Alpine A110 to be axed?

Alpine A110 to be axed?

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Fastdruid

6,337 posts

105 months

Friday 22nd May
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Prestonese said:
Fastdruid said:
To be fair, there are quite a few cars on that list which are as expensive as the Alpine. For me, I wouldn't consider the TT, Z4, Mustang, 718 Cayman/Boxster or Supra.
Well quite, starting list prices for that list are

1) £46,900
2) £50,500
3) £46,651/£44,790
4) £51,384
5) £23,530
6) £25,769
7) £47,750
8) £44,640
9) £53,325
10) £43,685

I would only really consider two on that list to be "affordable", you are after all talking twice the price of a "normal" car and close to double the UK average salary...but for arguments sake I was pretending that I would consider that affordable and that I was in the market for such a car.

I'd still pick it last.

blueg33

23,593 posts

177 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
blueg33 said:
Weird people sometimes.....

People are just weird full stop
Thats very true

Miserablegit

1,514 posts

62 months

Friday 22nd May
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Fastdruid said:
Well quite, starting list prices for that list are

1) £46,900
2) £50,500
3) £46,651/£44,790
4) £51,384
5) £23,530
6) £25,769
7) £47,750
8) £44,640
9) £53,325
10) £43,685

I would only really consider two on that list to be "affordable", you are after all talking twice the price of a "normal" car and close to double the UK average salary...but for arguments sake I was pretending that I would consider that affordable and that I was in the market for such a car.

I'd still pick it last.
So in respect of a list of cars you are not in the market for anyway you wouldn’t pick the Alpine or would pick the Alpine last because “it’s a Renault “
That is fine

Not sure you need to repeat yourself in the thread. We get it. I personally don’t have time to trawl threads of cars I’m not interested in buying. I spend too long here.

TJS10

513 posts

154 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
No! To some of us that makes the car attractive.
Apes the old A110
I appreciate not everyone likes it though
I am a fan of the old A110 and like the retro styling and DNA evident in the new model. On the flip side I don't like Marmite, others do.

If production is to cease I assume Renault, like all businesses post Covid 19, need to asses corporate viability and focus on the ongoing highest cash return for pre pandemic investment ... which isn't going to favour low volume niche cars.





kambites

58,490 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd May
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The average list price for new cars registered in the UK in 2019 was ~£35k in 2019. So whilst yes, these £50k cars are more expensive than average, it's not by an order of magnitude.

Miserablegit

1,514 posts

62 months

Friday 22nd May
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kambites said:
The average list price for new cars registered in the UK in 2019 was ~£35k in 2019. So whilst yes, these £50k cars are more expensive than average, it's not by an order of magnitude.
But I’m guessing the new cars at 35k were 4/5 seat SUV /family cars - the Alpine can’t replace a family car unles there are only 2 people in the family.

kambites

58,490 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
kambites said:
The average list price for new cars registered in the UK in 2019 was ~£35k in 2019. So whilst yes, these £50k cars are more expensive than average, it's not by an order of magnitude.
But I’m guessing the new cars at 35k were 4/5 seat SUV /family cars - the Alpine can’t replace a family car unles there are only 2 people in the family.
You think family cars have a higher average sales price than sports cars? Possible I suppose but it would surprise me.

briSk

14,263 posts

179 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
blueg33 said:
Japan, Australia etc are also right hand drive markets
Australia, yes but it seems they were not in the initial allocation of 1955 cars. Their version of the PE was not specced the same. Different wheels at the very least.
I understand Japan‘s market is LHD for foreign sports cars as one PH’er has suggested it’s some bizarre show of exclusivity to be driving a car with the wheel on the wrong side.
Yeah they drive on the left in Malta and Cyprus too but.. as you say Japan is the only other significant market and they like their porsches with the steering wheel on the left side so if you're buying something especially nitch [sic] likean Alpine there's no real need to have bothered.

________

Someone else made the point that car companies have to (or perceive that they have to) cut all the frilly bits of their firms so they don't die in the short term. and this surely is the correct answer.

________

On the sound I think they actually sound remarkably good. Far better than the blaring racket the M4 (& M2 Comp) makes for example. But I agree if it could have sounded like an M2 or #40i or 6 cyl Boxster it would have been better. but then it would have cost more and wouldn't have existed at all and you could go around in circles like that ad infinitum.


Miserablegit

1,514 posts

62 months

Friday 22nd May
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In response to Kambites:
No,
I just think ordinary cars have got very expensive these days but the price is hidden in the finance.
Don’t want to derail the thread but an average Bmw /merc is about 30k but is affordable as the manufacturers provide the pcp deals - hence an apparently expensive car is “sold” thereby inflating the average prices.

kambites

58,490 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
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Don’t want to derail the thread but an average Bmw /merc is about 30k but is affordable as the manufacturers provide the pcp deals - hence an apparently expensive car is “sold” thereby inflating the average prices.
The "average" Bmw/Merc is nowhere near £30k. More like £50k.

And yes list prices don't mean much, but surely that applies to the Alpine as well? I've no idea what sort of finance deals are available but the residuals look pretty strong so I don't see why it should be hugely expensive compared to other 2-seater sports cars or similar performance.

130R

6,141 posts

159 months

Friday 22nd May
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They have never really appealed to me to be honest but it would be a shame if they don't make them any more. It's not like there are millions of choices when it comes to sports cars compared to other segments like SUVs

cerb4.5lee

14,761 posts

133 months

Friday 22nd May
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Prestonese said:
Fastdruid said:
Ignoring that I can't afford one and it's only got two seats which would make picking two children up from school somewhat problematic, the lack of a manual option, a particularly interesting engine *and* it doesn't look particularly special combined with an outrageous price tag from a middling car manufacturer would make it a no.

Autocar have a list of 10 best affordable sports cars 2020 which it tops the list....but ignoring that I don't particularly think £50k should be considered affordable(!) I'd pick every single one of the other cars in the list over it.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best-cars/top-1...
To be fair, there are quite a few cars on that list which are as expensive as the Alpine. For me, I wouldn't consider the TT, Z4, Mustang, 718 Cayman/Boxster or Supra.
It just shows how subjective the word "sports car" is. There is only 1 proper sports car on that list of 10 cars for me...and that is the Lotus Elise.

briSk

14,263 posts

179 months

Friday 22nd May
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I just looked at that Autocar 'story'. in that context I think the A110 looks particularly attractive to be honest.
I have heard 718s that didn't sound ste. I think possibly a later PSE car. they finally made it sound a bit like a Subaru rather than a 2cv being talilgated by another 2cv.. but it still feels a bit 'morally wrong'.. :-)

Gad-Westy

10,051 posts

166 months

Friday 22nd May
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kambites said:
The "average" Bmw/Merc is nowhere near £30k. More like £50k.
Yeah, I was pretty shocked by this. My Dad bought an X3 recently. He bought used in the end but in spec'ing up a new one, he was telling me that an X3 2.0D with a handful of typical options is coming in at near £50k. That's the bottom of the range one I think. Quite an eye opener that.

Miserablegit

1,514 posts

62 months

Friday 22nd May
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kambites said:
The "average" Bmw/Merc is nowhere near £30k. More like £50k.

And yes list prices don't mean much, but surely that applies to the Alpine as well? I've no idea what sort of finance deals are available but the residuals look pretty strong so I don't see why it should be hugely expensive compared to other 2-seater sports cars or similar performance.
Sorry, the average bmw /merc is not £50k.
Majority that are seen are 1.8/ 2.0 diesel with an amg trim line.




kambites

58,490 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
Sorry, the average bmw /merc is not £50k.
Majority that are seen are 1.8/ 2.0 diesel with an amg trim line.
So given that the average car is £35k, you think the list of the average BMW or Mercedes is less than the overall car market average?

An M-Sport 320d starts at £39k these days... even a 318i SE is £34k before options.

Edited by kambites on Friday 22 May 12:49

Miserablegit

1,514 posts

62 months

Friday 22nd May
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kambites said:
So given that the average car is £35k, you think the list of the average BMW or Mercedes is less than the overall car market average?
Fact is I don’t really care.
The point was the average car price according to you is £35k and you said it wasn’t much of a stretch to £50k.
I agree but I pointed out that the average car price is likely to be based a family car as most households with one car will not have a sportscar as the only car. Hence it’s not really a stretch from £35k for most people - it’s £35k for family car and then £50k for a toy.
I would think the average price of a sportscar is, in fact, lower - based on the number of Mx5 sold - hence the stretch is 20k plus

kambites

58,490 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd May
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So your argument is basically that any two-seater should be cheaper than a four pot diesel 3-series because it's "just a toy". Good luck with that one! hehe

Miserablegit

1,514 posts

62 months

Friday 22nd May
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kambites said:
So your argument is basically that any two-seater should be cheaper than a four pot diesel 3-series because it's "just a toy". Good luck with that one! hehe
If it is possible can you explain the thought process behind that post ?

kambites

58,490 posts

174 months

Friday 22nd May
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Miserablegit said:
kambites said:
So your argument is basically that any two-seater should be cheaper than a four pot diesel 3-series because it's "just a toy". Good luck with that one! hehe
If it is possible can you explain the thought process behind that post ?
You seem to be arguing that the Alpine should cost less than the market average for all cars because "it's just a toy". To my mind that's ridiculous because "toy" type cars always have been and always will be considerably more expensive than mass-produced family transport.

As far as I can see, for what it is the Alpine is extremely well priced.