Ask a car salesman anything...anything at all (Vol. 2).
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f1nn said:
The Mk8 will be selling like hot cakes, make no mistake about that.
I’d have a late 7.5 personally, as the touchscreen malarkey, although I’m open to having my mind changed when I drive on, turns me off.
They are certainly not flying out the door hence VW having heavily supported finance deals in November and December ( just like at pre reg and new prices on Autotrader). Come March the first ex rental will hit the market which will knock prices further. I’d have a late 7.5 personally, as the touchscreen malarkey, although I’m open to having my mind changed when I drive on, turns me off.
The VW Golf was the third best selling car in the UK during 2020, with in excess of 35000 sold.
I’d wager this trend will continue in 2021 and beyond, all Golfs sell well.
I’m seeing lots of Mk8’s locally. I don’t doubt that VW are assisting sales to drive Volume, they did similar with the Mk7, and likely the MK6 before that.
I’d wager this trend will continue in 2021 and beyond, all Golfs sell well.
I’m seeing lots of Mk8’s locally. I don’t doubt that VW are assisting sales to drive Volume, they did similar with the Mk7, and likely the MK6 before that.
phope said:
Couple of initial chats about the Mk8 with salespeople who suggest the Mk8 is flying off forecourts during lockdown and no room to negotiate at all.
There’s loads of discounts on a new 8... https://www.autoebid.com/new-cars/Volkswagen/Golf/...I suppose it depends what you look at, but I'm not seeing the bargains now that I was a year ago. Last Christmas I came across a few pre-reg 5 Series at around £24k, haggled down a local dealer to match and picked the car up after New Year. Even newish pre-facelift 5 Series aren't that cheap now.
Interesting!
https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
jamoor said:
Interesting!
https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
A change is as good as a rest.https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
jamoor said:
Interesting!
https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
What were you right about?https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
Fast Bug said:
jamoor said:
Interesting!
https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
What were you right about?https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
They are on CarWow just like every other marque and model with dealers competing for the lowest price with some big discounts.
Edited by HTP99 on Tuesday 12th January 14:06
Fast Bug said:
jamoor said:
Interesting!
https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
What were you right about?https://www.electrive.com/2020/12/17/greenpeace-se...
If this is accurate, I love being right!
I don't remember you saying anything that is related to the link you posted? I read the link and it says more about VW not offering the same margins as they do on ICE vehicles and dealers trying to switch customers in to something that pays them more money. I agree that's not the right thing to do, and in my very humble opinion on a subject I know a little bit about, both ICE and BEV should be worth the same money to a dealer. It would stop dealerships and sales people from trying to switch a customer in to a vehicle that will earn them more money.
So the link you posted as nothing to do with you being right. Sorry
jamoor said:
Dealers aren’t going to be interested in selling evs as every one sold is a nail in the coffin of their business model.
This is one of the reasons Tesla went direct to retail.
Maybe i'm missing something but EVs still break down at the side of the road, need wipers, tyres and other consumables replacing, have recalls and failing parts like window switches, door handles, etc...there's less to go wrong but still plenty to go wrong. This is one of the reasons Tesla went direct to retail.
And much of it will probably be main dealer only for work as many small indies won't be interested or able to work on them.
Fast Bug said:
Did you miss this post Jamoor?
I don't remember you saying anything that is related to the link you posted? I read the link and it says more about VW not offering the same margins as they do on ICE vehicles and dealers trying to switch customers in to something that pays them more money. I agree that's not the right thing to do, and in my very humble opinion on a subject I know a little bit about, both ICE and BEV should be worth the same money to a dealer. It would stop dealerships and sales people from trying to switch a customer in to a vehicle that will earn them more money.
So the link you posted as nothing to do with you being right. Sorry
Well that doesn't help the dealers cause...I don't remember you saying anything that is related to the link you posted? I read the link and it says more about VW not offering the same margins as they do on ICE vehicles and dealers trying to switch customers in to something that pays them more money. I agree that's not the right thing to do, and in my very humble opinion on a subject I know a little bit about, both ICE and BEV should be worth the same money to a dealer. It would stop dealerships and sales people from trying to switch a customer in to a vehicle that will earn them more money.
So the link you posted as nothing to do with you being right. Sorry
Interested in lining their pockets over providing an excellent customer experience (an ev will be a much better experience for people whom the use case fits).
jamoor said:
Dealers aren’t going to be interested in selling evs as every one sold is a nail in the coffin of their business model.
This is one of the reasons Tesla went direct to retail.
It speaks more about the incentives offered to salespeople by the dealer networks or manufacturer. This is one of the reasons Tesla went direct to retail.
If a customer could reasonably be sold car A or car B, the salesperson is going to suggest the car that makes them more money. If VW raised incentives for their EV, you’d doubtless see the salesperson pushing that.
Don’t forget, people in sales are coin operated.
DanL said:
It speaks more about the incentives offered to salespeople by the dealer networks or manufacturer.
If a customer could reasonably be sold car A or car B, the salesperson is going to suggest the car that makes them more money. If VW raised incentives for their EV, you’d doubtless see the salesperson pushing that.
Don’t forget, people in sales are coin operated.
Yes true, flog them whatevers going isn't a good approach to business (All imo of course)If a customer could reasonably be sold car A or car B, the salesperson is going to suggest the car that makes them more money. If VW raised incentives for their EV, you’d doubtless see the salesperson pushing that.
Don’t forget, people in sales are coin operated.
Anyway I am happy to see what happens next in this dramatic change in the car industry.
We may have nio and xpeng turning up soon.
jamoor said:
Fast Bug said:
Did you miss this post Jamoor?
I don't remember you saying anything that is related to the link you posted? I read the link and it says more about VW not offering the same margins as they do on ICE vehicles and dealers trying to switch customers in to something that pays them more money. I agree that's not the right thing to do, and in my very humble opinion on a subject I know a little bit about, both ICE and BEV should be worth the same money to a dealer. It would stop dealerships and sales people from trying to switch a customer in to a vehicle that will earn them more money.
So the link you posted as nothing to do with you being right. Sorry
Well that doesn't help the dealers cause...I don't remember you saying anything that is related to the link you posted? I read the link and it says more about VW not offering the same margins as they do on ICE vehicles and dealers trying to switch customers in to something that pays them more money. I agree that's not the right thing to do, and in my very humble opinion on a subject I know a little bit about, both ICE and BEV should be worth the same money to a dealer. It would stop dealerships and sales people from trying to switch a customer in to a vehicle that will earn them more money.
So the link you posted as nothing to do with you being right. Sorry
Interested in lining their pockets over providing an excellent customer experience (an ev will be a much better experience for people whom the use case fits).
The key thing from the article is VW pay less bonus money on BEV than they do for ICE. There shouldn't be any difference in bonus money, but when margins are so slim, its natural that a dealer or sales person will try and upsell in to something that rewards them better. It doesn't matter if its VW or your shining utopia that is Tesla, the outcome will be the same. Product A earns everyone less than product B, so product B will be the one that gets pushed to the customer.
On the flip side, I have customers that think we're trying to make more money out of EV as the support is massively different. That comes from the manufacturer, not us. As long as its fit for purpose, I couldn't care less if a customer buys a diesel or an electric vehicle as long as they buy it from me
Fast Bug said:
But still not what Mystic Jamoor predicted?
The key thing from the article is VW pay less bonus money on BEV than they do for ICE. There shouldn't be any difference in bonus money, but when margins are so slim, its natural that a dealer or sales person will try and upsell in to something that rewards them better. It doesn't matter if its VW or your shining utopia that is Tesla, the outcome will be the same. Product A earns everyone less than product B, so product B will be the one that gets pushed to the customer.
On the flip side, I have customers that think we're trying to make more money out of EV as the support is massively different. That comes from the manufacturer, not us. As long as its fit for purpose, I couldn't care less if a customer buys a diesel or an electric vehicle as long as they buy it from me
Why are the bonuses less on the ID3? Is there less margin in them or something?The key thing from the article is VW pay less bonus money on BEV than they do for ICE. There shouldn't be any difference in bonus money, but when margins are so slim, its natural that a dealer or sales person will try and upsell in to something that rewards them better. It doesn't matter if its VW or your shining utopia that is Tesla, the outcome will be the same. Product A earns everyone less than product B, so product B will be the one that gets pushed to the customer.
On the flip side, I have customers that think we're trying to make more money out of EV as the support is massively different. That comes from the manufacturer, not us. As long as its fit for purpose, I couldn't care less if a customer buys a diesel or an electric vehicle as long as they buy it from me
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