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Macron said:
Diesel schmiesel, Honda Accord Tourer, 2.4 petrol with all the toys, mid thread, as good economy as a Volvo with none of the DPF/ EGR stuff. Plenty are cheaper, inc the 2.0 with better economy again.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
And yes, it looks like a hearse, but a V70 is hardly a Vogue cover model. And no, the rugged looks of the XC are not going to make Martin from Accounts look like an outdoorsy type. It’s an estate.
Cracking cars. Always wanted a 2.4 type s tourer , or the executive for thread status!!https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
And yes, it looks like a hearse, but a V70 is hardly a Vogue cover model. And no, the rugged looks of the XC are not going to make Martin from Accounts look like an outdoorsy type. It’s an estate.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Speed addicted said:
swampy442 said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Mind you I don't really care -I filled up with 98 RON Super Plus at 45 cents/litre yesterday
Why has nobody acknowledged this fact?!Is it a UK-centric thing that our car insurance is so cheap?
biggbn said:
Weas said:
W00DY said:
Thanks guys, lots of good stuff there. I did like that example as I tend to think diesels like to work and miles area, but 4c shocks is probably one to avoid, although it is very close so possibly worth a look. 35mpg is a bit disappointing though. XC70 would be nice for mountain biking duites.
The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
35mpg was with lord gears, I'm sure the manual would do better on fuel.The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
biggbn said:
Weas said:
W00DY said:
Thanks guys, lots of good stuff there. I did like that example as I tend to think diesels like to work and miles area, but 4c shocks is probably one to avoid, although it is very close so possibly worth a look. 35mpg is a bit disappointing though. XC70 would be nice for mountain biking duites.
The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
35mpg was with lord gears, I'm sure the manual would do better on fuel.The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
It's the earlier 2001-2004/5 ish P2 cars with the 163bhp D5 with less emissions controls and a manual gearbox that is supposedly a 50mpg+ car. They're slow though, the 185bhp is noticeably livelier and more refined. Also who wants to dawdle around in a slow smoke belching Volvo changing their own gears?
swampy442 said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Mind you I don't really care -I filled up with 98 RON Super Plus at 45 cents/litre yesterday
Why has nobody acknowledged this fact?!BigBen said:
That would almost make a trip to Lux in the DB9 self funding. Slight snag with the 20L fuel tank or whatever stupidly small size it is (it might not be small at all it might just use fuel at a prodigious rate)
Ben
Ben
stickleback123 said:
biggbn said:
Weas said:
W00DY said:
Thanks guys, lots of good stuff there. I did like that example as I tend to think diesels like to work and miles area, but 4c shocks is probably one to avoid, although it is very close so possibly worth a look. 35mpg is a bit disappointing though. XC70 would be nice for mountain biking duites.
The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
35mpg was with lord gears, I'm sure the manual would do better on fuel.The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
It's the earlier 2001-2004/5 ish P2 cars with the 163bhp D5 with less emissions controls and a manual gearbox that is supposedly a 50mpg+ car. They're slow though, the 185bhp is noticeably livelier and more refined. Also who wants to dawdle around in a slow smoke belching Volvo changing their own gears?
LetsTryAgain said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
I'm out of touch. I think 35 mpg would be pretty extraordinary. Mind you I don't really care - I filled up with 98 RON Super Plus at 45 cents/litre yesterday.
Wasn’t he discussing the D5 specifically though? If a diesel can’t manage 35 MPG pulling a normal car around, you’ve got to wonder why anyone would buy one.
But I prefer ‘borrowing’ my elder sons 335i at present. Mental speed and 26mpg. Not a barge.
As you were.
biggbn said:
stickleback123 said:
biggbn said:
Weas said:
W00DY said:
Thanks guys, lots of good stuff there. I did like that example as I tend to think diesels like to work and miles area, but 4c shocks is probably one to avoid, although it is very close so possibly worth a look. 35mpg is a bit disappointing though. XC70 would be nice for mountain biking duites.
The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
35mpg was with lord gears, I'm sure the manual would do better on fuel.The golf is on 216k and will want a new clutch'/flywheel and probably a DPF clean in the next year as well as the belt is coming up, so don't know whether to sell it while it's working well and get something a bit bigger/more bargey or to put the money in knowing it's been good so far and 60mpg and cheap tax/insurance means it'll pay it back soon enough assuming nothing explodes soon.
It's the earlier 2001-2004/5 ish P2 cars with the 163bhp D5 with less emissions controls and a manual gearbox that is supposedly a 50mpg+ car. They're slow though, the 185bhp is noticeably livelier and more refined. Also who wants to dawdle around in a slow smoke belching Volvo changing their own gears?
Grey? Either Euro 4 163 bhp (an odd and short-lived anomaly, badged 2.4D) or Euro 4 185 bhp.
The Don of Croy said:
My P1 V70 2.4 petrol is returning 30+ in mixed motoring, nearer 37 on longer cruises, despite the inherent danger of using the AW 5 speed auto. Brilliant car and possibly the best value motor I’ve ever had.
But I prefer ‘borrowing’ my elder sons 335i at present. Mental speed and 26mpg. Not a barge.
As you were.
That's remarkable for that engine. It likes a drink.But I prefer ‘borrowing’ my elder sons 335i at present. Mental speed and 26mpg. Not a barge.
As you were.
I'll admit something shameful here; I had the later D5, in 180bhp tune, in a C70 convertible for quite a while and it was really very good. Engine refinement was poor, plenty of vibration, and I know diesel convertibles are frowned upon by anyone civilised, but with the roof down that D5 engine made an absolutely filthy five cylinder snarl with lots of turbo whooshing. I’ll go out on a limb here and say that driven hard it sounded superb. I had it remapped to 220bhp and it went well, even if it did eat two clutches, a DMF, a gearbox, and both driveshafts.
I'd have preferred a T5 petrol but they sold in tiny numbers from 2008 onwards. My P2 V70 T5 auto was capable of great economy if you drove it carefully, high 30s on a run was possibly and a low 30s mixed average. Closer to 25mpg if you used it around town and used it properly.
I'd have preferred a T5 petrol but they sold in tiny numbers from 2008 onwards. My P2 V70 T5 auto was capable of great economy if you drove it carefully, high 30s on a run was possibly and a low 30s mixed average. Closer to 25mpg if you used it around town and used it properly.
stickleback123 said:
My P2 V70 T5 auto was capable of great economy if you drove it carefully, high 30s on a run was possibly and a low 30s mixed average. Closer to 25mpg if you used it around town and used it properly.
My old P2 T5 auto had a lifetime average of 28 I think. Exactly the same as the current Lexus as a matter of fact. That's my benchmark for what is 'average'. stickleback123 said:
I'd have preferred a T5 petrol but they sold in tiny numbers from 2008 onwards. My P2 V70 T5 auto was capable of great economy if you drove it carefully, high 30s on a run was possibly and a low 30s mixed average. Closer to 25mpg if you used it around town and used it properly.
I'm on the low side of 25 on my first full tank on mine. Cruising back up the A34 after I collected it was a different matter, and in the high 30s.The iCarsoft CR Pro has arrived now.
Inside it's outer box is a branded (nylon? ) carry case which contains the CR pro itself, the OBD2 cable together with a usb cable (for the updates i'd imagine) and a little folded paper instruction leaflet.
Thinking about whether to buy the red 38 pin adapter for older Mercedes so I can plug it into the S210 as well, an extra £45 though.
Inside it's outer box is a branded (nylon? ) carry case which contains the CR pro itself, the OBD2 cable together with a usb cable (for the updates i'd imagine) and a little folded paper instruction leaflet.
Thinking about whether to buy the red 38 pin adapter for older Mercedes so I can plug it into the S210 as well, an extra £45 though.
BigBen said:
swampy442 said:
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Mind you I don't really care -I filled up with 98 RON Super Plus at 45 cents/litre yesterday
Why has nobody acknowledged this fact?!BigBen said:
That would almost make a trip to Lux in the DB9 self funding. Slight snag with the 20L fuel tank or whatever stupidly small size it is (it might not be small at all it might just use fuel at a prodigious rate)
Ben
Ben
stickleback123 said:
I'll admit something shameful here; I had the later D5, in 180bhp tune, in a C70 convertible for quite a while and it was really very good. Engine refinement was poor, plenty of vibration, and I know diesel convertibles are frowned upon by anyone civilised, but with the roof down that D5 engine made an absolutely filthy five cylinder snarl with lots of turbo whooshing. I’ll go out on a limb here and say that driven hard it sounded superb. I had it remapped to 220bhp and it went well, even if it did eat two clutches, a DMF, a gearbox, and both driveshafts.
I'd have preferred a T5 petrol but they sold in tiny numbers from 2008 onwards. My P2 V70 T5 auto was capable of great economy if you drove it carefully, high 30s on a run was possibly and a low 30s mixed average. Closer to 25mpg if you used it around town and used it properly.
I love a diesel convertible. Low down grunt suits the laid back style any convertible encourages. Shameful admission no 1078, one of my favourite cars owned out of over 200 was my 150k mile (180 when sold I think) 1.9 tdi beetle convertible. Simple, fun, comfy, so much more than a golf with an unfortunate hat on. I would have another tomorrow as a family fun car!!I'd have preferred a T5 petrol but they sold in tiny numbers from 2008 onwards. My P2 V70 T5 auto was capable of great economy if you drove it carefully, high 30s on a run was possibly and a low 30s mixed average. Closer to 25mpg if you used it around town and used it properly.
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