Coronavirus = empty roads
Discussion
Zoobeef said:
Roma101 said:
In theory, if you were driving because you were doing one of the limited things we are allowed to do outside (obviously not exercising!), then you are allowed to drive. If not doing one of these things, I guess not. As to how that is to be enforced is anyone’s guess!
However, if you think about it, the new rules don’t make much sense. Garages are allowed to stay open, but taking your car to a garage does not strictly fall under one of the permitted excursions from home. So are you breaking the rules or not? If you are, what will all the mechanics be doing? Drinking tea?
Getting your car fixed would fall under essential as all transport is.However, if you think about it, the new rules don’t make much sense. Garages are allowed to stay open, but taking your car to a garage does not strictly fall under one of the permitted excursions from home. So are you breaking the rules or not? If you are, what will all the mechanics be doing? Drinking tea?
Drive the Noble to work tomorrow then, lovely day hopefully.
Also the bit about public gatherings is unclear as they are trying to apply that to workplace meetings. Workplace meetings are not public gatherings.
Just have to rely on common sense and let the authorities deal with those who don’t have any.
Roma101 said:
I would agree (on both points!) but, despite what people have said above, there are grey areas. The official govt doc says “shopping for basic necessities”. Taking a car to a garage is not strictly shopping for a basic necessity. It is, as you say, carrying out an essential task. Are essential tasks allowed to be undertaken even if they fall outside of the 4 rules?
Also the bit about public gatherings is unclear as they are trying to apply that to workplace meetings. Workplace meetings are not public gatherings.
Just have to rely on common sense and let the authorities deal with those who don’t have any.
So it looks like the authorities are going to be busy then! Also the bit about public gatherings is unclear as they are trying to apply that to workplace meetings. Workplace meetings are not public gatherings.
Just have to rely on common sense and let the authorities deal with those who don’t have any.
Reciprocating mass said:
That’s why the armed forces have been put on standby
To deal with the inevitable idiots and help out the police
Do you really think that will make any difference?To deal with the inevitable idiots and help out the police
That's exactly what it will say on the news channels, most people will see that and stay at home (good).
But the UK (real) population is getting close to 60m adults.
How many police and armed forces there are in total in the UK? Army = 80k. Police 125k....
And what is the max number that could be on duty at any one given time, lets say 8 am on Sunday morning, spread across the entire UK?
Even just apply them all to London, there are 8m people in London, how do you lock that down?
alextodrive said:
I dont doubt we'll see even more draconian measures taken soon by the government to try and protect the very people, who in large parts are too stupid to protect themselves and others.
Zoobeef said:
They are professionals doing their job. The point is, you class cooking for yourself as an acceptable risk and doing other things as not and then preach to others about what they class as an acceptable risk.
All I've seen is how self righteous the majority of people have become over all this and cant help but dictate what others should do.
Especially prevalent after that asked the pubs to close and for some reason the wider public took that as everyone had to stay at home a berated people for going outside.
How about you just use the governments own advice and isolate yourself to stay safe and leave everyone else to do what they want.
Funny re-reading your reply to me on Sunday Zoobeef.All I've seen is how self righteous the majority of people have become over all this and cant help but dictate what others should do.
Especially prevalent after that asked the pubs to close and for some reason the wider public took that as everyone had to stay at home a berated people for going outside.
How about you just use the governments own advice and isolate yourself to stay safe and leave everyone else to do what they want.
rallycross said:
Do you really think that will make any difference?
That's exactly what it will say on the news channels, most people will see that and stay at home (good).
But the UK (real) population is getting close to 60m adults.
How many police and armed forces there are in total in the UK? Army = 80k. Police 125k....
And what is the max number that could be on duty at any one given time, lets say 8 am on Sunday morning, spread across the entire UK?
Even just apply them all to London, there are 8m people in London, how do you lock that down?
The idea that 60m people would revolt against the new instructions, when the measures are in their own self interest, seems somewhat unlikely...That's exactly what it will say on the news channels, most people will see that and stay at home (good).
But the UK (real) population is getting close to 60m adults.
How many police and armed forces there are in total in the UK? Army = 80k. Police 125k....
And what is the max number that could be on duty at any one given time, lets say 8 am on Sunday morning, spread across the entire UK?
Even just apply them all to London, there are 8m people in London, how do you lock that down?
But say you did want to bring the country to a proper lockdown, with a small number of people still flouting the instructions. You'd bring the military in to put road blocks in place on all the major roads. A few well positioned tanks ought to do it. And the police would be free to roam the streets looking for anyone breaking the curfew.
Seems to be working just fine on the continent.
rallycross said:
Have think about it and see if you can fathom up a credible answer, maybe phone a friend when you get stuck.
What do you want me to say ? If people want to be a
holes ignore the advice given, have absolutely no moral compass then I don’t really have any answers other than I despair for this country 
Alextodrive said:
Funny re-reading your reply to me on Sunday Zoobeef.
The fact is, funny old thing it isnt a full lock down. It's exactly what I've said it would be. Close all the none essential shops and stop you seeing friends.What's been announced today wont change my routine at all, I'm still coming to work and popping to shops when I need. And I'll be in the garage tinkering with the race cars.
Yet still some that cant understand what's being told to them and trying to dictate to others the wrong information.
[quote=Reciprocating mass]
What do you want me to say ? If people want to be aholes ignore the advice given, have absolutely no moral compass then I don’t really have any answers other than I despair for this country [/quo
The majority are either just too thick and don't comprehend or are too lazy to even attempt to read up and try understand what's happening (too busy taking selfies or watching moron TV like Love Island).
We are 3 week behind Italy, give it a week and they might start to realise what is coming.
What do you want me to say ? If people want to be a
holes ignore the advice given, have absolutely no moral compass then I don’t really have any answers other than I despair for this country [/quoThe majority are either just too thick and don't comprehend or are too lazy to even attempt to read up and try understand what's happening (too busy taking selfies or watching moron TV like Love Island).
We are 3 week behind Italy, give it a week and they might start to realise what is coming.
rallycross]eciprocating mass said:
What do you want me to say ? If people want to be aholes ignore the advice given, have absolutely no moral compass then I don’t really have any answers other than I despair for this country [/quo
The majority are either just too thick and don't comprehend or are too lazy to even attempt to read up and try understand what's happening (too busy taking selfies or watching moron TV like Love Island).
We are 3 week behind Italy, give it a week and they might start to realise what is coming.
Yet our death rate is already dropping.holes ignore the advice given, have absolutely no moral compass then I don’t really have any answers other than I despair for this country [/quoThe majority are either just too thick and don't comprehend or are too lazy to even attempt to read up and try understand what's happening (too busy taking selfies or watching moron TV like Love Island).
We are 3 week behind Italy, give it a week and they might start to realise what is coming.
Zoobeef said:
The fact is, funny old thing it isnt a full lock down. It's exactly what I've said it would be. Close all the none essential shops and stop you seeing friends.
What's been announced today wont change my routine at all, I'm still coming to work and popping to shops when I need. And I'll be in the garage tinkering with the race cars.
Yet still some that cant understand what's being told to them and trying to dictate to others the wrong information.
Strange. I must have missed the bit in our conversation where you said they should close all non essential shops and stop people seeing friends. Maybe you said it earlier elsewhere, pre-your reply to me.What's been announced today wont change my routine at all, I'm still coming to work and popping to shops when I need. And I'll be in the garage tinkering with the race cars.
Yet still some that cant understand what's being told to them and trying to dictate to others the wrong information.
Seemed like it was me who was making the point that usually it's no big deal going for a blast in a car, or doing track days. But that right now it is. That if you can live without something for the time being, it is the responsible and moral thing to do.
And then you implied I was being self-righteous, I was being riskier by cooking at home and I should isolate myself and let other people mind their own business.
Funny really now we are where we are.
Enjoy the tinkering! I'm sure there will be a few cars that get some much deserved TLC up and down the country these next 3 weeks.
Here's my original post again for you:
Alextodrive said:
This isnt directed at you, or anyone in particular. Just my thoughts in response to the fair point you've made on proportionality.
We can't all go around in bubble wrap, taking no risks. Absolutely. Life to some extent, has to go on.
However the NHS already struggles at the best of times. If you know any nurses or doctors, pick their brains and ask them what it's normally like. I dated an intensive care nurse for 6 years, it's not a pretty picture how bad its been this past decade through austerity without this virus to deal with.
Then if you consider we have one of the lowest number of intensive care beds per 100k people in Europe, you can begin to understand why, even a relatively minor virus like this, is threatening to cripple our health system; which has a minimal capacity in intensive care as it is.
So we are being asked, or rather urged, to be cautious, to be responsible, to socially distance ourselves for the time being.
Yeah, going to the park with a few friends, isnt a big deal. Doing a track day, isnt a big deal. Going for a blast on your bike or in your car at the weekend, isnt a big deal. Usually.
But right now it is. If we all carry on as we are, the people who know better than we do, the people with the data and the science at hand are warning us we will spread the virus at an unmanageable rate. And we will have crashes and accidents that take up hospital time and possibly space, we needn't otherwise. If you can live without something for the time being, it is the responsible and moral thing to do.
And if people dont care, that says an awful lot about them, their intellect and their moral compass.
I dont doubt we'll see even more draconian measures taken soon by the government to try and protect the very people, who in large parts are too stupid to protect themselves and others.
We can't all go around in bubble wrap, taking no risks. Absolutely. Life to some extent, has to go on.
However the NHS already struggles at the best of times. If you know any nurses or doctors, pick their brains and ask them what it's normally like. I dated an intensive care nurse for 6 years, it's not a pretty picture how bad its been this past decade through austerity without this virus to deal with.
Then if you consider we have one of the lowest number of intensive care beds per 100k people in Europe, you can begin to understand why, even a relatively minor virus like this, is threatening to cripple our health system; which has a minimal capacity in intensive care as it is.
So we are being asked, or rather urged, to be cautious, to be responsible, to socially distance ourselves for the time being.
Yeah, going to the park with a few friends, isnt a big deal. Doing a track day, isnt a big deal. Going for a blast on your bike or in your car at the weekend, isnt a big deal. Usually.
But right now it is. If we all carry on as we are, the people who know better than we do, the people with the data and the science at hand are warning us we will spread the virus at an unmanageable rate. And we will have crashes and accidents that take up hospital time and possibly space, we needn't otherwise. If you can live without something for the time being, it is the responsible and moral thing to do.
And if people dont care, that says an awful lot about them, their intellect and their moral compass.
I dont doubt we'll see even more draconian measures taken soon by the government to try and protect the very people, who in large parts are too stupid to protect themselves and others.
Alextodrive said:
Zoobeef said:
The fact is, funny old thing it isnt a full lock down. It's exactly what I've said it would be. Close all the none essential shops and stop you seeing friends.
What's been announced today wont change my routine at all, I'm still coming to work and popping to shops when I need. And I'll be in the garage tinkering with the race cars.
Yet still some that cant understand what's being told to them and trying to dictate to others the wrong information.
Strange. I must have missed the bit in our conversation where you said they should close all non essential shops and stop people seeing friends. Maybe you said it earlier elsewhere, pre-your reply to me.What's been announced today wont change my routine at all, I'm still coming to work and popping to shops when I need. And I'll be in the garage tinkering with the race cars.
Yet still some that cant understand what's being told to them and trying to dictate to others the wrong information.
Seemed like it was me who was making the point that usually it's no big deal going for a blast in a car, or doing track days. But that right now it is. That if you can live without something for the time being, it is the responsible and moral thing to do.
And then you implied I was being self-righteous, I was being riskier by cooking at home and I should isolate myself and let other people mind their own business.
Funny really now we are where we are.
Enjoy the tinkering! I'm sure there will be a few cars that get some much deserved TLC up and down the country these next 3 weeks.
Alextodrive said:
This isnt directed at you, or anyone in particular. Just my thoughts in response to the fair point you've made on proportionality.
We can't all go around in bubble wrap, taking no risks. Absolutely. Life to some extent, has to go on.
However the NHS already struggles at the best of times. If you know any nurses or doctors, pick their brains and ask them what it's normally like. I dated an intensive care nurse for 6 years, it's not a pretty picture how bad its been this past decade through austerity without this virus to deal with.
Then if you consider we have one of the lowest number of intensive care beds per 100k people in Europe, you can begin to understand why, even a relatively minor virus like this, is threatening to cripple our health system; which has a minimal capacity in intensive care as it is.
So we are being asked, or rather urged, to be cautious, to be responsible, to socially distance ourselves for the time being.
Yeah, going to the park with a few friends, isnt a big deal. Doing a track day, isnt a big deal. Going for a blast on your bike or in your car at the weekend, isnt a big deal. Usually.
But right now it is. If we all carry on as we are, the people who know better than we do, the people with the data and the science at hand are warning us we will spread the virus at an unmanageable rate. And we will have crashes and accidents that take up hospital time and possibly space, we needn't otherwise. If you can live without something for the time being, it is the responsible and moral thing to do.
And if people dont care, that says an awful lot about them, their intellect and their moral compass.
I dont doubt we'll see even more draconian measures taken soon by the government to try and protect the very people, who in large parts are too stupid to protect themselves and others.
We can't all go around in bubble wrap, taking no risks. Absolutely. Life to some extent, has to go on.
However the NHS already struggles at the best of times. If you know any nurses or doctors, pick their brains and ask them what it's normally like. I dated an intensive care nurse for 6 years, it's not a pretty picture how bad its been this past decade through austerity without this virus to deal with.
Then if you consider we have one of the lowest number of intensive care beds per 100k people in Europe, you can begin to understand why, even a relatively minor virus like this, is threatening to cripple our health system; which has a minimal capacity in intensive care as it is.
So we are being asked, or rather urged, to be cautious, to be responsible, to socially distance ourselves for the time being.
Yeah, going to the park with a few friends, isnt a big deal. Doing a track day, isnt a big deal. Going for a blast on your bike or in your car at the weekend, isnt a big deal. Usually.
But right now it is. If we all carry on as we are, the people who know better than we do, the people with the data and the science at hand are warning us we will spread the virus at an unmanageable rate. And we will have crashes and accidents that take up hospital time and possibly space, we needn't otherwise. If you can live without something for the time being, it is the responsible and moral thing to do.
And if people dont care, that says an awful lot about them, their intellect and their moral compass.
I dont doubt we'll see even more draconian measures taken soon by the government to try and protect the very people, who in large parts are too stupid to protect themselves and others.
Its self-righteous, not needed and not helpful in the slightest.
Zoobeef said:
There are still people being self righteous, in the other thread (one of many) berating people for going to work even though nowhere in the PM statement did it say you shouldn't. Just because THEY dont want to do it, doesnt mean they should berate anyone that does and make out that they are the better person for not doing it.
Its self-righteous, not needed and not helpful in the slightest.
Strange that you decided to reply and quote me, when I did nothing of the sort. Dont you think?Its self-righteous, not needed and not helpful in the slightest.
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