Anybody won one of those car lotteries?
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sdh2903 said:
vRSDave said:
Also nobody HAD to pay for, everyone has the option to enter via postal.
In which case these car lotteries would cease to exist entirely. Top logic.Edited by vRSDave on Tuesday 2nd April 15:00
kharma45 said:
I can’t believe we’re at the stage of some being in the ‘oh no won’t someone think of the poor competition sites’ camp over postal entries 
I dont think anyone has said that?It just feels off to me that yes you can enter a raffle for free, but should you? at the remaining players cost? pushing prices and odds up?
At best you should be restricted to one a week or something. But guess its clear some people's morals dont work in the same way.
sdh2903 said:
At best you should be restricted to one a week or something. But guess its clear some people's morals dont work in the same way.
You cab't just make up random rules regarding the postal entry method, the legislation is clear in the Gambling Act 2005 says "should not recognise the two routes as different." which translated means you should be able to entered into the draw in the same fashion, same entry list, be allowed to enter the same amount as paid entries (i.e. up to 10 per draw or what ever the paid entries allow) Gambling Act 2005 - Legislation Gov Website
The free entry method is what allows these competition websites to run without licence and its the interest of these websites to abide to these rules as with the explosion in popularity they don't want to raise their heads above the parapet and get regulated / require a licence to operate.
sdh2903 said:
I dont think anyone has said that?
It just feels off to me that yes you can enter a raffle for free, but should you? at the remaining players cost? pushing prices and odds up?
At best you should be restricted to one a week or something. But guess its clear some people's morals dont work in the same way.
Crying about ‘people’s morals’ with regards to postal entries is exactly what I was getting at. Who gives a toss? They’re not some charity being cheated. It just feels off to me that yes you can enter a raffle for free, but should you? at the remaining players cost? pushing prices and odds up?
At best you should be restricted to one a week or something. But guess its clear some people's morals dont work in the same way.
You can’t put made up once a week restrictions on postal entries. If they really didn’t like it, they can apply for a licence from the Gambling Commission although that’ll bring increased scrutiny on them which I would imagine they’re happy to avoid and hence suck up the ‘free’ entry route.
If postal entries had an impact of profitability of these competitions, they could undercut the price of a stamp, and increase the maximum tickets, perhaps as bundles to increase the odds.
As an interesting aside bauer media (planet rock etc...) used to do paid text & phone entry, and free online entry (as the competitors were same day, they couldn't do post) but they have now changed to paid text and online, with free phone entry, so they were clearly impacted by the ease of free online entry.
As an interesting aside bauer media (planet rock etc...) used to do paid text & phone entry, and free online entry (as the competitors were same day, they couldn't do post) but they have now changed to paid text and online, with free phone entry, so they were clearly impacted by the ease of free online entry.
Max5476 said:
If postal entries had an impact of profitability of these competitions, they could undercut the price of a stamp, and increase the maximum tickets, perhaps as bundles to increase the odds.
The Gambling Act 2005 covers this, the take away is:- the free entry route is not more expensive than the paid route
- the free entry route is not less convenient than the paid route
- the method for allocating prizes does not differentiate between the free and paid routes
- the free entry route is displayed as prominently as the paid route
Yoda912 said:
Saleen836 said:
Just spoken with a mate who owns a 2005 Mustang has today won a 2016 Mustang + £3k today with rev Comps
Great win, that mustang looked the dogs! At least it’s went to a worthy home.
Oceanrower said:
sdh2903 said:
vRSDave said:
Also nobody HAD to pay for, everyone has the option to enter via postal.
In which case these car lotteries would cease to exist entirely. Top logic.Edited by vRSDave on Tuesday 2nd April 15:00
FishAndChips said:
Imagine being embarrassed by winning via postal entry, this forum eh. 
What's wrong with being embarrassed that you are freeloading off everyone else. I would be embarrassed but I guess that's just my morale compass. That said, I'd have never sent the postcards in the first place. If I want a ticket as I often do, I put my hand in my pocket like so many others do and buy one. If we didn't do that, there would be no competition sites lets be honest.Sadly the world is full of leeches that think the world owes them something for nothing.
Cheshire-Cat said:
What's wrong with being embarrassed that you are freeloading off everyone else. I would be embarrassed but I guess that's just my morale compass. That said, I'd have never sent the postcards in the first place. If I want a ticket as I often do, I put my hand in my pocket like so many others do and buy one. If we didn't do that, there would be no competition sites lets be honest.
Sadly the world is full of leeches that think the world owes them something for nothing.
Sadly the world is full of leeches that think the world owes them something for nothing.
Cheshire-Cat said:
Just because you can send in postcards doesn't mean you should. Its a choice, you know you are collectively forcing the price up for everyone else, the more postcards the more everyone has to pay towards the freeloaders (sorry but that's what it is).
I guess we will have to agree to disagree- the free entry route is arguably less expensive for the raffle companies than running legit as a regulated lottery (otherwise at least one of them would have done it) and it’s likely that the “extra” cost created by postal entries is such a small amount in comparison to marketing spend alone that it’s unlikely to be significant- if it was my business I’d want to understand roughly how many postal entries id expect to receive and factor it into my costs treating it as another expense in a similar vein to the free credit giveaways, bonus draws, free hoodies/prizes etc. as these all also effectively contribute to the ticket cost (looking at Revcomps alone they give away several grands worth of prizes every week during live draws (on top of the site credit) for which there is no alternative way to pay for entry, which also has to be covered by ticket sales…. )The successful sites are generally run by pretty savvy people who will have considered the benefits and costs of going the legally licensed lottery route verses offering free entry/skill based games and there’s probably very good reason that (as far as I’ve seen) all of them have gone with the latter- it’s likely to be both cheaper for them and less restrictive to offer free entry.
All of these sites are effectively exploiting a loophole in the gambling act that allows them to operate- but some are really pushing their luck (instawins, <90p tickets etc.) which is far more likely to ruin things for everyone in the long run, as if that loophole gets closed and all the comp sites are forced to go the licensed route it really is likely to push up prices for everyone or make the businesses completely unviable.
Edited by Timfy on Tuesday 2nd April 22:22
kharma45 said:
sdh2903 said:
I dont think anyone has said that?
It just feels off to me that yes you can enter a raffle for free, but should you? at the remaining players cost? pushing prices and odds up?
At best you should be restricted to one a week or something. But guess its clear some people's morals dont work in the same way.
Crying about ‘people’s morals’ with regards to postal entries is exactly what I was getting at. Who gives a toss? They’re not some charity being cheated. It just feels off to me that yes you can enter a raffle for free, but should you? at the remaining players cost? pushing prices and odds up?
At best you should be restricted to one a week or something. But guess its clear some people's morals dont work in the same way.
You can’t put made up once a week restrictions on postal entries. If they really didn’t like it, they can apply for a licence from the Gambling Commission although that’ll bring increased scrutiny on them which I would imagine they’re happy to avoid and hence suck up the ‘free’ entry route.
Cheshire-Cat said:
No, they are not being cheated at all, those costs of free tickets are passed on to other players who pay for their tickets. The competition companies will not be out of pocket but those who pay for their tickets will
Out of pocket? No one is being forced to buy one or suffering unknown/unforeseen losses.Sounds like you should be lobbying the competition sites to get a gambling license rather than crying about a handful of postcard entries. That would make it fair, both for players and the sites. No more free entries and increased scrutiny on them.
kharma45 said:
Out of pocket? No one is being forced to buy one or suffering unknown/unforeseen losses.
Sounds like you should be lobbying the competition sites to get a gambling license rather than crying about a handful of postcard entries. That would make it fair, both for players and the sites. No more free entries and increased scrutiny on them.
And that’s the very last thing they want. Sounds like you should be lobbying the competition sites to get a gambling license rather than crying about a handful of postcard entries. That would make it fair, both for players and the sites. No more free entries and increased scrutiny on them.
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