Alpine A110 to be axed?
Discussion
Fastdruid said:
Well quite, starting list prices for that list are
1) £46,900
2) £50,500
3) £46,651/£44,790
4) £51,384
5) £23,530
6) £25,769
7) £47,750
8) £44,640
9) £53,325
10) £43,685
I would only really consider two on that list to be "affordable", you are after all talking twice the price of a "normal" car and close to double the UK average salary...but for arguments sake I was pretending that I would consider that affordable and that I was in the market for such a car.
I'd still pick it last.
So in respect of a list of cars you are not in the market for anyway you wouldn’t pick the Alpine or would pick the Alpine last because “it’s a Renault “1) £46,900
2) £50,500
3) £46,651/£44,790
4) £51,384
5) £23,530
6) £25,769
7) £47,750
8) £44,640
9) £53,325
10) £43,685
I would only really consider two on that list to be "affordable", you are after all talking twice the price of a "normal" car and close to double the UK average salary...but for arguments sake I was pretending that I would consider that affordable and that I was in the market for such a car.
I'd still pick it last.
That is fine
Not sure you need to repeat yourself in the thread. We get it. I personally don’t have time to trawl threads of cars I’m not interested in buying. I spend too long here.
kambites said:
The average list price for new cars registered in the UK in 2019 was ~£35k in 2019. So whilst yes, these £50k cars are more expensive than average, it's not by an order of magnitude.
But I’m guessing the new cars at 35k were 4/5 seat SUV /family cars - the Alpine can’t replace a family car unles there are only 2 people in the family.Miserablegit said:
kambites said:
The average list price for new cars registered in the UK in 2019 was ~£35k in 2019. So whilst yes, these £50k cars are more expensive than average, it's not by an order of magnitude.
But I’m guessing the new cars at 35k were 4/5 seat SUV /family cars - the Alpine can’t replace a family car unles there are only 2 people in the family.Miserablegit said:
blueg33 said:
Japan, Australia etc are also right hand drive markets
Australia, yes but it seems they were not in the initial allocation of 1955 cars. Their version of the PE was not specced the same. Different wheels at the very least.I understand Japan‘s market is LHD for foreign sports cars as one PH’er has suggested it’s some bizarre show of exclusivity to be driving a car with the wheel on the wrong side.
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Someone else made the point that car companies have to (or perceive that they have to) cut all the frilly bits of their firms so they don't die in the short term. and this surely is the correct answer.
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On the sound I think they actually sound remarkably good. Far better than the blaring racket the M4 (& M2 Comp) makes for example. But I agree if it could have sounded like an M2 or #40i or 6 cyl Boxster it would have been better. but then it would have cost more and wouldn't have existed at all and you could go around in circles like that ad infinitum.
In response to Kambites:
No,
I just think ordinary cars have got very expensive these days but the price is hidden in the finance.
Don’t want to derail the thread but an average Bmw /merc is about 30k but is affordable as the manufacturers provide the pcp deals - hence an apparently expensive car is “sold” thereby inflating the average prices.
No,
I just think ordinary cars have got very expensive these days but the price is hidden in the finance.
Don’t want to derail the thread but an average Bmw /merc is about 30k but is affordable as the manufacturers provide the pcp deals - hence an apparently expensive car is “sold” thereby inflating the average prices.
Miserablegit said:
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Don’t want to derail the thread but an average Bmw /merc is about 30k but is affordable as the manufacturers provide the pcp deals - hence an apparently expensive car is “sold” thereby inflating the average prices.
The "average" Bmw/Merc is nowhere near £30k. More like £50k. Don’t want to derail the thread but an average Bmw /merc is about 30k but is affordable as the manufacturers provide the pcp deals - hence an apparently expensive car is “sold” thereby inflating the average prices.
And yes list prices don't mean much, but surely that applies to the Alpine as well? I've no idea what sort of finance deals are available but the residuals look pretty strong so I don't see why it should be hugely expensive compared to other 2-seater sports cars or similar performance.
Prestonese said:
Fastdruid said:
Ignoring that I can't afford one and it's only got two seats which would make picking two children up from school somewhat problematic, the lack of a manual option, a particularly interesting engine *and* it doesn't look particularly special combined with an outrageous price tag from a middling car manufacturer would make it a no.
Autocar have a list of 10 best affordable sports cars 2020 which it tops the list....but ignoring that I don't particularly think £50k should be considered affordable(!) I'd pick every single one of the other cars in the list over it.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best-cars/top-1...
To be fair, there are quite a few cars on that list which are as expensive as the Alpine. For me, I wouldn't consider the TT, Z4, Mustang, 718 Cayman/Boxster or Supra.Autocar have a list of 10 best affordable sports cars 2020 which it tops the list....but ignoring that I don't particularly think £50k should be considered affordable(!) I'd pick every single one of the other cars in the list over it.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/best-cars/top-1...
I just looked at that Autocar 'story'. in that context I think the A110 looks particularly attractive to be honest.
I have heard 718s that didn't sound s
te. I think possibly a later PSE car. they finally made it sound a bit like a Subaru rather than a 2cv being talilgated by another 2cv.. but it still feels a bit 'morally wrong'.. :-)
I have heard 718s that didn't sound s
te. I think possibly a later PSE car. they finally made it sound a bit like a Subaru rather than a 2cv being talilgated by another 2cv.. but it still feels a bit 'morally wrong'.. :-)kambites said:
The "average" Bmw/Merc is nowhere near £30k. More like £50k.
Yeah, I was pretty shocked by this. My Dad bought an X3 recently. He bought used in the end but in spec'ing up a new one, he was telling me that an X3 2.0D with a handful of typical options is coming in at near £50k. That's the bottom of the range one I think. Quite an eye opener that. kambites said:
The "average" Bmw/Merc is nowhere near £30k. More like £50k.
And yes list prices don't mean much, but surely that applies to the Alpine as well? I've no idea what sort of finance deals are available but the residuals look pretty strong so I don't see why it should be hugely expensive compared to other 2-seater sports cars or similar performance.
Sorry, the average bmw /merc is not £50k.And yes list prices don't mean much, but surely that applies to the Alpine as well? I've no idea what sort of finance deals are available but the residuals look pretty strong so I don't see why it should be hugely expensive compared to other 2-seater sports cars or similar performance.
Majority that are seen are 1.8/ 2.0 diesel with an amg trim line.
Miserablegit said:
Sorry, the average bmw /merc is not £50k.
Majority that are seen are 1.8/ 2.0 diesel with an amg trim line.
So given that the average car is £35k, you think the list of the average BMW or Mercedes is less than the overall car market average?Majority that are seen are 1.8/ 2.0 diesel with an amg trim line.
An M-Sport 320d starts at £39k these days... even a 318i SE is £34k before options.
Edited by kambites on Friday 22 May 12:49
kambites said:
So given that the average car is £35k, you think the list of the average BMW or Mercedes is less than the overall car market average?
Fact is I don’t really care.The point was the average car price according to you is £35k and you said it wasn’t much of a stretch to £50k.
I agree but I pointed out that the average car price is likely to be based a family car as most households with one car will not have a sportscar as the only car. Hence it’s not really a stretch from £35k for most people - it’s £35k for family car and then £50k for a toy.
I would think the average price of a sportscar is, in fact, lower - based on the number of Mx5 sold - hence the stretch is 20k plus
Miserablegit said:
kambites said:
So your argument is basically that any two-seater should be cheaper than a four pot diesel 3-series because it's "just a toy". Good luck with that one! 
If it is possible can you explain the thought process behind that post ?As far as I can see, for what it is the Alpine is extremely well priced.
kambites said:
You seem to be arguing that the Alpine should cost less than the market average for all cars because "it's just a toy". To my mind that's ridiculous because "toy" type cars always have been and always will be considerably more expensive than mass-produced family transport.
As far as I can see, for what it is the Alpine is extremely well priced.
I honestly don’t see how you can have got that from my posts at all. I think the Alpine is very good value.As far as I can see, for what it is the Alpine is extremely well priced.
Miserablegit said:
I honestly don’t see how you can have got that from my posts at all. I think the Alpine is very good value.
Sorry I thought you were objecting to it being called "affordable". My point was that for a normal car it would be pretty affordable. Not cheap, but certianly not expensive either; for a toy it's extremely affordable. Gassing Station | Alpine | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff