osinjak said:

lowdrag said:

The staple use of a Land Rover is,well, just what the name says. About as basic as a 2CV, needing few tools to repair on the farm. And that is the point; a Defender was designed for off-road use, not the Kings Road. I can just see a farmer, his boots covered in slurry, climbing aboard this new version - and then hosing it out in the farm yard later on. Not. So once again I guess that Toyota and others will be rubbing their hands and looking forward to a boost in orders.

Snore.

I've been holidaying in the Highlands and Islands (I even went to Pembrokeshire once) for the last ten years and cannot recall ever once seeing a Defender being used on a farm, all I've ever seen are Japanese 4x4s with the odd Ford thrown in. Around where I live there's a huge shooting community who mostly haul their gundogs around in Discoverys.

Your misty-eyed recollections are somewhat out of date.

I live in a very rural area of Scotland and quite near an auction mart. The car park is about 70% Defenders. All farmers. Yes, theres a few L200 and Isuzus but generally farmers here still favour a hardtop 90 to pull their livestock trailers.

I also used to drive into farms on a regular basis not that long ago (well after the discontinuation) and more often than not met by a dark blue or sludge green 90 with mud flaps.

All I can say is 'you're wrong'

I cant see this new one appealing to those farmers, I guess it's not really supposed to. But then they are launching a commercial one so may be more basic.

+1. Been reading on here for years people saying that farmers don’t use land rovers anymore. It’s not true. Some use Japanese stuff yes, but every time I go into a farm yard, which is a lot, 99% sure they will be a defender in there. The commercial defender when released will be bought by farmers without doubt

It'll depend where you live. I've no doubt that defenders are used by farmers. I also live in a very remote area of Scotland and within a 40mi radius one farmer has a battered old 2dr 90 pick up which must be at least 15yrs old. It's not a wealthy area. They all use cheap pick ups. Any farming work is in a tractor. Game keepers are in pick ups. Around here a defender is more likely owned privately by a second home owner.

[sdiggle]

Zygot said:

Anyone else reading this thread on a mobile using Google Chrome?
All the ad placements I'm getting are for Toyota Hilux Invincibles ??.
Must be the browser favoured by real farmers!

Has Clarkson got a Defender yet for his forthcoming Amazon farming programme? He'll be a great brand ambassador......

It's called Programmatic advertising. The page is being targeted by Toyota. Industry standard practice...

Nothing to do with farmers

[Osinjak]

broombroomcar said:

Osinjak said:

lowdrag said:

The staple use of a Land Rover is,well, just what the name says. About as basic as a 2CV, needing few tools to repair on the farm. And that is the point; a Defender was designed for off-road use, not the Kings Road. I can just see a farmer, his boots covered in slurry, climbing aboard this new version - and then hosing it out in the farm yard later on. Not. So once again I guess that Toyota and others will be rubbing their hands and looking forward to a boost in orders.

Snore.

I've been holidaying in the Highlands and Islands (I even went to Pembrokeshire once) for the last ten years and cannot recall ever once seeing a Defender being used on a farm, all I've ever seen are Japanese 4x4s with the odd Ford thrown in. Around where I live there's a huge shooting community who mostly haul their gundogs around in Discoverys.

Your misty-eyed recollections are somewhat out of date.

I live in a very rural area of Scotland and quite near an auction mart. The car park is about 70% Defenders. All farmers. Yes, theres a few L200 and Isuzus but generally farmers here still favour a hardtop 90 to pull their livestock trailers.

I also used to drive into farms on a regular basis not that long ago (well after the discontinuation) and more often than not met by a dark blue or sludge green 90 with mud flaps.

All I can say is 'you're wrong'

I cant see this new one appealing to those farmers, I guess it's not really supposed to. But then they are launching a commercial one so may be more basic.

Happy to be corrected, farming's not my world after all and I can only base my opinion on places I've been to in Scotland where the absence of Defenders is quite surprising (to me anyway, as a LR owner).

[Clivey]

ghost83 said:

Just spec’d one

70k

No thanks

A whole host of nicer cars

Range Rover sport
Macan
Discovery
X3/x5
Evoque
Volvo xc90

Maybe it's not primarily aimed at gym rats, drug dealers or tanning salon clientele? The Defender is supposed to be a practical 4x4 that you'd actually go off-road in, use for towing etc. (if not, you'd be better off with an actual car). Why would you be cross shopping with blingy trinkets like the X5 and XC90, unless of course you only want one to pose in?

[RevsPerMinute]

Managed to spec one up to £107,000.

If I click buy, do you think that would qualify me for a free day out at one of their offroad centres?

[jagfan2]

Osinjak said:

Happy to be corrected, farming's not my world after all and I can only base my opinion on places I've been to in Scotland where the absence of Defenders is quite surprising (to me anyway, as a LR owner).

for all those moaning about not being able to hose out the floor with muddy wellies, have you even looked at the spec or read a review

[i]RUBBER FLOORING
Making it easy to clean, durable rubber flooring has been fitted throughout the entire cabin. The flush door sills allow you to readily remove mud and dirt. [/i]

https://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/defender/feat...

[Osinjak]

jagfan2 said:

Osinjak said:

Happy to be corrected, farming's not my world after all and I can only base my opinion on places I've been to in Scotland where the absence of Defenders is quite surprising (to me anyway, as a LR owner).

for all those moaning about not being able to hose out the floor with muddy wellies, have you even looked at the spec or read a review

[i]RUBBER FLOORING
Making it easy to clean, durable rubber flooring has been fitted throughout the entire cabin. The flush door sills allow you to readily remove mud and dirt. [/i]

https://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicles/defender/feat...

Why have you quoted me? I'm not moaning about it, I frankly couldn't give a stuff.

[Gitwhoismiserable]

Miserablegit said:

You have 10,500 posts
Are they all as st as this?

Chill buddy, #benice you will give us miserables a bad reputation

[CDP]

Muzzer79 said:

I think it looks great

The notion that farmers will buy one and use it around the land is laughable - farmers haven't used Defenders for years and years.

I see new Range Rovers with a gold coat of arms in the fields round here from time to time. Which seems silly to me.

[JerryF]

Ordered a 110 First Edition and cannot wait, all a person can want, except for maybe an Ariel, Lotus or a Morgan.

[BRR]

I personally love the 90, I have no need for one but I just like it, if you consider what is being charged for the equivalent Merc, BMW etc I don't think it's overpriced at all

[MrML]

aeropilot said:

I got to £59k for a 90 with the 300hp petrol with the semi-off road stuff I'd want/need.

Not horrific, but.......thats the same price as I paid for my high spec X5 40d 3 years ago.......

And that's been faultless in 3 years, and I've averaged 35mpg in it, and its waaaaaay more comfortable than this will be.

Only advantage of the 90 will be its smaller footprint which would be nice to have, as don't really need the size of the X5, but will probably just keep the X5 and run it into the ground.

Still waiting to see what the unveiled Ford Bronco will be in the UK

out of interest what is it that makes you think your 3 year old BMW is going to be 'waaaaay more comfortable'?

[Osinjak]

MrML said:

out of interest what is it that makes you think your 3 year old BMW is going to be 'waaaaay more comfortable'?

On looks alone I'd have the Defender over the X5 any day of the week, never mind the comfort!

[aeropilot]

MrML said:

aeropilot said:

I got to £59k for a 90 with the 300hp petrol with the semi-off road stuff I'd want/need.

Not horrific, but.......thats the same price as I paid for my high spec X5 40d 3 years ago.......

And that's been faultless in 3 years, and I've averaged 35mpg in it, and its waaaaaay more comfortable than this will be.

Only advantage of the 90 will be its smaller footprint which would be nice to have, as don't really need the size of the X5, but will probably just keep the X5 and run it into the ground.

Still waiting to see what the unveiled Ford Bronco will be in the UK

out of interest what is it that makes you think your 3 year old BMW is going to be 'waaaaay more comfortable'?

BMW Comfort seats