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[Krikkit]

ian316 said:

SpeckledJim said:

Even if it's down to 50% it'll still be more than I need for 98% of my daily journeys.

The market under used electric cars is expanding more quickly than electric cars are ageing, so values are very stable.

In three years with my leaf it has doubled in age, and I've tripled its mileage (22 to 66k), and it's still worth within £2k of the £9k I paid.

(No noticeable battery degradation at all in that time, and wiper blades have been the most expensive maintenance item, besides tyres)

With the tiny amount of mileage I do normally two trips one there on monday one back on friday, electric cars do interest me but the thought of having a dodgy battery suddenly going from 25% to nothing like phones do as they get older is the problem for me

In a few more years, once it nature's a little, it'll be easy to get the batteries repaired- bad cells are easy to identify, you could swap ones from crashed cars etc. There's already a few places doing it, and it's a growth industry.

harrykul said:

Id second the fragility point above. My 2010 e91 died with high pressure diesel pump failure. A very messy and expensive fix. Based on that and the stories of v8s on this forum, I don't think I'd buy a BMW out of warranty again.

My neighbor has an E91 335d that has the same issue, wouldn't touch a diesel of theirs again without pre-emptively doing a load of maintenance, at which point you may as well have a petrol and pay it back at the pumps.

[SpeckledJim]

ian316 said:

SpeckledJim said:

Even if it's down to 50% it'll still be more than I need for 98% of my daily journeys.

The market under used electric cars is expanding more quickly than electric cars are ageing, so values are very stable.

In three years with my leaf it has doubled in age, and I've tripled its mileage (22 to 66k), and it's still worth within £2k of the £9k I paid.

(No noticeable battery degradation at all in that time, and wiper blades have been the most expensive maintenance item, besides tyres)

With the tiny amount of mileage I do normally two trips one there on monday one back on friday, electric cars do interest me but the thought of having a dodgy battery suddenly going from 25% to nothing like phones do as they get older is the problem for me

I honestly think that fear is unfounded. I've 'rolled the dice' quite a few times in the Leaf, getting down to zero indicated range, and so far it's been fine.

I think the range indicator in an electric car is likely much more accurate than that in an ICE car, simply by virtue of the different methods used to gauge it.

[Macron]

ian316 said:

Northbrook said:

Good morning, chaps (and any quietly-lurking chapesses).

I had some sobering news over the weekend - my cousin was killed in a car accident (fire) last week.

We don't yet know what happened, but it's a timely reminder to respect your car's inherent danger, and to keep safe.

Here's wishing everyone years of comfy bargemiles to come.

Sorry for your loss

Amen to that, sincere condolences.

[NewUsername]

harrykul said:

Id second the fragility point above. My 2010 e91 died with high pressure diesel pump failure. A very messy and expensive fix. Based on that and the stories of v8s on this forum, I don't think I'd buy a BMW out of warranty again.

I could riposte with my e91 320d which is serviced correctly, just hit 135k and drives beautifully

[jwpepper]

Krikkit said:

Anyone in our noble band hand an F10? They're creeping towards thread in petrol form now, although a lot of the big-engined ones are miles away yet, the odd 523i is getting there.

e.g. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202... Up for thread budget before haggle.



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Quite handsome cars, and a nice-looking interior superficially. Never been in one though.

Yes had a 535i in Luxury spec. Was superb if a little thirsty round the doors. Big car but never felt particularly spacious inside. Aside from an electric water pump giving up the ghost at 85k had no problems.

Edited by jwpepper on Monday 1st June 22:13

[slicknic]

SpeckledJim said:

I think this is a significantly nicer car than the S212. But the diesels have terrible reputations for frailty. I don't know if that's fully merited or not.

All the diesels are prone to issues with the EGR cooler. I had this happen on my F10 530d At 4 years old and 70k miles. It also melted the inlet manifold as part of the same fault. It would have cost around £3k to fix, but BMW did agree to pay for the parts. Labour was £600.

There is a recall for that fault now.

Edited by slicknic on Monday 1st June 23:25

[cat220]

I thought this might be of interest here, barge related as it involves a G-Wagen. What a trip...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29521102

[cat220]

jwpepper said:

Krikkit said:

Anyone in our noble band hand an F10? They're creeping towards thread in petrol form now, although a lot of the big-engined ones are miles away yet, the odd 523i is getting there.

e.g. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202... Up for thread budget before haggle.



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Quite handsome cars, and a nice-looking interior superficially. Never been in one though.

Yes had a 535i in Luxury spec. Was superb if a little thirsty round the doors. Big car but never felt particularly spacious inside. Aside from an electric water pump giving up the ghost at 85k had no problems.

Edited by jwpepper on Monday 1st June 22:13

The market for that 523i must be tiny, 10 years old and over 160k mikes yet almost 5k. I reckon it will be up for a while!
(I do realise the market for most things on this thread is tiny but that struck me a being even smaller)

[tobinen]

MoT day - car dropped off to the garage, key through letterbox. It's a waiting game now. I am optimistic.

[therealsamdailly]

cat220 said:

I thought this might be of interest here, barge related as it involves a G-Wagen. What a trip...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-29521102

Awesome, just given that a skim. It definitely warrants my full attention at some point today

[Macron]

Isn't the basic issue with the F10/1 that everyone bought diesel? Which is good as there are heaps in thread, but bad because they're diesel. Same prob as the F01 7, from the last vol, derv now flirting with thread- 5750.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Cheapest petrol, an example of one at 6k, 176k. Most are an awful lot more.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Edited by Macron on Tuesday 2nd June 08:52

[Krikkit]

Macron said:

Isn't the basic issue with the F10/1 that everyone bought diesel? Which is good as there are heaps in thread, but bad because they're diesel. Same prob as the F01 7, from the last vol, derv now flirting with thread- 5750.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Cheapest petrol, an example of one at 6k, 176k. Most are an awful lot more.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Yep this is the biggest problem with both - they were being sold at the apex of diesel, hence the petrol ones are vanishingly rare and difficult to get. Same story with the F30 3-series as well (although most of those aren't bargey)

[SpeckledJim]

Krikkit said:

Macron said:

Isn't the basic issue with the F10/1 that everyone bought diesel? Which is good as there are heaps in thread, but bad because they're diesel. Same prob as the F01 7, from the last vol, derv now flirting with thread- 5750.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Cheapest petrol, an example of one at 6k, 176k. Most are an awful lot more.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Yep this is the biggest problem with both - they were being sold at the apex of diesel, hence the petrol ones are vanishingly rare and difficult to get. Same story with the F30 3-series as well (although most of those aren't bargey)

That in itself doesn't really bother me. A good diesel engine is fine with me for what we use it for. But a crap, flaky diesel engine is a big problem if there aren't any petrol alternatives in the parc.

The F10 interior is magnitudes nicer than the Astra-esque W212, IMO.

[W00DY]

Macron said:

Cheapest petrol, an example of one at 6k, 176k. Most are an awful lot more.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2020...

Nicely specced thing and looks good for the miles. Bet it'd go well with a remap.

[Krikkit]

It looks like it's worn the miles well too - certainly that colour scheme ticks my purchase boxes.

As noted by SJ, much nicer than a W212 of the era with its Currys stereo dashboard.

Edited by Krikkit on Tuesday 2nd June 10:18

[CharlesdeGaulle]

tobinen said:

MoT day - car dropped off to the garage, key through letterbox. It's a waiting game now. I am optimistic.

Fingers crossed; always something of a nervously anticipatory wait!

[Jim the Sunderer]

That 523i with ~200BHP out of 3 litres is a little disappointing, maybe it's down on power on purpose.

[Krikkit]

Jim the Sunderer said:

That 523i with ~200BHP out of 3 litres is a little disappointing, maybe it's down on power on purpose.

It looks like it is - I think it's a detuned version of the N52B30 which should be 240hp as standard in the 528i, and possibly more with a remap.

[AlfaManc]

cat220 said:

The market for that 523i must be tiny, 10 years old and over 160k mikes yet almost 5k. I reckon it will be up for a while!
(I do realise the market for most things on this thread is tiny but that struck me a being even smaller)

I have a 2010 528i SE, bought three years ago with about 55k on the clock for around double thread budget. From 2012, BMW replaced the six cylinder engine with a turbo charged four cylinder variant in the 528i.

My impressions ? Looks are subjective and to my eye, a bit dull, but this is an impressive car. It crushes mileage with ease and comfort. The 255 bhp engine is certainly adequate for a car of this size, build quality is excellent (no rattles or squeaks after ten years), the interior has worn well. and apart from general maintenance, the car has performed faultlessly.

If I was buying now, I'd look at a 528 or 530, and budget £8K for something with lower mileage. The F10 obviously doesn't compare to the CL500 or some of the other exotica seen on this thread, but as an everyday proposition for a family car, it does the job very well.

[drophead]

slicknic said:

SpeckledJim said:

I think this is a significantly nicer car than the S212. But the diesels have terrible reputations for frailty. I don't know if that's fully merited or not.

All the diesels are prone to issues with the EGR cooler. I had this happen on my F10 530d At 4 years old and 70k miles. It also melted the inlet manifold as part of the same fault. It would have cost around £3k to fix, but BMW did agree to pay for the parts. Labour was £600.

There is a recall for that fault now.

Edited by slicknic on Monday 1st June 23:25

It's disappointing that they can't get their diesels right as even the 4 cylinder ones tend to be a little less grumbly than competitors. BMW just can't engineer an EGR system that is reliable. I thought they'd have learnt from the N47 etc era but the B series (latest) engines look to be suffering as well.

Anyway, enough about the devil's juice.

In a similar vein to W00DY's post, here's a delightfully all caps ad (there's a lot of "FULLY LOADED!!") for a 22k mile 745i with a rather clean MOT history for thread max with a fair and firm haggle:



https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...

Edited by drophead on Tuesday 2nd June 13:47