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[lemansky]

SpeckledJim said:

What was the reg of that car being irresponsibly sold with dangerous corrosion to safety-critical components?

Was it R770 XSW, or R770XSW?

Difficult to tell.

I'd say R770 XSW.
But it could be R770XSW.

[Krikkit]

Zonergem said:

Although MB might be rendering that coolant temperature sensor NLA I'm sure I have one like it from Bosch for an M103 cylinder car (with Bosch KE-Jetronic fuelling) so I'd hope there's still something being produced or stocked.

Temp sensors will be pretty easy to replace - you need a known-reasonable one to map the response curve for, then you could have a multitude of fixes to sort it, ranging from cross-refs with other brands/cars/fitments that are close enough, to a more sophisticated alternative in an arduino, thermocouple and a bit of code.

[LetsTryAgain]

Just how dim/foolish would I have to be to replace my W211 with this as the every day/dog motor?

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Range-Rover-Vogue-4-4-P...

Advert reads well but quality/standard dips at the end when he does the usual 'nothing serious, 'cheap/easy fix' etc etc
If it's that simple/cheap/easy to fix - bloody fix it!!

[Krikkit]

LetsTryAgain said:

Just how dim/foolish would I have to be to replace my W211 with this as the every day/dog motor?

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Range-Rover-Vogue-4-4-P...

Advert reads well but quality/standard dips at the end when he does the usual 'nothing serious, 'cheap/easy fix' etc etc
If it's that simple/cheap/easy to fix - bloody fix it!!

It'll probably break, but at that money you'd get most of it back just whacking it up as spares and repairs.

[Nicks90]

Krikkit said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Just how dim/foolish would I have to be to replace my W211 with this as the every day/dog motor?

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Range-Rover-Vogue-4-4-P...

Advert reads well but quality/standard dips at the end when he does the usual 'nothing serious, 'cheap/easy fix' etc etc
If it's that simple/cheap/easy to fix - bloody fix it!!

It'll probably break, but at that money you'd get most of it back just whacking it up as spares and repairs.

I read that ad as - it was pissing oil everywhere so replaced some gaskets, but it's still pissing oil from EVERYWHERE so I'm getting shut of the thing. Yes that little O ring leaks, but so does every other fekkin orifice in the engine bay! But if I dress it up as a simple fix and give it an engine clean before some gullible twerp shows up, I might get rid of it for more than 'spares or repair'

[LetsTryAgain]

Nicks90 said:

I read that ad as - it was pissing oil everywhere so replaced some gaskets, but it's still pissing oil from EVERYWHERE so I'm getting shut of the thing. Yes that little O ring leaks, but so does every other fekkin orifice in the engine bay! But if I dress it up as a simple fix and give it an engine clean before some gullible twerp shows up, I might get rid of it for more than 'spares or repair'

I like your cynicism.

[r129sl]

Zonergem said:

Although MB might be rendering that coolant temperature sensor NLA I'm sure I have one like it from Bosch for an M103 cylinder car (with Bosch KE-Jetronic fuelling) so I'd hope there's still something being produced or stocked.

Massive aftermarket availability: https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/a008542321...

Great tale about the CL600. Shocking rust, had it been stored under the sea???

[dscam]

r129sl said:

Great tale about the CL600. Shocking rust, had it been stored under the sea???

Apropos of not much, if that registration R770 XSW or indeed R770XSW is original the car will likely have hailed from the south west of Scotland, or possibly Cumbria. A fair bit of winter salt is not uncommon but it looks like that’s been used to do laps of the storage depot on a daily basis.

Amazing it last had an MOT just two years ago...

History on the tests not horrific but ‘slight play in steering components’ made me chuckle.

If the price was £2k cheaper and the ad more explicitly stated it was for sales or repair all would have been a lot less suspect. Sounds like the engine wasn’t shot and as a parts car there would be decent value in it.

[Macron]

Why did they keep your £100? Did you give it as non-refundable?

[Krikkit]

LetsTryAgain said:

Nicks90 said:

I read that ad as - it was pissing oil everywhere so replaced some gaskets, but it's still pissing oil from EVERYWHERE so I'm getting shut of the thing. Yes that little O ring leaks, but so does every other fekkin orifice in the engine bay! But if I dress it up as a simple fix and give it an engine clean before some gullible twerp shows up, I might get rid of it for more than 'spares or repair'

I like your cynicism.

What LR product over 10 years old doesn't leak a bit of oil? Wouldn't bother me unless it's a torrent.

[phil_cardiff]

tiger roll said:

phil_cardiff said:

CharlesdeGaulle said:

Macron said:

cornershop said:

Bit of Swedish oomph
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1199044

Good spot. Old enough for cheap tax, werthers enough to fly under the radar. Seats look lovely. Keenly priced with those miles too.

I enjoyed mine. They are really good cars. Such a pity what happened to Saab.

I look back fondly on mine but it was a bit if a mixed ownership experience. I do miss the midrange torque.

Why mixed, if I may ask? What were the minuses?

There was always something minor wrong with it though it never left me stranded. And I didn't like the feel of the steering, brakes and gear change. A had just sold an MX-5 though.

Overall the positives outweighed the negatives and I'd have another but wouldn't rush to do so.

[lemansky]

dscam said:

Apropos of not much, if that registration R770 XSW or indeed R770XSW is original the car will likely have hailed from the south west of Scotland, or possibly Cumbria.

Nice spot. If R770 XSW or R770XSW had originated from Scotland, it might explain the dreadful rust situation.

Look at the state of that rust on you, R770 XSW.

Or, R770XSW.

You rusty R770 XSW, you.
Or, R770XSW.

[728 days later]

Nicks90 said:

Krikkit said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Just how dim/foolish would I have to be to replace my W211 with this as the every day/dog motor?

-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Range-Rover-Vogue-4-4-P...

Advert reads well but quality/standard dips at the end when he does the usual 'nothing serious, 'cheap/easy fix' etc etc
If it's that simple/cheap/easy to fix - bloody fix it!!

It'll probably break, but at that money you'd get most of it back just whacking it up as spares and repairs.

I read that ad as - it was pissing oil everywhere so replaced some gaskets, but it's still pissing oil from EVERYWHERE so I'm getting shut of the thing. Yes that little O ring leaks, but so does every other fekkin orifice in the engine bay! But if I dress it up as a simple fix and give it an engine clean before some gullible twerp shows up, I might get rid of it for more than 'spares or repair'

I’ve had my eye on this one on AT, low owners, very good mot history with an oil leak sorted last year

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[JOB2.5-16]

XSW is a Scotland registration for sure but I know the car was sold by WDM cars in Birmingham in around 2008 and maintained by then until c.2016. I was told by the guy there when I phoned that it ‘was’ a decent car and that the owner we took good care of it. I understand he’s sadly suffered health problems since, hence the elapse off the MOT. With this knowledge I didn’t think the Scotland connection too much of a concern. I was wrong.

As to whether we were legally entitled to our £100 back or not, I think the simple answer is no. A deposit is a contract for the sale of goods and can only be broken through mis-description or some other kind of mutual agreement.

I have been in the position where I sold a car unseen to a dealer in Eastbourne, took a deposit and delivered the car on the trailer one Sunday morning. I got all the way there and the chap wasn’t happy with it and wanted his deposit back, entirely unreasonably. He did a lot of shouting and balling, but didn’t get his deposit back as it had cost me as much to waste my day.

Under normal circumstances I don’t like taking deposits when I sell a car because it leads to all sorts of potential fiascos. I would, however, refund all but the cost of re-advertising as I’m not out to score points or go to the pub on the back of someone's wasted day out. It’s never happened because I’d like to say no one coming to look at one of my cars will meet anything not covered in the advert or s*%t load of photos they are provided with before arrival (salt free climes of Ireland and all lol).

Our man on Wednesday saw fit not to refund our deposit, and I wasn’t about to waste 10 minutes of my life and loads of breath arguing the toss. In comparison to a likely wheel jettison and a certain ££££ in welding bills; we thought 50 bob a piece for one of life’s lessons wasn’t the worst outcome. Still, tosser.

Edited by JOB2.5-16 on Friday 22 May 07:30

[MercedesClassic]

728 days later said:

Nicks90 said:

Krikkit said:

LetsTryAgain said:

Just how dim/foolish would I have to be to replace my W211 with this as the every day/dog motor?

-

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Range-Rover-Vogue-4-4-P...

Advert reads well but quality/standard dips at the end when he does the usual 'nothing serious, 'cheap/easy fix' etc etc
If it's that simple/cheap/easy to fix - bloody fix it!!

It'll probably break, but at that money you'd get most of it back just whacking it up as spares and repairs.

I read that ad as - it was pissing oil everywhere so replaced some gaskets, but it's still pissing oil from EVERYWHERE so I'm getting shut of the thing. Yes that little O ring leaks, but so does every other fekkin orifice in the engine bay! But if I dress it up as a simple fix and give it an engine clean before some gullible twerp shows up, I might get rid of it for more than 'spares or repair'

I’ve had my eye on this one on AT, low owners, very good mot history with an oil leak sorted last year

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

Thankfully the brown leather scrubbed up cream. Looks neat and hasn't been tarted up which keeps the design pure. I'd like a threader to buy a FFRR so we can find out what they are like.

[swampy442]

Zonergem said:

Although MB might be rendering that coolant temperature sensor NLA I'm sure I have one like it from Bosch for an M103 cylinder car (with Bosch KE-Jetronic fuelling) so I'd hope there's still something being produced or stocked.

Can I pick some Merc beard brains please? My brother has a W124 300 CE-24 with the M104 engine, he has a problem where it will cold start perectly, idle up for about 30 seconds then suddenly drop to 500rpm, could the coolant sensor be the reason?

[swampy442]

JOB2.5-16 said:

Untitled by Jack O'Brien, on Flickr

Untitled by Jack O'Brien, on Flickr

Thats terrifying

[JOB2.5-16]

swampy442 said:

Can I pick some Merc beard brains please? My brother has a W124 300 CE-24 with the M104 engine, he has a problem where it will cold start perectly, idle up for about 30 seconds then suddenly drop to 500rpm, could the coolant sensor be the reason?

Does the idle remain low all the time after that or does it return to normal after an amount of time? Does it ever completely cut out? Sounds like a possible cold start valve issue so far.

[dscam]

JOB2.5-16 said:

XSW is a Scotland registration for sure but I know the car was sold by WDM cars in Birmingham in around 2008 and maintained by then until c.2016. I was told by the guy there when I phoned that it ‘was’ a decent car and that the owner we took good care of it.

Edited by JOB2.5-16 on Friday 22 May 07:30

I’d be curious about that assessment up until 2016 because that rust looks very much longer-term, and given there was a reasonably clean MOT history until 2 years ago I’d be astonished if it had got that bad in just 2 years with apparently no mileage covered. Suspect MOT tester at the very least.

Academic anyway I guess. It’s a sh*t box and appreciate the public service in putting the evidence out there. Caveat emptor and all that.

[olly755]

I'd imagine the above C140 was parked up in a soaking field covered in moss and st with 4x flat tyres until very recently, looking very much like the scrapper that it obviously is. Not difficult to see how a good wash 'n wax, some tyre jizzle and a couple of nice photographs would draw you in.