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spikyone said:
This might work as a commuter car, but the range is pitiful for anyone that lives in the real world where you need to make longer journeys that aren't practical by public transport. That range wouldn't get me from my home to where my parents live, so in reality I'd need it to be a second car.
Even the e208 only has a range of 211 miles. Throw in a hot/cold day where you need to use the air con or heater, and I wouldn't be surprised if a 150 mile journey became a nervy affair in the Peugeot.
I don't buy the idea that it's fine because "70 miles is half a tank" either - 70 miles is 70 miles, no matter what your overall range is, and you're currently going to be much closer to a petrol pump than a fast charger.
For £25k I'd rather have a hot hatch with a 400-500 mile range and not need something else for non-commuting miles. It'd probably be 200kg lighter and much better to drive too.
^^^^^^^^^Even the e208 only has a range of 211 miles. Throw in a hot/cold day where you need to use the air con or heater, and I wouldn't be surprised if a 150 mile journey became a nervy affair in the Peugeot.
I don't buy the idea that it's fine because "70 miles is half a tank" either - 70 miles is 70 miles, no matter what your overall range is, and you're currently going to be much closer to a petrol pump than a fast charger.
For £25k I'd rather have a hot hatch with a 400-500 mile range and not need something else for non-commuting miles. It'd probably be 200kg lighter and much better to drive too.
This exactly...
My dayly commuter is an e-smart, great drive, to be honest, much better than the petrol one before, but that range thing...
There will NEVER be the same amount of free travel without thinking where to charge up (and forget that 80% nonsense after 30 mins, believe me...) as with petrol.
Nice electric cars out there, but that road is wrong way...
RemarkLima said:
Mouse Rat said:
I like this but would rather the e golf.
But at last we're starting to get normal cars that are EVs rather than the niche oddball leafs, zoes, Teslas, i3s etc.
But have you driven an e Golf? We did as a potential replacement for the i3 and it was do dire, slow, poor range, the lightest steering known to humanity and more expensive... So, I was hoping that the ID3 would be out, but still not there. But at last we're starting to get normal cars that are EVs rather than the niche oddball leafs, zoes, Teslas, i3s etc.
I'd not say the egolf is a serious proposition at all!
Forgetting for a second that electric cars aren't the answer or the future. My biggest problem with this is the use of a Cooper S badge.... what's all that about?
For a start it's an insult to Mini Heritage and secondly, for the people buying this sort of car surely a badge signifying (at least until now) the hot petrol model in the lineup holds no allure? It's both insulting and nonsensical. Just put a badge saying "Expensive Model" or "Oh so virtuous" on the back so their neighbors know they are both keeping up with the Joneses and responsible "right thinking" middle class moral compasses and have done.
For a start it's an insult to Mini Heritage and secondly, for the people buying this sort of car surely a badge signifying (at least until now) the hot petrol model in the lineup holds no allure? It's both insulting and nonsensical. Just put a badge saying "Expensive Model" or "Oh so virtuous" on the back so their neighbors know they are both keeping up with the Joneses and responsible "right thinking" middle class moral compasses and have done.
Edited by TomTVR500 on Friday 28th February 08:48
These will sell like hot cakes on lease deals and will help drive the electric revolution. On an overnight charging tariff they equate to 1p a mile to run. Madness!
Unfortunately too small for the needs of my family (waiting for the iX3 which has the same cost per mile) but for a city car/runaround you won’t be able to beat this and will appeal to the same people that bought ICE minis i.e. those who want a perceived “premium” supermini. Sounds decent fun to drive too.
Well done BMW.
Unfortunately too small for the needs of my family (waiting for the iX3 which has the same cost per mile) but for a city car/runaround you won’t be able to beat this and will appeal to the same people that bought ICE minis i.e. those who want a perceived “premium” supermini. Sounds decent fun to drive too.
Well done BMW.
9k rpm said:
These will sell like hot cakes on lease deals and will help drive the electric revolution. On an overnight charging tariff they equate to 1p a mile to run. Madness!
Unfortunately too small for the needs of my family (waiting for the iX3 which has the same cost per mile) but for a city car/runaround you won’t be able to beat this and will appeal to the same people that bought ICE minis i.e. those who want a perceived “premium” supermini. Sounds decent fun to drive too.
Well done BMW.
You're definitely right on the first comment. It's cars like this that are going to start the real EV shift. It's not some bizarre looking, virtue signaller, it's just a MINI that happens to be electric, like the 208 and Corsa that just happen to be electric. It will make the transition much easier for a lot of people, as it's almost identical to what they're used to, just with a different fuel. The prices for some of them are still a bit high at the moment, but I guess that will come down. Regardless, this seems a much better way to get people to adopt EV than the weirdness of the i3.Unfortunately too small for the needs of my family (waiting for the iX3 which has the same cost per mile) but for a city car/runaround you won’t be able to beat this and will appeal to the same people that bought ICE minis i.e. those who want a perceived “premium” supermini. Sounds decent fun to drive too.
Well done BMW.
It's the second point that's going to become an issue I think. While they are very cheap to charge at the moment, that isn't going to last. I'm sure it will take a while, as I think mass EV adoption is still a few years off, but it will happen sooner or later. As more and more people shift away from ICE cars, the government will need to recoup the lost tax revenue. With smart meters and wall chargers in every home, special tariffs will no doubt be implemented on electricity rates when charging your car, so we'll end up back where we started financial I guess!
Jon_S_Rally said:
It's the second point that's going to become an issue I think. While they are very cheap to charge at the moment, that isn't going to last. I'm sure it will take a while, as I think mass EV adoption is still a few years off, but it will happen sooner or later. As more and more people shift away from ICE cars, the government will need to recoup the lost tax revenue. With smart meters and wall chargers in every home, special tariffs will no doubt be implemented on electricity rates when charging your car, so we'll end up back where we started financial I guess!
Whilst your not wrong, tax revenue will come from EV's (though I doubt on electricity), tne running costs gap to ice won't close, it'll likely get larger KJH said:
MrGeoff said:
KJH said:
This is a reskinned I3s model.
I think you're way off the mark with this. The i3s is a vastly different vehicle.
Have we gone back in time to the 80's ...
"As mentioned, it's borrowed from an i3 S, though with modifications for this front-wheel drive installation. It can reach 62mph in 7.3 seconds, ahead of a 93mph top speed."
And this surely taken as a joke if April 1st:
"The WLTP range is rated at 145 miles and, via a fast charger, that can be 80 per cent replenished in 36 minutes."
TX.
"As mentioned, it's borrowed from an i3 S, though with modifications for this front-wheel drive installation. It can reach 62mph in 7.3 seconds, ahead of a 93mph top speed."
And this surely taken as a joke if April 1st:
"The WLTP range is rated at 145 miles and, via a fast charger, that can be 80 per cent replenished in 36 minutes."
TX.
dinkel said:
sidesauce said:
What the hell is that monstrosity? Burn it with fire!
That monstrosity is going to do more to drive EV adoption than a £30k Mini.I'm hardly trying to find a reason not to go to the local Mini dealer. And I'm not joking.
As we have 2 cars in the family and my wife only drives about 400 miles per month this really ticks all the boxes.
Moreover we have solar panels and -being in Italy- I have calculated that in the worst case at least 1/3rd of the electricity per year could come from there. It could even be 50% if charged with some hindsight.
Of course if we'd take only maths into consideration, the cost difference with the equivalent ICE version would not make much sense as we'd probably look at 500 Euro fuel and about 150 € per year tax cost cutting, but I must admit I'm eager to see how it's in the real world.
As we have 2 cars in the family and my wife only drives about 400 miles per month this really ticks all the boxes.
Moreover we have solar panels and -being in Italy- I have calculated that in the worst case at least 1/3rd of the electricity per year could come from there. It could even be 50% if charged with some hindsight.
Of course if we'd take only maths into consideration, the cost difference with the equivalent ICE version would not make much sense as we'd probably look at 500 Euro fuel and about 150 € per year tax cost cutting, but I must admit I'm eager to see how it's in the real world.
TomTVR500 said:
Forgetting for a second that electric cars aren't the answer or the future. My biggest problem with this is the use of a Cooper S badge.... what's all that about?
For a start it's an insult to Mini Heritage and secondly, for the people buying this sort of car surely a badge signifying (at least until now) the hot petrol model in the lineup holds no allure? It's both insulting and nonsensical. Just put a badge saying "Expensive Model" or "Oh so virtuous" on the back so their neighbors know they are both keeping up with the Joneses and responsible "right thinking" middle class moral compasses and have done.
I get this but personally think it can be rationalised. It’s a decent performance at a decent price in this new electric world. For me the Cooper Diesel was much worse in respect of what you’re saying.For a start it's an insult to Mini Heritage and secondly, for the people buying this sort of car surely a badge signifying (at least until now) the hot petrol model in the lineup holds no allure? It's both insulting and nonsensical. Just put a badge saying "Expensive Model" or "Oh so virtuous" on the back so their neighbors know they are both keeping up with the Joneses and responsible "right thinking" middle class moral compasses and have done.
Edited by TomTVR500 on Friday 28th February 08:48
spikyone said:
This might work as a commuter car, but the range is pitiful for anyone that lives in the real world where you need to make longer journeys that aren't practical by public transport. .
Blah blah blahAnd an E63 would suck as a city car.
Why can't people understand that not every car is aimed at them? Seems to be a particular flaw of people who chose to live out in the country and feel they must loudly proclaim how awful the bus service is.
Bobby Lee said:
TomTVR500 said:
Forgetting for a second that electric cars aren't the answer or the future. My biggest problem with this is the use of a Cooper S badge.... what's all that about?
For a start it's an insult to Mini Heritage and secondly, for the people buying this sort of car surely a badge signifying (at least until now) the hot petrol model in the lineup holds no allure? It's both insulting and nonsensical. Just put a badge saying "Expensive Model" or "Oh so virtuous" on the back so their neighbors know they are both keeping up with the Joneses and responsible "right thinking" middle class moral compasses and have done.
I get this but personally think it can be rationalised. It’s a decent performance at a decent price in this new electric world. For me the Cooper Diesel was much worse in respect of what you’re saying.For a start it's an insult to Mini Heritage and secondly, for the people buying this sort of car surely a badge signifying (at least until now) the hot petrol model in the lineup holds no allure? It's both insulting and nonsensical. Just put a badge saying "Expensive Model" or "Oh so virtuous" on the back so their neighbors know they are both keeping up with the Joneses and responsible "right thinking" middle class moral compasses and have done.
Edited by TomTVR500 on Friday 28th February 08:48
It's not like the Cooper S has twin carbs any more!
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